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FC Barcelona - Chelsea (CL) (P+R)

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Vinnie Jones

Senior Squad
It´s not arrogance, it´s confidence. Arrogants are the ones who talk big and have nothing to back it up. He uses this kind of self centered attitude to divert attentions from his players to him since he can handle the pressure pretty well. The incident after the game is just a "fait-divers", a way to motivate the players and the fans to give Barcelona a torrid time in Stamford Bridge.

About his remarks towards Rijkaard, i´m absolutely sure that he didn´t say anything in a depreciative way. What i understood from his words was that the Barcelona coach still had to prove himself by winning a league or an european competition like himself. There´s nothing wrong with what he said, it´s a fact. He didn´t claim that he was a bad coach (ffs he is a former holland Nt coach and the current Barcelona coach), he said that he still has to achieve something with the club. It´s an interpretation problem and i do believe that some ppl here don´t have the ability to think straight because they are brainwashed and "flock like sheeps" into labelling him as arrogant, when he is just confident (anyone who saw his reaction after losing to Newcastle or when he gave a "royal" treatment to S****horpe manager can understand that).

About the tactics, i was negatively impressed with Chelsea´s first 25 minutes but i think it´s understandable to adapt such cautious and defensive attitude when you are at Nou Camp and you miss key players. This isn´t a league where you are fighting for three points, this is a competition where there are two legs and it´s only natural that you try to solve the tie in your home ground where you are favourite. You think that Barcelona wouldn´t use a defensive scheme if they played in Stamford Bridge first?
About Drogba being sent off, i don´t think it was a bookable offense. I mean cmon if we begin to book ppl for challenges like that, then obviously the games won´t finish without a sending off one player or two. In the Premiership, the referee would prolly have a word with Drogba and told him to moderate his attitude.
I doubt that Barcelona could achieve this result if Drogba wasn´t sent off. We all know how Chelsea plays when they are ahead where it´s virtually impossible to score a goal. When there was 11 vs 11, Barça wasn´t playing that great either. Even so i think it was a fair result and that we will see a better match in Stamford Bridge.

About the cheating claims, i find it amusing that english ppl always blame their defeats with "diving" accusations. I mean you lose a game because Deco or Ronaldinho "dived" once or two? No, you lose a game because you didn´t do enough to get another result. There can be external factors like bad refeering decisions(Fisk) or stupid behaviours from your own team player (Drogba), depending on your interpretation but if you lose it´s because of your team´s performance and not because of some occasional "teatrics", specially when the players who performed them didn´t get anything out of that.

Pede, i think your prejudice is affecting you. Those two average players have achieve more in their career than any Chelsea player. Paulo Ferreira has been hailed as one of the best and most consistent right backs in the premiership and yet you slag him constantly. Did you prefer Melchiot or do you want to see Glen Johnson screwing up again? Makelele is one of the best DM in the world, yet you constantly attack him. Who do you want there? Scott Parker? Just because he is english? This isn´t about nationality, this is about performing, winning and getting the job done and Paulo Ferreira and Makelele have been two of the best players in a very consistent Chelsea team , where there are no individual stars. I considered you a very balanced person with good football knowledge and usually with a good input about football matters but with some of your recent remarks, i lost some of my consideration towards you. I hope it was just the frustation of a bad night. Cheers anyways.
 

whuahu

Club Supporter
Originally posted by Rob
Away goal.

how can a loss ever be better than a draw?? whether its home or away??

even if it's 3-2 to u, u lose, if it's 2-1 to you, it goes into extra time, if it's 1-0, only then u go through. and if it's a draw, u lose again.

on the other hand it it was a 0-0 draw, u win by any scoreline u go through, it stays 0-0 then it goes into extra time.

it doesn't make any sense.
 

Dream Team

Starting XI
Originally posted by Vinnie Jones
It´s not arrogance, it´s confidence. Arrogants are the ones who talk big and have nothing to back it up. He uses this kind of self centered attitude to divert attentions from his players to him since he can handle the pressure pretty well. The incident after the game is just a "fait-divers", a way to motivate the players and the fans to give Barcelona a torrid time in Stamford Bridge.
For me his arrogance was funny and good for the spectacle, that's what I thought before yesterday's show.

He talks a lot before the game and then on the field he is a coward. After the game he ran away because he had to eat his words and the press conference would have been very shameful. The incident after the game is the dirtiest thing I've seen in a coach. He's a bad loser and a coward.


Originally posted by Vinnie Jones
You think that Barcelona wouldn´t use a defensive scheme if they played in Stamford Bridge first?
Everyone who knows Barça and their history knows the answer.

No, they wouldn't.
 

TheBlueBalla

Starting XI
People, please, lets not go crazy about media speculation. Look at Pizzagate, still dont know what happened there. I hope that all this isnt sore losership from Chelsea, but I know that this draw is a long way from over. Barca have been held scoreless before and it could (not will, but could) easily happen against a defense as solid as Chelsea's in two weeks time. I know most people are eager to knock Chelsea down, and thats natural, but I think Vinnie was spot on about how their play was yesterday. It was defensive from the get go by calculation, and after the first few minutes, it had to stay like that because Barca were looking massive on the attack.
By the way, congrats on Maxi Lopez, looks like a gem of a signing. If only he could tame that hair :crazyboy:

Forgot about that diving/cheating bit. Drogba, in my mind, made his own bed with those fouls. Absolute brain cramp on his part, but hes an agressive player. Anyway, Barca dive, Chelsea dive, Arse, ManU, Real, everyone on the bloody planet has players that go to ground when they get touched. I wish it were not the case, but blaming a loss on that is crap. If its done on all sides, the playing surface is level. Chelsea got a statistical titty twister laid on them yesterday, but they are damn lucky all things considered.
 

solaimaa

Reserve Team
Originally posted by Vinnie Jones
About the cheating claims, i find it amusing that english ppl always blame their defeats with "diving" accusations. I mean you lose a game because Deco or Ronaldinho "dived" once or two? No, you lose a game because you didn´t do enough to get another result. There can be external factors like bad refeering decisions(Fisk) or stupid behaviours from your own team player (Drogba), depending on your interpretation but if you lose it´s because of your team´s performance and not because of some occasional "teatrics", specially when the players who performed them didn´t get anything out of that.



very well put.
 

Vagegast

Banned for Life [He likes P. Diddy]
Chelsea to report 'tunnel incident'

Frank Rijkaard's discussion with Swedish referee Anders Frisk is the basis on which Chelsea will complained to UEFA.

The club refused to talk to the media after losing their Champions League first leg clash against Barcelona in the Nou Camp stadium last night.

The game was overshadowed by numerous allegations of scuffles between opposing coaches and even a kick up the backside for Mourinho during a heated discussion in the bowels of the Nou Camp.

Mourinho refused to expand on his experiences but the club did confirm that they were to protest in the strongest possible terms to UEFA.

The spark for Mourinho's latest bout of indignation is once again the Chelsea manager's abject dislike of cosy chats between match officials and opposing managers.

Last month Mourinho escaped action from the Football Association for his criticism of Neale Barry's discussion with Sir Alex Ferguson as they walked down the tunnel together at Stamford Bridge during their Carling Cup semi-final first leg.

This time the subject for his unhappiness was Frisk's discussion with Rijkaard during the interval, a chat that the Barca coach does not deny took place. But Chelsea have not complained to UEFA over suggestions that Barca's assistant coach Henk Ten Cate assaulted Mourinho with a kick on his backside during the scuffles.
Haha, legend (H)
 

Lean

Fan Favourite
Originally posted by whuahu
how can a loss ever be better than a draw?? whether its home or away??

even if it's 3-2 to u, u lose, if it's 2-1 to you, it goes into extra time, if it's 1-0, only then u go through. and if it's a draw, u lose again.

on the other hand it it was a 0-0 draw, u win by any scoreline u go through, it stays 0-0 then it goes into extra time.

it doesn't make any sense.

No mate. Let me explain something : the nil-nil draw away, is the worst result possible that you can achieve. Whilst you have to win at home by any means, the away team has an infinity of possible results, which you dont. They can get a draw with goals and get away with it, they can beat you, and they can still get a 0-0 and solve it on penalties or whatever.

Dont forget that if you concede a goal at home if the first leg was 0-0, you're pretty much screwed. And a 2-1 loss on the first leg prevents your team from getting complacent in the 2nd leg, that means Chelsea will come up with all guns firing.

I would prefer a draw away with goals than a 0-0. Plus if you are going to lose, losing only by one goal and getting one on the road is a must. Just look at Juve, lost 1-0, now to kill it on 90 mins they need to win by 2 goals. Chelsea need a 1-0, and they're pretty good at doing that.
 

faceNside

Starting XI
Chelsea tactics:

With Drogba --> 7 (defenders)- 3 (attackers)
W/o Drogba ---> 7 (defenders) - 2 (attacker)

Mourinho hardly sucks. However, 2-1 isnt a bad result for Chelsea, though its hard to get a clean sheet against Barça.
 

whuahu

Club Supporter
Originally posted by Grunger
No mate. Let me explain something : the nil-nil draw away, is the worst result possible that you can achieve. Whilst you have to win at home by any means, the away team has an infinity of possible results, which you dont. They can get a draw with goals and get away with it, they can beat you, and they can still get a 0-0 and solve it on penalties or whatever.

Dont forget that if you concede a goal at home if the first leg was 0-0, you're pretty much screwed. And a 2-1 loss on the first leg prevents your team from getting complacent in the 2nd leg, that means Chelsea will come up with all guns firing.

I would prefer a draw away with goals than a 0-0. Plus if you are going to lose, losing only by one goal and getting one on the road is a must. Just look at Juve, lost 1-0, now to kill it on 90 mins they need to win by 2 goals. Chelsea need a 1-0, and they're pretty good at doing that.

dude 0-0 away gives you an infinite number of possible results allowing you to go through, which i stated in my previous post, the 2-1 doesn't.

how are you screwed if you concede a goal at home if the first leg was 0-0? wouldn't you be even more screwed if the first leg was a 2-1 loss? because then that would mean that you've to go out and get 3 goals. or get 2 and then let extra time decide. if it was a 0-0 the 2 goals would do it.

you said you would prefer a draw away with goals rather than a 0-0. that's perfectly understandable. what is not understandable is preferring a loss to a draw, like rob here. if it was actually a preferrable result, then there would be something seriously wrong with the rules.

in juventus' case, they lost by 1-0. a 1-0 loss is definitely worse than a 2-1 loss. i think anyone has the brains to figure that out.

and i know chelsea just need a 1-0, i know theyr pretty good at doing that, and i think u should know that a 1-0 would do it even with a 0-0 draw away.
 

niceman

Senior Squad
Originally posted by Rob
Don't call me a fan boy you f*cking tool.

Y u sure look u have no objective (look it up in dictionnary) view of the game...just use ur magic skills and ban me cause i tell u the truth! ...cs KID!
 

niceman

Senior Squad
Originally posted by Rob
You wouldn't understand because you have only 1 chromosome in your head, and if you don't stop I will kill it, and thus you at the same time.


Credit to the Barca fans, civilized people and knowledgeable, as opposed to fagman.

What an ignorant we have here...:drevil: one chromosome in my head...do u even know where to find chromosomes?? How many do u have...kid u have 24 hours to look it up on the internet...lets see how many u have! We all know humans have 46! U might have 48 (my guess) as baboons!

PS r u threatening me? I mean u say u will kill me and i take that as serious allegation...just cause we r on the internet doesnt mean the law doesnt apply here!

Just keep ur name KID and u dont have answers for my question ill be happy to teach u som physiology!
 

niceman

Senior Squad
Originally posted by whuahu
how can a loss ever be better than a draw?? whether its home or away??

even if it's 3-2 to u, u lose, if it's 2-1 to you, it goes into extra time, if it's 1-0, only then u go through. and if it's a draw, u lose again.

on the other hand it it was a 0-0 draw, u win by any scoreline u go through, it stays 0-0 then it goes into extra time.

it doesn't make any sense.

It doesnt make sense but the kid is now trying to figure it out and will probably come with some lame explanation!
 

Vinnie Jones

Senior Squad
Originally posted by Dream Team
For me his arrogance was funny and good for the spectacle, that's what I thought before yesterday's show.

He talks a lot before the game and then on the field he is a coward. After the game he ran away because he had to eat his words and the press conference would have been very shameful. The incident after the game is the dirtiest thing I've seen in a coach. He's a bad loser and a coward.


Everyone who knows Barça and their history knows the answer.

No, they wouldn't.

Plz, you don´t know what you are talking about. You are speculating about something you don´t know. Btw why would he run? Is the tie over? 2-1 considering the circunstancies was a good result. There is nothing in his Chelsea career that he should be embarrassed about. He lost 2-1 (Real lost 3-0 there), so what? Barcelona still has to go to London and then we will see who has to eat their words. Mourinho was never a coward, considering he used to be Robson´s translator and now is one of the top managers in the world, you have to admit that you need alot of courage and capacity to achieve that. He is always in the frontline and willing to take the heat and the pressure for his players. All these conflicts are mainly because the press misunderstood (prolly voluntarily) his words as usual.
I didn´t imply that Barcelona is a defensive club, i said that Barcelona would prolly use a more cautious approach if the first game was played in Stamford Bridge and that´s only natural.
 

Dream Team

Starting XI
Originally posted by Vinnie Jones
Plz, you don´t know what you are talking about. You are speculating about something you don´t know. Btw why would he run? Is the tie over? 2-1 considering the circunstancies was a good result. There is nothing in his Chelsea career that he should be embarrassed about. He lost 2-1 (Real lost 3-0 there), so what? Barcelona still has to go to London and then we will see who has to eat their words. Mourinho was never a coward, considering he used to be Robson´s translator and now is one of the top managers in the world, you have to admit that you need alot of courage and capacity to achieve that. He is always in the frontline and willing to take the heat and the pressure for his players. All these conflicts are mainly because the press misunderstood (prolly voluntarily) his words as usual.
I didn´t imply that Barcelona is a defensive club, i said that Barcelona would prolly use a more cautious approach if the first game was played in Stamford Bridge and that´s only natural.
Like I said before, it was a good result for Chelsea. I don't think the tie is over at all.

If you don't speak too much before the game, you never have to eat your words. Mourinho spoke too much, as usual, about Barça, Rijkaard, etc. His arrogance is not anything that we are discovering now, so please, don't talk about missunderstoods. Mourinho was yesterday a coward not going to the press conference. I don't care if he was translator before, I'm talking about the show of yesterday. A man has to be consequent with his acts and he wasn't.


Rijkaard quote
"There were no incidents between us. I think their reaction is over the top. I was around at half time and at the end of the game and I saw nothing unusual. I think they realised that there was too much hype before the game and too much talking after it , but I'm surprised that they've come up with this now".
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
Originally posted by Grunger
No mate. Let me explain something : the nil-nil draw away, is the worst result possible that you can achieve. Whilst you have to win at home by any means, the away team has an infinity of possible results, which you dont. They can get a draw with goals and get away with it, they can beat you, and they can still get a 0-0 and solve it on penalties or whatever.

Dont forget that if you concede a goal at home if the first leg was 0-0, you're pretty much screwed. And a 2-1 loss on the first leg prevents your team from getting complacent in the 2nd leg, that means Chelsea will come up with all guns firing.

I would prefer a draw away with goals than a 0-0. Plus if you are going to lose, losing only by one goal and getting one on the road is a must. Just look at Juve, lost 1-0, now to kill it on 90 mins they need to win by 2 goals. Chelsea need a 1-0, and they're pretty good at doing that.
(Y)
 

TheBlueBalla

Starting XI
Originally posted by Dream Team
Like I said before, it was a good result for Chelsea. I don't think the tie is over at all.

If you don't speak too much before the game, you never have to eat your words. Mourinho spoke too much, as usual, about Barça, Rijkaard, etc. His arrogance is not anything that we are discovering now, so please, don't talk about missunderstoods. Mourinho was yesterday a coward not going to the press conference. I don't care if he was translator before, I'm talking about the show of yesterday. A man has to be consequent with his acts and he wasn't.


Im not trying to disagree with you DreamTeam, but I think that had Jose just stood pat, and let that Eto'o comment about Drogba stand pat, people could have interpreted that fallowness as Chelsea collapsing mentally and on the pitch (after the loss to Newcastle on sunday, many were ready to say it was the beginning of the end). Granted, Eto'o backed his words up on the pitch, Drogba fluffed a chance to hit back and then got sent off and all, and Mourinho, at least for now, looks foolish for all his talk, but knowing the size of his ego, when one of his players is dumped on like that, a good manager will try and offset that. Shame of it is that Rijkaard god dragged in, and now all this postmatch horsecrap that just sounds like sour grapes to the rest of the world.

By the way, did Eto'o actually say all the things hes been credited with (Cameroon better than Ivory Coast, mad that Chelsea didnt sign him, hes way better than Drogba, etc) cause im wary after Helguera had his words butchered to sound like an arrogant prat before the Juve game, when he was just touting confidence in his team. The other stuff, yah, he backed that up (eventhough I still think its a bit prickish and, haha, Mourinho-esqe for that matter) but trying to teach Chelsea a lesson cause they didnt buy him? Good god, theyve been linked to every above average player in the world over the last year.
 

Dream Team

Starting XI
Originally posted by TheBlueBalla
By the way, did Eto'o actually say all the things hes been credited with
I don't know, I didn't find the article in Spanish. I can image him replying the words of Mourinho about Rijkaard, but I can't image him saying "I'm better than.." unless he was joking. I don't think he's cocky, although it's not anything that bothers me, when the journalists ask him about being the top scorer he answers that it's because in Barça he has lots of chances.
 
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