Community of Editors - A list of cooperative patchmakers

[RobbieD_PL]

That's why they are crediting you to show you respect and clear up any confusion about who created the patch or what role they played in it's creation.

While it's your choice what is done with your patches, I feel it is counterproductive to make people jump through hoops just to use a kit (for example) with credit given to the author.

Well like I wrote before; If people care about their work being used, they'll stick around to wait for someone to ask.

 

[ATE87]

agree

 

[mrliioadin]

Well like I wrote before; If people care about their work being used, they'll stick around to wait for someone to ask.

That's a bit universal, you can't speak for everyone. I care about my work being used but I'm just as happy to find out several months later that I had a part in a patch as I am when someone first asks.

Like I didn't know a few of my rosters were used for the '08 world national patch. I was glad to see that my work had helped someone out.

 

[cmc211]

I totally agree!
But we should follow the basic rules.

 

[myx]

thats stupid of ASKING other people let their creations be used....

For that arrogantic desicions, people wont make FIFA a powerful game and never will create strong community.

What will happen if i make super patch and do not ask you for permission but credit the authors?

What?

The Earth will blow? Your PC will blow?

Nothing will happen. If you here to make something userful to people - dont be arrogantic and let everyone make powerful patches.

Peace,
Myx

 

[Outsider 87]

thats stupid of ASKING other people let their creations be used....

For that arrogantic desicions, people wont make FIFA a powerful game and never will create strong community.

What will happen if i make super patch and do not ask you for permission but credit the authors?

What?

The Earth will blow? Your PC will blow?

Nothing will happen. If you here to make something userful to people - dont be arrogantic and let everyone make powerful patches.

Peace,
Myx

Do you live in an ideal world or what?
The thing that you don't understand is that there is a lot of difference from taking a kit or a face from a soccergaming member and taking the work of a website member like me or other people here... The world and also this world is made of competition because editers that have a site and pay to have a site (if you don't know, fifamania webmaster pays for our server and so on) wants to see that their creations are not only appreciated by the fifaweb, but also that their site becomes more and more popular. And to become popular they have to make exclusive things that cannot be inserted in other patches. This mainly because if I make a thing and then, you use it in your good patch, the user will download directly your patch without downloading it from my site. But the worst is if I make a patch and you use it in a bad patch: the reputation of my patch will decrease a lot and also, for reflexive property, the reputation of my site.
This is mainly the reason why I want people to ask me for the use of any of my patch: because I have to know if their project is good and if there are some advantages not only for me but also for the site to let them use it. For example I have given the possibility to everyone that asked me to use my Sky Patch. On the other side, for the moment, I have not given to NO one the possibility to use my cinematics patch because it's something new, never made before in such a proportion: and so, for some time, it has to be a fifamania exclusive that we can use in our patches, but not in yours. However I have made a light version of cinematics patch (with only some bug corrections) for a Robbie_PL patch because he asked me for and because I know him very well and I know how many time and effort he puts in his work This is the only way we have to guarantee downloads and popularity given that we don't ask users to pay for our creations and we don't gain any license for them.
This is my opinion on this matter and I think it can be shared by some others members who are part of a good website: I give things if you ask me for them. In the real world nobody uses other people things without asking, right? This is the same
As I respect people who share their creations without any problem, you have to respect me for my opinion about this

 

[billy_d04nk5]

hmm,,, I think it's always about the way you Appreciate somebody for their Talent or their skills in making graphics,

for me,, All my creations are free, you don't have to ask for my permit to use them. That’s because I know that I’m not good enough in making graphics.

In the other cases, you guys, why don’t you put your name on each Graphics you’ve create. So simple isn’t it?

sometimes, some people claimed your works as their works,

why? because you didn't put your name on it,, (this is for PNG graph such as kits or faces)

I've read some cases like this in a thread,, there was a guy, claimed someones work as his work,, then the other one give him such a "nice kits"

sorry everybody,, I've to say it here,, he made a kit with "penis" on it,,


guys,, the point is,,, you have to give credits to anyone's works,, like it or not,, because when we're using someones graphics,, that person has already help us, in making something wonderful, something that people can enjoy, something that people would love,,

 

[myx]

Do you live in an ideal world or what?
The thing that you don't understand is that there is a lot of difference from taking a kit or a face from a soccergaming member and taking the work of a website member like me or other people here... The world and also this world is made of competition because editers that have a site and pay to have a site (if you don't know, fifamania webmaster pays for our server and so on) wants to see that their creations are not only appreciated by the fifaweb, but also that their site becomes more and more popular. And to become popular they have to make exclusive things that cannot be inserted in other patches. This mainly because if I make a thing and then, you use it in your good patch, the user will download directly your patch without downloading it from my site. But the worst is if I make a patch and you use it in a bad patch: the reputation of my patch will decrease a lot and also, for reflexive property, the reputation of my site.
This is mainly the reason why I want people to ask me for the use of any of my patch: because I have to know if their project is good and if there are some advantages not only for me but also for the site to let them use it. For example I have given the possibility to everyone that asked me to use my Sky Patch. On the other side, for the moment, I have not given to NO one the possibility to use my cinematics patch because it's something new, never made before in such a proportion: and so, for some time, it has to be a fifamania exclusive that we can use in our patches, but not in yours. However I have made a light version of cinematics patch (with only some bug corrections) for a Robbie_PL patch because he asked me for and because I know him very well and I know how many time and effort he puts in his work This is the only way we have to guarantee downloads and popularity given that we don't ask users to pay for our creations and we don't gain any license for them.
This is my opinion on this matter and I think it can be shared by some others members who are part of a good website: I give things if you ask me for them. In the real world nobody uses other people things without asking, right? This is the same
As I respect people who share their creations without any problem, you have to respect me for my opinion about this

So you are making money from game editing? You want to make yourself and your site famous? Not too many userful but famous.

Why are all FM editors sharing their .PSD's ? Why PES 09 could create a marvelous patch? Why FIFA got that poor quality CEP ? Why we cant have a good patch whitch includes everything we made?

Becose in the FIFA world there is too many walls and too many angry people who are selfish and never works for community...

I think best idea to ingnore that kind of people, let them work for their image and brand and money.

Do your job and be happy.

 

[Outsider 87]

So you are making money from game editing? You want to make yourself and your site famous? Not too many userful but famous.

Why are all FM editors sharing their .PSD's ? Why PES 09 could create a marvelous patch? Why FIFA got that poor quality CEP ? Why we cant have a good patch whitch includes everything we made?

Becose in the FIFA world there is too many walls and too many angry people who are selfish and never works for community...

I think best idea to ingnore that kind of people, let them work for their image and brand and money.

Do your job and be happy.

Learn to read mate. I don't make money: my webmaster pay to keep the site alive. This is perfectly the contrary.
The reason why we can't have a good world megapatch is because this thing is always organized by wrong people who don't have any idea of how such a huge thing has to be made. There are people that think to do a megapatch via .cmp and this is ridicolous. I think there should be a great collaboration among all the fifa sites that are able to make patch and that have done the history of fifa editing. Not gathering things from people who make Romanian League with an overall of 90 for all players. This is why CEP is poor: because it is made by a single person with a fantastic dream, but with no help by sites and people that can help him. And don't talk me about PES editing: the megapatch they do are, most of the time, only regional patches like fifasites do. Moreover I think most of them are simply the .iso of the game redone with the edits and this is not only heavy (5-6 gb to download) but also extremely illegal: more illegal than making a normal patch!

However I don't pretend you can understand what I'm saying: the only way to understand is to really feel the belonging to a site, to a family. And this is not something you can understand, sorry!

And most of the time famous means useful. People don't download things from famous sites only because they are famous: they download because there is quality or, at least, quantity.

 

[billy_d04nk5]

for me,, for myself,, I've never think to earn money from this,,

(my friend ever told me to make them as my job)

I don't wanna be in that way,,

I always making some graphics as my hobby,, build some relathionships with others, especially in this site,,

before I came to this site, I've never imagine that I can talk to people from other parts of the world like this...

I made graphics because I want to earn something like friendships,, not Money,,

 

[fifa_freak]

for me,, for myself,, I've never think to earn money from this,,

(my friend ever told me to make them as my job)

I don't wanna be in that way,,

I always making some graphics as my hobby,, build some relathionships with others, especially in this site,,

before I came to this site, I've never imagine that I can talk to people from other parts of the world like this...

I made graphics because I want to earn something like friendships,, not Money,,

When you're saying something like this, you're like my guide. I agree totally!

 

[billy_d04nk5]

When you're saying something like this, you're like my guide. I agree totally!

thanks man,, that's all that I have in my head..

there is one thing that always makes me happy,, checking my filefactory accounts and see how much people are downloading my patches there,, I don't care what are they using them for,,

 

[myx]

So then someone, try to organize the Mega patch?

 

[billy_d04nk5]

So then someone, try to organize the Mega patch?

mega patch? NationaL teams or some new leagues?

 

[mrliioadin]

Competition in a forum like this is counter productive. The reason compilation patches are so poor is because a league is made and not shared so it requires the new users to either exclude it or to quickly (and thus poorly) try to recreate it.

Compilation patches should be a community project with multiple versions so that the competition is between which version to use rather than creating the question of whether or not a league can be used.

Don't make users jump through hoops!

 

[billy_d04nk5]

My Asian Kits Thread is gone

 

[Outsider 87]

Competition in a forum like this is counter productive. The reason compilation patches are so poor is because a league is made and not shared so it requires the new users to either exclude it or to quickly (and thus poorly) try to recreate it.

Compilation patches should be a community project with multiple versions so that the competition is between which version to use rather than creating the question of whether or not a league can be used.

Don't make users jump through hoops!

You are right. Indeed I'm not talking about editers who edit here and show their works here. They are free to contribute to every patch they want, of course. I talk about editers (like me) that are here but also part of a website. You cannot pretend we give up our right to do our patches because of this forum patches. Moreover this forum has already proved to be a forum plenty of ingrateful people: why should I share with them my creations?

@myx: when I will see a good international project (and that possibly does not include Burundi and similar unuseful leagues) I will surely try to convince other fifamania admin to join it with our italian material. According to me a great project that insert some important minor leagues of already present leagues, that update present leagues and add the most important in a very good quality (Argentina, Greece, Romania and Russia would be enough), deserves the right to be helped if organized by someone who knows how to do things and not by someone that thinks that gathering some .cmp is enough

 

[mrliioadin]

and that possibly does not include Burundi and similar unuseful leagues

How is a burundi league or even some amateur leagues in the caribbean useless??? An entire nation follows the Burundi League!!! Dugary Ndabashinze (to name one player) got his start in the Burundi League and is now playing in the first division in Belgium!

Look, I have no interest in the Burundi League but just because you or I aren't interested in it doesn't make it useless. That's a bit arrogant. Imagine if someone called your local league useless.

Lets go at this a different way. If we were to do a compilation patch, what would it include? I would say, every league and national team that we could find BUT some standard should be applied to the attributes of the players in various leagues for one thing.

You can't go too detailed, you have to be willing to make some concessions because this isn't a full time job for anyone nor should it be.

What could we agree on that ANY compilation patch should have in it SO THAT IT IS EASY TO UPDATE AND EDIT BY USERS OR FUTURE PATCHMAKERS. If you want the compilation patch to be perfect out of the game with a ton of only the best graphics and artwork, don't bother posting imo.

 

[Outsider 87]

How is a burundi league or even some amateur leagues in the caribbean useless??? An entire nation follows the Burundi League!!! Dugary Ndabashinze (to name one player) got his start in the Burundi League and is now playing in the first division in Belgium!

Look, I have no interest in the Burundi League but just because you or I aren't interested in it doesn't make it useless. That's a bit arrogant. Imagine if someone called your local league useless.

Lets go at this a different way. If we were to do a compilation patch, what would it include? I would say, every league and national team that we could find BUT some standard should be applied to the attributes of the players in various leagues for one thing.

You can't go too detailed, you have to be willing to make some concessions because this isn't a full time job for anyone nor should it be.

What could we agree on that ANY compilation patch should have in it SO THAT IT IS EASY TO UPDATE AND EDIT BY USERS OR FUTURE PATCHMAKERS. If you want the compilation patch to be perfect out of the game with a ton of only the best graphics and artwork, don't bother posting imo.

With that sentence (provocative and I see you took my provocation) I wanted to say that if you want a stable megapatch you have not to think about adding a lot of leagues because more leagues you add more there is the danger of crashes and of not good overall. As I said before this is the problem of everyone here that wants to make a megapatch but it does not know all the problem that FIFA could have adding a lot of leagues, countries and so on. There are few people in the fifaweb that could be able to do such a megapatch. And I'm talking about megapatches, you are talking about compilation (maybe .cmp I think) and this is very different. And it is possibly more tricky because I'm very curious to see how many people are able to install the different cmp leagues properly and link all the tournaments as they should. Not talking then about problems of continuing manager mode after some years... How many editers of those who create .cmp or want to organize megapatches know that, not to have problems in manager mode, you have to create a young player for every single player you add?
If you want to do a compilation of leagues with .cmp do it, but then don't be astonished when lot of users will tell you that they are not able to continue manager mode after 2nd, 3rd year.
I think a megapatch should start with the make-up of already present leagues and with the adding of the most important leagues that most of the people wants. Then, little by little, the megapatch can be updated with new leagues but starting from good and quality basis.
Then, if you want only to play friendly matches the compilation is good But you can't really think my site or other sites could join such a ridicolous project

You are right: just because this is not a job, I don't want to waste my time to help a project where other editers don't share my vision or at least my love for a quality patch.

 

[makispla]

I agree to allow any soccergaming user to use any of my patches for whatever purpose, at any time, without asking permission, in the spirit of cooperation and with the desire for a more realistic and complete FIFA gaming experience, asking only that my contribution be credited by any who use my patch

CONGRATS LIIO