Creation Master Standard - What is it?

[Rinaldo]

how are stuff going ex for other things mate ? could i help you somehow?

Sure ! What about stadiums or Kit fonts ? I already asked for a support about them but I got no reply.

 

[myx]

stadiums are big deal mate...some teams use one stadium at 3 teams. i think i can do teams.

 

[Rinaldo]

stadiums are big deal mate...some teams use one stadium at 3 teams. i think i can do teams.

Bassio is already working on teams. Let's wait for his first release. If anything else is of your interest please let me know.

 

[bassio]

teams progress:

174 leagues finished now, hoping to finish the 400 on Monday.

 

[Keegan]

What would you guys want to do with regards to boots? I'm no expert, but I know a guy who knows a guy...

 

[eurique]

keeg,

i suggest that you tell the guy that you know who also seem to know another guy on the following proposition :

1) look at all the original EA boots (especially boot 0 & all the negatives), & try to replace them with maybe similar coloured boots or if this guy is more hard working, browse through the db check who (majority) wears what boot numbers & allocate a specific boot to this slot... e.g. in previous fifas, boot 2 used to be the most widely used boot, so i will use the standard adidas predators as boot 2
2) give ids to newly made boots as & when you or any of the bootmakers made a new boot... doesn't matter who makes it... as long as there's an id for them, we will know which slot to put them in

all these are a form of standardisation to make it easier to integrate the cmps like mentioned by rinaldo... e.g. you made a texture for adi f50.9 standard black... they are not in the game & i don't wanna replace it onto another boot... so i created a new boot... in cm09, it'll come as the next available slot in my fifa... for simplicity sake, let's say it's boot 1... so you bootmakers will make the call that adi f50.9 black shall be put into boot slot no.1 & evrybody (who wants their fifa to be standardised) will put this boot in slot no.1... i hope u get what i mean here...
else, if we don't do this, let's say i put it into slot 1 & another guy puts it into slot 20... both of us made a cmp patch & evry1 wants to use the patch... i gave boot 1 to player A but in the other guy's patch player A gets boot 20 cos there's where he allocated it... so when you merge the cmps... it'll be quite a mess... & to amend the dbs... it's just wa waste of time which is inefficient... ;p

& of cos, for those existing boots in the game... we know how to replace them ourselves!!!

i really do hope all these standardisation works as it'll save lotsa time for editing the dbs than palying the game!!! this comes from my experience in integrating the dbs in previous fifas which took too much of my time til i gave up... haha...

just my 2 cents...

 

[myx]

could i take balls ?

 

[RobbieD_PL]

Hi Rinaldo, I've sent the Updated National Team ID spreadsheet to your email. Let me know when/if you have received it.

 

[savuz]

So If i'm clear, there will be a list of ID's you must use for a new league or team, so we have all the same id's and not for example i'm using ID 35 for the dutch second league, but a german patchmaker is using ID35 for a German Thirth devision?
So we have to discuss which ID's we use for which country/teams? I think it's then also necesarry to discuss about the ID's for adboards, tournaments & Fonts, because i'm using new ID's for those things in a new league as well.

I'm now working on a Dutch (Holland) Second League, so if I understand it correctly, there will be a list of ID's soon and I have to chose the correct ones from the list?

 

[Rinaldo]

could i take balls ?

About balls:
with the database expansion we have 4096 balls that we can use.
Step 1) We should fill a table starting with the FIFA 09 original balls like this:

Id_Brand___Model________Colors
_1_EA______Classic______White – Blue
_5_EA______Classic______White – Blue
_6_Adidas__Pelias_______White – Grey
_7_EA______Classic______White – Blue
10_EA______Classic______White – Black
11_EA______Classic______White – Blue
14_Nike____Total_90_____Yellow - Blue
15_Nike____Total_90_____White – Red
16_Nike____Total_90_____White – Blue
17_Adidas__Fevernova____White – Yellow
18_Adidas__Etrusco______White – Black
19_Adidas__Telstar______White - Black
20_Adidas__Tango________White – Black
21_Adidas__Tricolore____White – Blue
22_Adidas__F50__________Red_– Black



Step 2) Then you could make a search of already existing balls for FIFA 07 and FIFA 08 and add a new entry in the table for them.

As a general rule: I know that there are some huge collections of balls of the same model but with a lot of different colors: in my opinion when we have assigned for or five slots of different colors for the same ball model it is enough. It is up to you to select the best ones.

We may also ask to ballmakers if they give the permission to use their ball in the CMS basic patch. If so the ball model and texture can be added to the CMS Basic Patch, otherwise we can just left only the entry in the table and nothing more.

Step 3) Last you could make a search for new Brands/Models and put a placeholder for them in the table also if the ball is not yet available for FIFA 09.

 

[Rinaldo]

What would you guys want to do with regards to boots? I'm no expert, but I know a guy who knows a guy...

What just said for balls applies also to boots: do you think you can help us ?

 

[Rinaldo]

So If i'm clear, there will be a list of ID's you must use for a new league or team, so we have all the same id's and not for example i'm using ID 35 for the dutch second league, but a german patchmaker is using ID35 for a German Thirth devision?
So we have to discuss which ID's we use for which country/teams? I think it's then also necesarry to discuss about the ID's for adboards, tournaments & Fonts, because i'm using new ID's for those things in a new league as well.

I'm now working on a Dutch (Holland) Second League, so if I understand it correctly, there will be a list of ID's soon and I have to chose the correct ones from the list?

You are correct.

 

[myx]

hmm. ill also would include this in CM like that.

Im making Lithuanian A Lyga.

And ill go to leagues and click new league. The wizard opens:

Search for leagues by CMS
O Search by Country
O Search by Continent
O Fantasy league

And it automaticly generates league ID and team IDS also

 

[skeptik]

Why don't Rinaldo create a special sites that will become the OFFICIAL CMS compatibility Admin-like websites or forum. In there, in order for the patch maker want to his/her works recognised as CMS compatible patch, he/she must register for allocated ID. And all patch that is officially (or unofficially for EA Sports) CM09 support, all will have some kind of 'EULA' kind of text informing the compatibility with existing FIFA09 and other CMSCmp leagues.
For example, say I'm creating MSL4FIFA09 patch right now. At the moment I already reserved 400 players for my league, so I should register with the sites and request for range of number that can be use. Of course, mine I'll have to create ALL of the player. Right now I already reserved 120021 - 120500 for the patch. Just to show the examples.

Others still can produce their works (it's democracy), but only CMS-CMP files will be guaranteed compatibility with CMS-CMP works that show the CMS logo. The rest will still can be use but he may override the the patch already load/imported to FIFA09

Just my thought. I now it's really though job, since we are here do this stuff voluntarily. But whatever it is, I know for sure Rinaldo CM09 and previous version too, makes FIFA series the most buy football games for pc, up-to-date.

 

[Rinaldo]

I received from Robbie an update about Countries and National Teams considering EURO 08m WC 06, Euro 04 and FIFA 02. I am now trying to figure out how to solve the ambiguities: my idea is to use the following rules:
1) Ids defined in FIFA 09 are preserved
2) If not defined in FFA 09, Ids defined in the previous versions are preserved giving priority to the most recent games.
3) fifa.db definintions take priority over the lng.db definitions.

 

[Rinaldo]

I also received from Bassio an update about Leage and Teams: huge job 4218 new teams added ! I am just reviewing it and I will post it soon.

 

[RobbieD_PL]

I received from Robbie an update about Countries and National Teams considering EURO 08m WC 06, Euro 04 and FIFA 02. I am now trying to figure out how to solve the ambiguities: my idea is to use the following rules:
1) Ids defined in FIFA 09 are preserved
2) If not defined in FFA 09, Ids defined in the previous versions are preserved giving priority to the most recent games.
3) fifa.db definintions take priority over the lng.db definitions.

I'd agree with the first one but not necessarily the other two. Unless I'm assuming that #3 only applies to team already ingame. If not please explain how you would intend to implement that point.

It would be much easier to use the ID's that are already in the various lng.db's; making it more placatable for cross-linguistic compatibility. The Euro 2008 IDs with 1118XX were only for fake versions of some teams that EA didn't bother to liscence. It's much easier when you have the realistic ID's from Euro 2004 already in each language.db.
Also, for me personally, the WC 2006 ID system seem really random and without any real order that can be followed. At least in the FIFA 02 system, you have blocs of ID's from the same confederation grouped together.

I'm just trying to make things easier for you here Rinaldo.

EDIT: Just a little mistake on my part, I typed 1235 for the ID of Belgium when it should be 1325.

 

[Rinaldo]

This is a (partial) list of jersey manufacturers used in FIFA. I think it can be used to assign Fonts identifiers:

Acerbis, Adidas, Airness, Alea, Asics, Astore, Athix, Atletica, Baliston, Bemiser, Bukta, Canterbury, Carbrini, Carlotti, Champions, Desportreino, Diadora, Doyoufootball, Duarig, Erima, Errea, Fila, Garcis, H2O, Hummel, Jako, Jartazi, Joma, Kanxa, Kappa, Klupp, kwd Sport, Lacatoni, Le Coq Sportif, Legea, Lescon, Lotto, Luanvi, Macron, Marathon, Masita, Mass, Mitre, Mizuno, Mobel, Nanque, Nike, O'Neills, Onze, Patrick, Penalty, Prostar, Puma, Re!al, Reebok, Reusch, Royal, Saller, Signia, Sport 2000, Stadium, Surridge, Swift, Tepa, Tico, Topper, Uhlsport, Umbro, Under Armour, Vandanel, Voit, Wilson, Xara

Feel free to add the missed ones

 

[Rinaldo]

I'd agree with the first one but not necessarily the other two. Unless I'm assuming that #3 only applies to team already ingame. If not please explain how you would intend to implement that point.

It would be much easier to use the ID's that are already in the various lng.db's; making it more placatable for cross-linguistic compatibility. The Euro 2008 IDs with 1118XX were only for fake versions of some teams that EA didn't bother to liscence. It's much easier when you have the realistic ID's from Euro 2004 already in each language.db.
Also, for me personally, the WC 2006 ID system seem really random and without any real order that can be followed. At least in the FIFA 02 system, you have blocs of ID's from the same confederation grouped together.

Well I have not FIFA 02, Euro 04, WC 06 nor Euro 08 so I was not aware of what you said. No doubt about we need to keep rule #1 (so Estonia must have id 208 for example). Rule #2 has the goal to potentially re-use patches (or data) coming out from an older game but it is not a must, it is just an attempt to have a rational for the job. Why don't you try to solve the ambiguities on your experience and come out with a list of National team ids that makes sense.
Reason 1 has a good reason - we

 

[Keegan]

I'll do what I can re boots - I haven't looked at the file structure/naming convention of boots in 09, but I was thinking that we could perhaps follow the brand/colour model that they have - so Boot 0 = Nike (for example) and the colours would then be the top most popular 15 for example Nike boots currently used. Boot 1 = Adidas and it follows... thoughts?