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Brexshit {P + R}

Discussion in 'SG Players Lounge' started by RobbieD_PL, Mar 31, 2017.

  1. RobbieD_PL

    RobbieD_PL Unreliable deceiver Staff Member Moderator

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    So the unelected May triggered Article 50 of the Treaty of European Union on Wednesday, Farage jizzed into his pint - as is tradition - and the EU-27 have their battle plan laid out: phased negotiations where only the EU Council determines how progress has been made. This deserves its' own thread.
     
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    RobbieD_PL Unreliable deceiver Staff Member Moderator

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    The UK is challenging the US for the international cup of stupidity. Electing Trump was a strong move. I predict it will take a few years for the winner to become clear.
     
  5. Sir Didier Drogba

    Sir Didier Drogba Head Official Staff Member Super Moderator

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    Whilst obviously Brexit is hugely negative and costly to me personally, i am starting to come round to the opinion that it may actually be the right thing for the country in the longrun. I have long despised the procedures and attitudes of the EU institutions, but for a long while i thought it was still better to be in than out, and that as we become relatively more powerful compared with France and Germany, we might have been able to change things from the inside. i was devastated when brexit happend, it has already cost me directly thousands of pounds and will cost me thousands more, plus countless restricted opportunities. However, the appallingly negative and uncooperative attitdue of the eu, their desire to cut off their nose to spite their face and their generally acting like a totalitarian cabal, deliberately making this confrontational, has led me to believe that actually it can be only be good that we are breaking away from these awful people. It's like leaving Scientology.

    May is a good leader. Criticising her for being unelected shows a lack of understanding of the british parliamentary system. I don't like her refusal to compromise, but i do believe she has a well thought through plan and i admire her for keeping her cards close to her chest and resisting the temptation to play to the press. i HATE the freedom of movement red line, but that's not just her.
     
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    The descriptions and the point of view are beautiful
     
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    May must have been elected or she wouldn't hold a seat in parliament in order to become PM, right?
     
  8. RobbieD_PL

    RobbieD_PL Unreliable deceiver Staff Member Moderator

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    She's been an MP for Maidenhead since 1997. But she became leader after Cameron resigned following the referendum result. She triggered Article 50, then a month later calls a general election after stating that none would take place before 2020.
     
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    Nonetheless, she is the duly elected leader of her party that makes her PM, right?

    Not that I agree with or like what she does, but to call her "unelected" is simply untrue.
     
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    RobbieD_PL Unreliable deceiver Staff Member Moderator

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    I wasn't questioning the fact that she's an elected member of parliament.
     
  11. Sir Didier Drogba

    Sir Didier Drogba Head Official Staff Member Super Moderator

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    hahahahaha Robbie is criticising her for being 'unelected' and now is criticising her for calling an election.... someone is a bit biased maybe? ;)

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    RobbieD_PL Unreliable deceiver Staff Member Moderator

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    Well no, I'm criticizing her for her back tracking. I meant, in that first post, that she wasn't elected to the position of PM in an election, on a platform of what Brexit is meant to look like. Cameron was elected, on the promise of both the referendum and the "renegotiation"; both of those were simply major cock-ups; then he jumped ship, as well as all the other Leave big-wigs. Gove, Johnson, all the big Leave faces with no bollocks to see it through as PM?
     
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    Sir Didier Drogba Head Official Staff Member Super Moderator

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    a) as Jack and I explained to you, the british parliamentary system involves electing a party and not an individual, whether the party then changes leader is largely irrelevant in terms of legitimacy. As Jack explained, the only people who put a cross by the name 'David Cameron' in 2015 are the citizens of his constituency, electing him as their MP, just as the citizens in May's constituency did for her.
    b) like her or not, it is clever politics on May's behalf (and also amazing that she managed to keep it such a surprise in this era of leaks). As I already said, in Britain we vote for a party, not an individual, and we give that party a mandate based on their manifesto. May must have felt that because of the debates over brexit, it was not longer tenable to govern under the old mandate and is seeking a new one FOR THE PARTY. it's amusing that like many supposed feminist men Robbie can't stand it when a woman actually gains power and has to question her legitimacy.
    c) I think it was reasonable for Cameron to step down - how could he lead the negotiations for a brexit he so heavily opposed? The fact that Europe couldn't concede just the little bit more in those renegotiations you mention when it would have made all the difference is further evidence that they are complicit in the brexit decision.
    d) your last point about leavers "bottling" it shows as much ignorance as the rest of your statements. what they are guilty of is ruthlessness, not cowardice. A tiny bit of research would show you that Gove DID stand for the leadership (alongside another brexiteer Leadsom) and they lost, and all evidence shows Johnson bitterly wanted to stand but stood aside so as not to divide the 'out' tory vote. the only problem was that gove was the less popular man and, but his egotism and selfishness clouded his judgement.

    Robbie is what happens when someone informs himself and tskes his opinions solely via links which pop up on his europhile Facebook news feed.

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    Sir Didier Drogba Head Official Staff Member Super Moderator

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    this election does however raise one interesting question - if the SNP hold their position in Scotland and 'the 48%' (remain voters) move en masse to the now fully anti-Brexit lib dems so that the conservatives fail to win a majority, is it possible that a highly precarious Lib-Lab-snp coalition be formed to stall brexit or make it ultra soft (eg join EEA)?

    this seems unlikely for two reasons - a) the SNP leaders may secretly want brexit as it gives excuse for second independence referendum and may therfore refuse to play ball under guise of not working with English parties b) labour key seats and targets are also heavily pro brexit and Corbyn only seems to energize people who don't actually vote, so even if the lib dems make gains and snp hold, labour losses could still hand the tories a majority. However, if this general election really is seen by the public as 'brexit referendum part 2', then there may just be potential for a surprise.

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    RobbieD_PL Unreliable deceiver Staff Member Moderator

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    Hasn't Corbyn ruled out a coalition with the Lib Dems? The SNP will take up any opportunity to keep the Tories out. Sturgeon knows what she's got with May playing hard-ball on indyref2. The European Parliament's President said that if there's a change in the govt from the General Election, the new PM can go ahead and cancel Article 50. https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ll-welcome-britain-back-if-voters-veto-brexit
     
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    with the SNP they love a tory government - it's their best shot at generating anti-English feeling and firing a referendum. Cameron was God's gift to SNP - an English tory old Etonian toff lording it over Scotland - and that's why they pushed it closer than predictions. Imagine what would have happened if prudent Scot Gordon Brown had still been in charge.

    Corbyn says that but since the choice he would likely face is coalition or resign (at best, it will probably just be 'resign') and every indication shows he wants to stay in charge no matter what, i think it's plausible. He's just saying that now so labour and libs aren't viewed as the same option.

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    RobbieD_PL Unreliable deceiver Staff Member Moderator

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    hahahaha, Farage is soooooooooooooooo pissed off about Macron winning and walking out to his victory speech to Ode to Joy.
     
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    Sir Didier Drogba Head Official Staff Member Super Moderator

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    fuck le pen

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    And the Australian system is the same in any case. Robbie is being difficult, suggesting that as she wasn't leader of the party at the last election, she wasn't elected. But if the British people voted for the leader, not the party (or their local rep), it just shows they don't understand their own system.
     
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    Sir Didier Drogba Head Official Staff Member Super Moderator

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    to be fair to Robbie it must be hard to properly delve deep into politics whilst masturbating violently into an envelope with a carrot up his ass

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