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Elder how far does Bush's dick has to be up your ass for you to realise he's f*cking you?
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Democratic Convention 2004
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Virgo
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Well you seem to be defending the Bush administration in every post you make.
being Kerry the only alternative to that of clown a president you have, and considering that anyone would probably have done a better job, I don't see what's the problem of voting for him. Even if Kerry is as bad as you say, Bush has been arguably the worst US president ever.
The point is it can't get any worse than what you have atm.
Caponedawg
Senior Squad
You don' tknow much about US Presidents then
Brondbyfan
Senior Squad
Of all the lies the right wing spews, this is the worst. Ask yourself what America is really about, and you'll see it is Bush and the neo-cons that despise America. America is about democracy, not about disenfranchising black voters and using your campaign manager/Florida secretary of state to count illegal military ballots and having your buddies in the Supreme Court install you as president. America is about rising based on your merits, not using your father's name and your grandfather's profits from trading with the Nazis to make up for your poor academic record and multiple business failures. America is about sacrificing for your country when the time comes, not about jumping over hundreds of people to get into the National Guard and then deserting. It's about caring for your fellow Americans, not shipping their jobs off to China and cutting their wages and labor rights. It's about the Bill of Rights, not the PATRIOT Act.
The flip-flopping accusations are absurd because it is an instance of the pot calling the kettle black. Bush now talks about a war on terrorism, when his family had extensive connections to the bin Ladens and are still almost indistinguishable from the largest sponsors of terrorism in the world, the Saudis. He said he would restore integrity to the White House, yet has destroyed the reputation of that office. He claimed he would catch Osama bin Laden dead or alive, and now says he doesn't think about him. He said "I'm a uniter, not a divider," now he says "you're with me or against me."
pennington10
Senior Squad
The real problem isn't with the politics but with the general public themselves. They have no clue what they want so they just sit on their thumbs and wait for one candidate to whoo them over and then after the election they just bitch about how who ever won screwed them over.
What this country really needs is a no non sense political party. One that doesn't care about getting elected but that cares in sticking with their core beliefs. I am a republican but that doesn't mean squat right now because most of the republicans in office don't even know what it means to be republican. It is better to be a loser and stand up for what you believe in than a winner and to sell out your soul and followers. I am tired of hearing about how the youth needs to be more involved in politics. We do need to be more involved but not with this crap. Not with the one unidentifiable mass blob that the current state of politics is in. Even though we may not on the surface agree on everything but most of us have the same basic view on how the country should look just different thoughts on how we should get there. It easier to negotiate with a person that has a plan and an idea than it is to send in some spineless prick who has nothing invested in the country. When I see Kerry or Bush all I see is someone who is going to leave office and be set for life. They can do whatever they want. It is worthless to have these people in charge because they don't know what it is like to live a real life. They have been rich as have most president. A real person doesn't go to an Ivy League college. A real person goes to JUCO or a state school, they have summer jobs, they know what the real world is about. If you or your family owns a yacht you have no idea what living a real life is about. We need to stop sending these ponies into office.
In all honesty, I would much rather start my own political party with people I know who have ideas, their own thoughts and nothing to lose. I would love to go to battle with a bunch of people who actually have the balls to say this needs to stop. It's not even about getting into any office rather it be a congress, senate, water board or whatever. It is about gaining a voice. Right now we are just a disembodied group with no where to go. It would be so great just to show up the political system. I mean we are younger, we are smarter, we know what to do whereas no one else seems to. Again it is not about winning but about getting politicians to stop walking all over us. They spend millions of dollars to get us to vote for them but refuse to listen to anyone under 40. It is utter rubbish.
I know it is just a pipe dream but the only hope our country has is if it were to happen.
Go Knicks. Screw Michael Jordan.
What this country really needs is a no non sense political party. One that doesn't care about getting elected but that cares in sticking with their core beliefs. I am a republican but that doesn't mean squat right now because most of the republicans in office don't even know what it means to be republican. It is better to be a loser and stand up for what you believe in than a winner and to sell out your soul and followers. I am tired of hearing about how the youth needs to be more involved in politics. We do need to be more involved but not with this crap. Not with the one unidentifiable mass blob that the current state of politics is in. Even though we may not on the surface agree on everything but most of us have the same basic view on how the country should look just different thoughts on how we should get there. It easier to negotiate with a person that has a plan and an idea than it is to send in some spineless prick who has nothing invested in the country. When I see Kerry or Bush all I see is someone who is going to leave office and be set for life. They can do whatever they want. It is worthless to have these people in charge because they don't know what it is like to live a real life. They have been rich as have most president. A real person doesn't go to an Ivy League college. A real person goes to JUCO or a state school, they have summer jobs, they know what the real world is about. If you or your family owns a yacht you have no idea what living a real life is about. We need to stop sending these ponies into office.
In all honesty, I would much rather start my own political party with people I know who have ideas, their own thoughts and nothing to lose. I would love to go to battle with a bunch of people who actually have the balls to say this needs to stop. It's not even about getting into any office rather it be a congress, senate, water board or whatever. It is about gaining a voice. Right now we are just a disembodied group with no where to go. It would be so great just to show up the political system. I mean we are younger, we are smarter, we know what to do whereas no one else seems to. Again it is not about winning but about getting politicians to stop walking all over us. They spend millions of dollars to get us to vote for them but refuse to listen to anyone under 40. It is utter rubbish.
I know it is just a pipe dream but the only hope our country has is if it were to happen.
Go Knicks. Screw Michael Jordan.
Brondbyfan
Senior Squad
Yes. I'm a Democrat, but I'll respect the Republicans who are worthy of respect. I think I could live with a Bob Dole, John McCain, Jim Jefford, or Colin Powell as president. The problem with the Republican party is that they have been invaded by the neo-conservatives, and a lot of people are too ignorant to see that these people do not represent traditional Republican values. They cut taxes but raise spending, they pander to the creepy fundamentalists, they start pre-emptive wars, they oppose states having any power because some states might go against them. I might not always agree with Republican values like fiscal conservativism, strict constructionism, and isolationism, but at least that's an ideology. The new Republicans have no ideology. They spit on federalism and "full faith and credit" with their 2000 election fiasco and homophobic crusades. They call John Kerry a "tax and spend liberal" but I don't think "don't tax and spend more" is better. I think Republicans who have any principles should stay home this election and work on getting men like McCain and Jeffords in control of the party.
pennington10
Senior Squad
McCain is not a republican and hasn't been for sometime now.
Brondbyfan
Senior Squad
How do you mean? Granted he doesn't get along with the current party leadership (after all, Rove did claim he went insane while he was a POW) but I would say he is still conservative.
Your first mistake is believing the US is a democracy. Ah, the American school education in action. Second, there was not ONE SINGLE black voter who could be found that was "disenfranchised" when the commision that was investigating all of that did it's investigation.
I beg to differ about the father part, because who you are, and who you are related to, gets you somewhere. Most Americans are only willing to sacrifice other people or their money, not their own. Look up the word "democrat" in the dictionary.
You don't know anything about the Bill of Rights. And if people in this country would like to do the jobs that the Chinese do, then let them. Problem is, they don't... so shut the **** up already and enjoy your cheap shoes.
Blah blah terrorism, blah blah. Just another Michael Moore mouthpiece that has invaded the SG forums.
Brondbyfan
Senior Squad
With regard to Bob Dole, he may be further right than Bush, but that is because the Bush administration is off the right-left scale in their own little imperialist wonderland. What I'm saying is I respect the MAN Bob Dole, even if I disagree with his policies. He got his freaking arm shot off for his country. If that man takes us to war, I know he understands the gravity of it, as does McCain or Kerry. Bush doesn't, and it shows in his handling of Iraq.
I used the term "homophobic crusade" because the fundies have led the Republicans to trample on the Constitution in order to ban gay marriage. This is an issue for the states, plain and simple. If a state decides to legalize gay marriage, or civil unions, or it is ruled that their constituion demands gay marriage, that is there decision, not that of the federal government. Moreover, if a state should so have gay unions, those unions MUST be recognized by all states. Article IV, Section 1, you will NEVER see a more black and white Constituional issue. I thought Republicans were for states' rights. At least they were when it came to subjugating black people. Just another instance of Republican flip-flopping. I quote McCain on the gay marriage amendment: "The constitutional amendment we're debating today strikes me as antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans . . . It usurps from the states a fundamental authority they have always possessed and imposes a federal remedy for a problem that most states do not believe confronts them."
As for the exporting of American Jobs, Michael Moore found plenty of people in Flint willing to work for Nike. But Bush is happy with shipping jobs overseas. More corporate profits, more campaign donations, more poor young men with no hope but the military for him to send to fight for corporations. Vicious cycle.
I used the term "homophobic crusade" because the fundies have led the Republicans to trample on the Constitution in order to ban gay marriage. This is an issue for the states, plain and simple. If a state decides to legalize gay marriage, or civil unions, or it is ruled that their constituion demands gay marriage, that is there decision, not that of the federal government. Moreover, if a state should so have gay unions, those unions MUST be recognized by all states. Article IV, Section 1, you will NEVER see a more black and white Constituional issue. I thought Republicans were for states' rights. At least they were when it came to subjugating black people. Just another instance of Republican flip-flopping. I quote McCain on the gay marriage amendment: "The constitutional amendment we're debating today strikes me as antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans . . . It usurps from the states a fundamental authority they have always possessed and imposes a federal remedy for a problem that most states do not believe confronts them."
As for the exporting of American Jobs, Michael Moore found plenty of people in Flint willing to work for Nike. But Bush is happy with shipping jobs overseas. More corporate profits, more campaign donations, more poor young men with no hope but the military for him to send to fight for corporations. Vicious cycle.
Bob Dole is just funny. But judging by what you write here, you would hate him just as much as Bush if he was in office. He believes everything Bush believes.... and further.
As for the gay marriage thing, I am with you. The problem is, proponents of gay marriage will find judges who are sympathetic with them so they can get laws passed by bypassing the legislature. There is where I have the problem. If the people in a state want gay marriage, let them vote on it. And if they lose, then they should take it as it is.
PS. Bush doesn't export jobs, companies do... That's just simple ecnomics and I don't have any problem with it. If your job isn't in demand anymore, learn new skills. That's an idea lost on many people.
Brondbyfan
Senior Squad
I would not hate Dole as much as I hate Bush. Dole would not have foolishly led us into an occupation of Iraq. GHW Bush didn't, he was shot down in WWII and so he too understands what war is like. The way the occupation of Iraq was handled - first the unnecessary war of choice, then the "war on the cheap" strategy - would only be conducted by someone who has no understanding and no compassion for the U.S. soldiers. Dumping a bunch of money into defense contractor pockets doesn't make you the party of the soldiers, protecting them does.
I detest the term "activist judges" because it was "activist judges" who decided that segregation was unconstitutional. Anyone who rails against "activist judges" had better be prepared to voice their opposition to Brown v. Board.
It is politicians who make the laws which give corporations the climate that allows them to export jobs. The government could tax the crap out of imports and nip this in the bud. I'm not going to lay the blame squarely at the feet of Republicans, I am deeply saddened that Clinton was behind NAFTA, as was Kerry. However, I'm glad that Kerry has seen that NAFTA doesn't work. You may call that flip-flopping, I call that being strong enough to admit a mistake. Shouldn't we expect that of our leaders?
I am curious what skills you think Americans should learn. Not everyone can be a doctor or lawyer. Used to be you could get a good job working in manufacturing. You could raise a family and send your kids to college on that. Now too many people buy foreign cars and you can get a Ford made in Mexico. Tech skills? Those are being shipped off to Pakistan and India, as are tech support jobs. What will be left?
I detest the term "activist judges" because it was "activist judges" who decided that segregation was unconstitutional. Anyone who rails against "activist judges" had better be prepared to voice their opposition to Brown v. Board.
It is politicians who make the laws which give corporations the climate that allows them to export jobs. The government could tax the crap out of imports and nip this in the bud. I'm not going to lay the blame squarely at the feet of Republicans, I am deeply saddened that Clinton was behind NAFTA, as was Kerry. However, I'm glad that Kerry has seen that NAFTA doesn't work. You may call that flip-flopping, I call that being strong enough to admit a mistake. Shouldn't we expect that of our leaders?
I am curious what skills you think Americans should learn. Not everyone can be a doctor or lawyer. Used to be you could get a good job working in manufacturing. You could raise a family and send your kids to college on that. Now too many people buy foreign cars and you can get a Ford made in Mexico. Tech skills? Those are being shipped off to Pakistan and India, as are tech support jobs. What will be left?
Dole is for the war... and I agree with you on the occupation part. But probably in different ways. I thikn it has been handled badly, but I also know that things are looking up in Iraq. You just don't hear about it... BUt I disagree that the war was "on the cheap." And I am sure that the name Halliburton is going to be brought up, so I will just say this now. They LOST money in Iraq. So much for "lining" the pockets so to speak.
There are activist judges. It's too bad you detest the word, beacuse they are everywhere. You might forget that it was activist judges who found segregation to be constitutional as well. It goes both ways. Just interpret the law... it's not hard!
What do you think taxing corporations for exporting jobs will do? Hmmm... raise the price of goods and services in the US? Perhaps the money they save on exporting jobs won't go towards hiring new workers within the US, or paying dividends to millions of shareholders? It's not bad that jobs are going overseas. If you only dream to be in a manufacturing job, you have problems. The US is moving towards a service industry and away from an industrial one. That is just how it is.
If Pakistanis and Indians are willing to do work for cheaper and have the same skills than a US worker, what's the problem? We live in a world economy now, again... that's just how it is. Get used to it.
PS. Kerry is only against NAFTA now because he needs the Union vote in the north. Just as Bush is for a gay marriage ban because he needs the southern vote.
Caponedawg
Senior Squad
Jeffords left the Republican Party. One thing that pisses me off about the right is that they feel they are the only ones who are Patriotic or Christian. If they are so ''pro United States'' or patriotic then they would oppose all those crap loopholes in the Patriot Act that threaten our civil liberities everyday.