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Davilton

Guest
Re: Re: We're ALL related to the Queen?? Hahahaha

Originally posted by Elder

you are typing this on a soccer VIDEO GAME website board. You're a moron.

No, I'm associating with morons. :) Your point would be valid, if I hadn't spent years educating myself, and learning to think for myself...

Good response though. :)

/Edit/

Before you take offense, I'm not referring to you as a moron... you might have seen that thread yesterday. All good entertainment.

/Edit
 
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Davilton

Guest
Re: Re: Re: Re: We're ALL related to the Queen?? Hahahaha

Originally posted by Elder
It's all good. This whole thing is entertainment, no matter how "serious" we all try to be. I just like the big words he used. I am smarter today because of them.

;)

We should all try to better ourselves- what's wrong with that?
 

Elder

Starting XI
Originally posted by Pontiakos
posting a web page that reproduces other people's opinions doesn't answer my question elder.....I could have looked that up myself....I want you to tell me why....

Try to ignoe the opinion part of the site and focus on the commercials and fact based material on how the PA has used the media and school to foster the hatred of Israel.

Most Israelis don't hate Palestinians. Why is that? It probably has alot to do with education...

Either way, I could actually answer your question with a long drawn out reply, but I don't have the time. Here' a quick rundown.

- Israel founded, war, palestinians kicked out of their "land"...
- More war, arabs lose.
- More war, arabs lose again.
- Hatred, terrorism, religious zealots dominate information.
- Etc. etc.
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It's just a mess, but I think things are looking up. Maybe the Palestinians are finally fed up with the lies and BS that Arafat has fed them for so many decades. He has basically put them into a meat grinder for his own personal and political gain.
 

Pontiakos

Starting XI
Originally posted by Elder

- Israel founded, war, palestinians kicked out of their "land"...
- More war, arabs lose.
- More war, arabs lose again.



aaaaahh thank you......at least you admit the truth.....most conservatives beat around the bush (no pun intended).....
 

Elder

Starting XI
Originally posted by Pontiakos
aaaaahh thank you......at least you admit the truth.....most conservatives beat around the bush (no pun intended).....

Nah, I know the general history of what happened and who was involved, etc. The problem that the Palestinians have is not really Israel, but the corrupt Arab governments "supporting" them. They are just pawns, and it's rather sad actually.

I am not a fan of either side. I am not happy that billions of US dollars go to Israel and Egypt just to keep the "peace." However, if one side is being hit by terrorism for decades and decades, it just makes sense for Israel to be as brutal as they are.
 
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Davilton

Guest
Originally posted by Pontiakos
most conservatives beat around the bush (no pun intended).....

Quite witty though. It is Palestinian land, and the Zionists are the oppressive occupiers. You know, many Jews are against the man-made State of Israel, isn't that interesting...

I hate the globalists!
 

Elder

Starting XI
Originally posted by Davilton
Quite witty though. It is Palestinian land, and the Zionists are the oppressive occupiers. You know, many Jews are against the man-made State of Israel, isn't that interesting...

I hate the globalists!

What's funny is that Jews had been living there before there was ever a "Muslim" land... It's also funny that when the Jews started coming back in big numbers, they created much more for themselves than the Palestinians or any other people who lived there ever did. I think there is a lot of jealousy because of that.
 
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Davilton

Guest
Originally posted by Elder
What's funny is that Jews had been living there before there was ever a "Muslim" land... It's also funny that when the Jews started coming back in big numbers, they created much more for themselves than the Palestinians or any other people who lived there ever did. I think there is a lot of jealousy because of that.

In all seriousness, we are all pawns, and it would be great if mankind could evolve and stop the tribalism. We're all used by the globalists, to suit their ends. That's my point about 'entertainments', they stop people from thinking! :)
 

Pontiakos

Starting XI
Originally posted by Elder
What's funny is that Jews had been living there before there was ever a "Muslim" land... It's also funny that when the Jews started coming back in big numbers, they created much more for themselves than the Palestinians or any other people who lived there ever did. I think there is a lot of jealousy because of that.


well. if we are to believe Jewish history.....i.e. the Torah......then the jews have done nothing but imposse imperialism on the Palastenians for thousands of years....

1) you're wrong......the jews moved into Palestine thousands of years ago and had to fight the Palestinians to do so (Phillistines...Jerico etc...) so read a little more before making ignorant statements.......the Phillistinians/ Palestinians (bastardized Latin version) had lived in the land for 1000 years prior to the jews....not trying to make this personal but I hate when history is mirepressented

2)actually those that created the most for the area were the eastern Roman Empire.....and the Muslims.....I haven't seen any monuments put up by the Jews recently.....



and finally I'm quoting you on the reason why the Palestinians hate the jews....so that we are all clear...
 

Elder

Starting XI
Originally posted by Pontiakos
well. if we are to believe Jewish history.....i.e. the Torah......then the jews have done nothing but imposse imperialism on the Palastenians for thousands of years....

1) you're wrong......the jews moved into Palestine thousands of years ago and had to fight the Palestinians to do so (Phillistines...Jerico etc...) so read a little more before making ignorant statements.......the Phillistinians/ Palestinians (bastardized Latin version) had lived in the land for 1000 years prior to the jews....not trying to make this personal but I hate when history is mirepressented

2)actually those that created the most for the area were the eastern Roman Empire.....and the Muslims.....I haven't seen any monuments put up by the Jews recently.....



and finally I'm quoting you on the reason why the Palestinians hate the jews....so that we are all clear...

The word "phillistine" is just a word the Romans gave to the people of the area. If I am not mistaken, Jews also lived there, not just "palestinians." Or in what you describe as "phillistines." I am not quite sure about my history at the moment, but I think that the Assyrians, mesopotamians and the like were there before any "phillistine."

About making ignorant statements. Every people fought each other for land back then... Just because the Jews did also doesn't make them any worse than any other group of people.

In modern history, the Jews have turned that land of dirt on the med. sea into a modern, succesful state... They were able to irrigate the desert like no other people had. Thank goodness they don't need to build statues to themselves like the Romans and the Christians or the Greeks, etc etc. Thank goodness they also don't need to put up paintings of their leaders all over town, or pictures of suicide bombers on the walls of the city.
 

Yossarian

Fan Favourite
Originally posted by Elder
The word "phillistine" is just a word the Romans gave to the people of the area. If I am not mistaken, Jews also lived there, not just "palestinians." Or in what you describe as "phillistines." I am not quite sure about my history at the moment, but I think that the Assyrians, mesopotamians and the like were there before any "phillistine."

About making ignorant statements. Every people fought each other for land back then... Just because the Jews did also doesn't make them any worse than any other group of people.

In modern history, the Jews have turned that land of dirt on the med. sea into a modern, succesful state... They were able to irrigate the desert like no other people had. Thank goodness they don't need to build statues to themselves like the Romans and the Christians or the Greeks, etc etc. Thank goodness they also don't need to put up paintings of their leaders all over town, or pictures of suicide bombers on the walls of the city.




PUBLIC opinion has been led by the Zionist propaganda machine to believe that Palestine was a neglected desolate land without a people in need of a people without a country and that developments and progress were the result of Zionist Initiative. As it will be proven below, this is not true.

The Holy Land, since the Crusader genocide, has been renowned for its olive groves and olive oil industry; and long before Zionist immigration began in 1920, Palestine was known as a citrus exporting country, famous for the Jaffa Orange. It is unknown when the citrus industry was first developed in Palestine but records shows that in 1912 ¿1913, the Arabs had exported 1,608,570 cases of oranges to Europe.

As regards the hill regions, the country is covered with olive orchards, vineyards and other deciduous fruit trees; while the lands in the South were used for the cultivation of grain, and those in the Jordan Valley for the production of vegetables and fruits. Every inch of fertile soil was used to full capacity; and more and more rocky patches were being turned into orchards and groves. In that regards, its worth quoting Ahad Ha'Am, a leading Eastern European Jewish essayist who visited Palestine in 1891 for three months, when he tried to open many Jewish people eyes:

"We abroad are used to believe the Eretz Yisrael is now almost totally desolate, a desert that is not sowed ..... But in truth that is not the case. Throughout the country it is difficult to find fields that are not sowed. Only sand dunes and stony mountains .... are not cultivated." (Righteous Victims, p. 42)

Is it not ironic that Israel should today claim and take pride in the two principal agricultural industries, citrus and olives, started and developed over the centuries by the Arab victims of Israeli aggression?

Following is a list showing the major crops of Palestine before 1947 and the portion produced by Jews:

Citrus

The total area planted with citrus before the British mandated terminated was 281,448 dunums, (1 dunum = 1,000 sq. meters) of which 139,728 dunums were owned by the Jews.

The export of oranges was as follows: -

Period Orange boxes exported*
1908 - 1909 744,463
1910 - 1911 869,850
1912 - 1913 1,608,570
1938 - 1939 16,000,000

* A box of citrus on average contained 144 oranges.

Olives

During the 1944 - 1945, the area of the land planted with olives was 595,405 dunums, of which the Jews owned only 7,000 dunums or less than 1.2%. In the year 1944 - 1945, the amount of olive produced was 75,341 tons. The number of fruitful olives trees was estimated to be 6,000,000 trees and each tree produces 2 kg. during the draught periods and 12 kg. in the fruitful periods, and an average of 7 kg. per year.


Source: Survey of Palestine, prepared by the British Mandate for the United Nations, p. 323-327
* Value in Palestinian Pound
** Non-citrus fruits. Note that Citrus production totaled of 248,274 dunums of which 120,897 dunums were Jewish owned (Supplement to Survey of Palestine, p. 37)

Demographic Makeup & Land Ownership in 1947

At the end of World War I, Palestine was an Arab country similar to other parts of the Arab World. It had a population of of 657,000 Muslim Arabs, 81,000 Christian Arabs, and 59,000 Jews (including many European Jews from the first and second Aliyah). So the Jewish population of Palestine in 1914 made up under 8% of the total population (Righteous Victims, p. 83). It should noted that most Palestinian Jews (Yishuv) at the time where mostly Hasidic Jews concentrating in and around Jerusalem, Safad, and Jaffa, and only 12,000 of these Jews lived on the land as farmers.

The number of Jewish colonies in Palestine in 1914 was 47 colonies distributed as follows:

Region No. of Zionist Colonies
Coastal Plain 22
Marj Bin Amir 1
Al Ghoar / Beisan Valley 6
Northern Galilee & Houleh 5
Southern Plain 7
Jerusalem Mountains 2
Careml or Haifa 4
Total 47

This is against a total number of 21 cities and 949 towns and villages in the Arab area distributed as follows:

District No. of Cities No. of Villages Total
Galilee 5 198 203
Haifa 1 52 53
Nablus 4 270 274
Jaffa 3 93 96
Jerusalem 5 272 277
Gaza 3 64 67
Total 21 949 970


As of 1918, Jewish land holdings amounted to 162,500 acres out of a total of 6,674,560 acres which is the total area of Palestine (27,009 Sq. Km.). This is equivalent to 2.4% of the total land area of Palestine. These consisted of holdings partly in the principal towns and partly in 47 Jewish settlements in different parts of the country. When the British mandate was terminated in 1948 and the Jewish state came into existence, Jewish land holdings had increased to only 372,925 acres or 5.6% of the total land area of Palestine of 6,674,560 acres still an insignificant figure to justify the Israeli usurpation of Palestine. On the other hand, the Jewish population in Palestine jumped to 500,000 out of 1,700,000 (the total population of Palestine in 1948), which is still less than 30% of the total population of the country.



Population
Land Ownership (acres)

Arabs Jewish Arabs Jewish
1917 738,000 59,00 6,512,060 162,500
92% 8% 97.6% 2.4%
1947 1,200,000 500,000 6,296,112 378,448
70% 30% 94.33% 5.67%




Rewrite history, spread gross lies, force poor folks to leave their homeland by ways of slaughtering them, liquidating their monetary and land wealth and also by making them sign deportation and deposition papers under duress and extreme hardship....*sigh*
 

Pontiakos

Starting XI
Originally posted by Elder


sit down my son....


The word "phillistine" is just a word the Romans gave to the people of the area.

Nooooo......palestinian....is the word the Romans gave them (as is well documented ancient latin had difficulty pronouncing -F- properly so all -Fs- were turned to Ps......Phillistine is what they called themselves....


If I am not mistaken, Jews also lived there, not just "palestinians." Or in what you describe as "phillistines." I am not quite sure about my history at the moment, but I think that the Assyrians, mesopotamians and the like were there before any "phillistine."

You are mistaken ....all of the above were occupiers.....on the coast line...the most ancient civilizations were the Phillistinioi(Greek....)in the south (palestine=Phillistine) Palestinians(latin) and the Phoenikioi..(Greek).....Punician...(Latin)....in the North (Punicia....the Punic wars etc., Carthrage was a colony of Phoenicia) .....the two civilizations battled each other extensevly, were weakened and conquered by the Assyrians (at first)....the Phoenicians being more apt sailors fled......the Phillistines lived under occupation and every so often revolted....

the jews were still a twinkle in the eye of Abraham(j/k).....when all this was going on.....


About making ignorant statements. Every people fought each other for land back then... Just because the Jews did also doesn't make them any worse than any other group of people.

....that's right....it doesn't make them any hollier either...and certainly doesn't make them just

In modern history, the Jews have turned that land of dirt on the med. sea into a modern, succesful state... They were able to irrigate the desert like no other people had.

Actually irrigation was a gift of the Egyptians to the world....they irrigated the dessert like no one else in the world....6,000 year prior to any "Israeli" state

Thank goodness they don't need to build statues to themselves like the Romans and the Christians or the Greeks, etc etc.

...there you go again with ignorance.....first off ...the Jews had a Temple to God which they turned by themselves into a market place prior to its final destruction......

second.......read about Greek and Roman art....before ...making such ignorant statements you will find that Greek art worships the ideal "human being" not itself.....and Roman.....well I can't really fault you ....Roman art was obsessed with its leaders...


Thank goodness they also don't need to put up paintings of their leaders all over town, or pictures of suicide bombers on the walls of the city.


.....yeah thank goodness they put up the picture of Sharon.......oh wait he's a leader and a mass murderer all wrapped into one package.....
 

rhizome17

Fan Favourite
Originally posted by Elder


In regards to your sticking up for twisted regimes, you start a conversation about Israel...


Because any discussion of the middle east can never be complete without mentioning Israel. Everything you say about the Palestinians (corruption, terrorism etc.) can be equally applied to Israel. End of story. Even the Israeli courts know this... Sharon has been charged with corruption, and was found guilty of mass slaughter from his time in the army.

Pointing out things such as this DOES NOT equate to supporting one regime or another. Things are not black and white.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
To the Greek Guy:

The Jews came into the land currently known as Isreal something like 1000 years before Christ. At the time the only people living there were pagan fertility cults; NOT the muslims that you say. Mohammad died in 632 AD, and his religion was spread after that quickly as far as Spain in the West and China in the East. The fertility cults of the Middle East were replaced with Islam (and also Juddaism before that); THAT is how Islam came to the land currently known as Isreal. If you want to get historic about it, the Jews have the right to the land as no direct descendants of the Early fertility cults exist today. I don't think we should go back that far though, and I think it's a no brainer that Isreal's founding was unfair.

To my best friend Davilton:

There is no proof that Kerry masturbated in coffins and worshiped owls as you seem to believe is 100% truth. Yeah, that seems believable. The United States has been controlled by Britian since it was founded? Is that why we invaded Canada and tried to take it from Britian in 1812? Dude honestly, you need to stop trusting complete morons and conspiracy theorists. I mean, come on dude, some of the stuff you've posted is the most idiotic stuff I've ever heard. Another example: The new metrosexual trend is due to females urinating into the water supply and their estrogen is going to everyone. Of course I'm sure that this is 100% true, but people like you and those who read that trash are completely immune to the effects and that's why you're so manly as opposed to the rest of the western world.

You educated yourself, that is probably the best arguement against educating oneself. And you made a crack at me for watching Fox News. Kid, I think it's pretty evident that I don't take it very seriously or conform to its agenda.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Also, there is definitely a lot of miseducation happening in the Middle East against Isreal and a lot of the hatred people have has been with them since they were 2. There is some brainwashing going on in nations such as Egypt and that's definitely true.
 


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