Copa America final: ARGENTINA-BRAZIL

[Axolote]

I think we just can call this Karma...i mean, 3 finals against Brasil, and 3 lost...

I remember the good old days when Brazil beat everyone but not argentina...

The good news is that we play the finals...

Brazil tactic was simple, cancel Roman and Messi...they showed team work, we didn't...

Its sad, but some 30+ players need to be replace...

 

[BRAZIL'S_#9]

wut Brazil lacked the whole tournament won the game yesterday... Double team Marking!!

 

[Lean]

Once again on the biggest stage Riquelme, Messi and Tevez showed nothing. Anyway, before i start an argument, i can say i'm very happy about the win. It does not make Dunga a tactical genius but well, his 3 DMC's and one pseudo-AMC (Baptista) scheme worked a treat against the Argies. And giving credit where credit is due, Baptista was a monster on the pitch yesterday. Easily MoM. His distribution was perfect, his goal a beauty, and he helped the defense with effectiveness.

Anyway, it was Argentina's greatest shot ever at giving us a humbling, with Dunga as a coach, and a half-decent team and you guys made nothing of it. Impressive.

 

[andy]

Once again on the biggest stage Riquelme, Messi and Tevez showed nothing.

Riquelme, most likely. Messi (maybe his first time) and Tévez probably. But hey, Robinho didn't show anything either

 

[gamerguy350]

Riquelme, most likely. Messi (maybe his first time) and Tévez probably. But hey, Robinho didn't show anything either

Yeah, but his team won.

 

[Axolote]

Once again on the biggest stage Riquelme, Messi and Tevez showed nothing. Anyway, before i start an argument, i can say i'm very happy about the win. It does not make Dunga a tactical genius but well, his 3 DMC's and one pseudo-AMC (Baptista) scheme worked a treat against the Argies. And giving credit where credit is due, Baptista was a monster on the pitch yesterday. Easily MoM. His distribution was perfect, his goal a beauty, and he helped the defense with effectiveness.

Anyway, it was Argentina's greatest shot ever at giving us a humbling, with Dunga as a coach, and a half-decent team and you guys made nothing of it. Impressive.

Ok, Brazil deserved the win...but if you look the entire tournament, i think our future is more promising...

Our team showed an idea, a plan...


We had some great games, and a terrible one...

And Riquelme, Messi and Tevez are amazing players with a lot of talent and spirit...one game doesn't describe a player...

 

[andy]

Yeah, but his team won.

Of course, no one is doubting that

 

[El Diablo Rojo]

I think Riquelme was nullified by the brazilians yesterday, however i don't really agree about Tevez and Messi, specially Tevez, because in the few occasions they got the ball they could come up with something. I think once again the players fell on the trap of relying fully on Riquelme, like it happened in against Germany but with a less favorable result this time. That's why i'm more convinced that Messi would have not changed anything there, because there and here there wasn't another plan for the attack and they kept trying with the same getting no result. Notice the similarities, Robinho didn't do anything here and back then Ballack was the one who didn't do anything.

 

[Lean]

Ok, Brazil deserved the win...but if you look the entire tournament, i think our future is more promising...

Our team showed an idea, a plan...


We had some great games, and a terrible one...

And Riquelme, Messi and Tevez are amazing players with a lot of talent and spirit...one game doesn't describe a player...

Of course, based on the players you brought up and on the players we brought up, if you put your analysis only on those players of course your team is better and more promising. But we've got a host of players coming up that will probably be starters come the 2010 WC. Also, we had no striker (Love is a striker but he's a midget, playing alone upfront, he needs someone bigger close to him).

Tevez had an ok match, Messi wasted too much time on the ball (his main problem) and lost possession way too much. Riquelme was well marked but hey, it's his job to free himself of it. Robinho opened up space, had good distribution and even though he didnt make that much of an impact, i would give him a 6 out of 10. I didnt describe the 3 players i mentioned as no-shows or chokers or anything else for that matter. I just said that once again on the biggest stage they showed nothing. The three of them are all brilliant players. I like Tevez the most, his fighting spirit is commendable.

And by the way, Robinho was the topscorer for the tournament. If he didnt show his stuff against Argentina, he showed his stuff on the tournament. Practically playing at midfield with that poor finishing of his.

 

[Num Lock]

Also to answer the PSG fan, i don't know why, but it was evident we were needing the shot which Riquelme hits the post came from a play of Messi from the wing, that pretty much says it all. And like i said in the half-time about the midfield maybe Gago and Aimar should've came in for Cambiasso and Verón.

And i don't think the back players had anything to do neither here nor in the World Cup.

i'm no coach, but every team i've seen playing with 3 holding mids, have really offensive rwb and lwb, we did during our golden era, with Liza and Tutu, you guys during the wc had Sorin, and a cb on the rb, and now you had Zanetti and a cb on the lb. it forces your team to rely on your playmaker, and forces your game to the middle.

just look at inter they sometimes played with dacourt, pat and el cuchu, but they had grosso and maicon.

although i agree you can have bad matches at the wrong side of the calendar.

 

[Diego_Armando]

We also have to consider that it was really tough game in emotional level... first the early shocker goal... and then Ayala's own goal. Those were mentally too big obstacles this time. Argentina couldn't get into their own level yesterday. They have to improve in these areas: more toughness (mentally and physically).

And Messi is just 20... people are excepting him to be "Messias" or new Maradona. Give him a break, he's just a kid!

I'm not sad that Brazil won. They're a fantastic team and football country.

 

[Dante_1901]

but if you look the entire tournament, i think our future is more promising...

Our team showed an idea, a plan...

That could be valid for teams like Colombia, Chile, even Uruguay or Mexico, you know ... teams that make a "good cup" when they reach the final and can take a second place as a positive result.

But that's not the case for Argentina, since their only plan was to win the cup ... anything else is a failure.

And now a huge problem of Argentina is when they reach the huge stage they just can't fill the expectations. And that sucks, because they were the best team in the whole cup, they showed the best game of all teams.

 

[Axolote]

That could be valid for teams like Colombia, Chile, even Uruguay or Mexico, you know ... teams that make a "good cup" when they reach the final and can take a second place as a positive result.

But that's not the case for Argentina, since their only plan was to win the cup ... anything else is a failure.

And now a huge problem of Argentina is when they reach the huge stage they just can't fill the expectations. And that sucks, because they were the best team in the whole cup, they showed the best game of all teams.

We play against Brazil...ok, no Dinho and Kaka...but still...

Brazil scored a goal in the 4th minute of the game...

And know Dunga must decide what to do with those 3 DM's...and not every team is going to attack them like we did...

 

[El Diablo Rojo]

And know Dunga must decide what to do with those 3 DM's...and not every team is going to attack them like we did...

Other than Argentina, Germany, Mexico and say France i doubt anyone else is going to.
In reality everybody seemed to go defensive or "cautious" against us until we faced Mexico.

 

[Lean]

We didnt decide to go cautious exclusively against Argentina. We were playing that DMC formation since the Ecuador match.

 

[El Diablo Rojo]

I didn't mean that Brazil was, i was just referring to the other teams we faced before the semi-finals.

 

[Lean]

Ah yea, misunderstood you there.