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FC Barcelona Thread [2009/10]
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Pogba4Now
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Messi will never be considered as good as Maradonna until he achieves what Maradonna achieved with Argentina.
That said, he's still 22. If he continues like that then he'll definitely be considered one of the best ever.
Come on. Fat Ronaldo or Zidane or Maradonna scored better goals than that which were more important than league games against "Getafe". Goal of the century? Ridiculous.
That said, he's still 22. If he continues like that then he'll definitely be considered one of the best ever.
ArgVega;2839923 said:what you call this?
I guess this was a little cheating, the ball was glued to his foot
Come on. Fat Ronaldo or Zidane or Maradonna scored better goals than that which were more important than league games against "Getafe". Goal of the century? Ridiculous.
I think messi is over hyped, its an insult to the rest of the team. Don't get me wrong, he's a brilliant player but the power of Barcelona is in the midfield.
Messi receives the footballing talent of Xavi, Iniesta and Alves from the right side. The combination of Xavi and iniesta feeding the ball where they like destroys teams. You know there's that quote Ferguson famously said "I don't think Iniesta and Xavi have ever given the ball away in their lives."
If your asking me those are the two players to fear, more so with Iniesta, there almost telepathic but I guess that's what happens when you have been playing together since they were old enough to play 11 a side.
I think this fact is even more evident when you see how Messi plays with Argentina. Again this isn't badly, but he's a shadow of his ability compared with playing with Barca. Then compare that with Iniesta and Xavi playing for Spain, lighting Europe on fire. They make all strikers look like the 2nd coming.
Spit, a feel sick speaking so highly of barca 
If it ends up being a Barca, United final the key will be locking down the centre. I figure that's a job Fletcher and Park could pull off. Especially with Park running everything down like 3 men with that free roaming central position he's been given recently. His engine's second to non.
There again this is telepathic super heroes they will be fighting in the middle, will be a hard game for sure, especially since we havent exactly been setting the world on fire. Playing completely differently this year, things need to gel which they certainly are, but were far from a peak of ability. God know how we have managed to hold on with all the injuries this season. The teams done themselves proud.
Messi receives the footballing talent of Xavi, Iniesta and Alves from the right side. The combination of Xavi and iniesta feeding the ball where they like destroys teams. You know there's that quote Ferguson famously said "I don't think Iniesta and Xavi have ever given the ball away in their lives."
If your asking me those are the two players to fear, more so with Iniesta, there almost telepathic but I guess that's what happens when you have been playing together since they were old enough to play 11 a side.
I think this fact is even more evident when you see how Messi plays with Argentina. Again this isn't badly, but he's a shadow of his ability compared with playing with Barca. Then compare that with Iniesta and Xavi playing for Spain, lighting Europe on fire. They make all strikers look like the 2nd coming.
Spit, a feel sick speaking so highly of barca If it ends up being a Barca, United final the key will be locking down the centre. I figure that's a job Fletcher and Park could pull off. Especially with Park running everything down like 3 men with that free roaming central position he's been given recently. His engine's second to non.There again this is telepathic super heroes they will be fighting in the middle, will be a hard game for sure, especially since we havent exactly been setting the world on fire. Playing completely differently this year, things need to gel which they certainly are, but were far from a peak of ability. God know how we have managed to hold on with all the injuries this season. The teams done themselves proud.
I don't know I didn't see that game, but I am surprised. In general though, there the engine behind the team, especially Iniesta. I'm sure 70%+ of plays come from them and him. There midfeild is special and they can turn it on vs whoever the team, domestically and in Europe vs the giants. Players like Iniesta are always overshadowed, like giggs and scholes. But as I said Messi is by no means a bad player, but he's no maradona and co. Midfield is where the powers at.
Im Madridista but I have to admit, Messi has literally carried Barca over last two two weeks or so...Regardless of Messi or Iniesta. When they are bottled up, Messi still has the ability to show up by himself practically, take the ball and run at teams, and create....
That being said, I sort of agree with your analysis..Messi clearly benefits from having Iniesta and Xavi feed him...They as you said, make anyone look great
That being said, I sort of agree with your analysis..Messi clearly benefits from having Iniesta and Xavi feed him...They as you said, make anyone look great
Yeah, hes by no means a bad player. Look at Rooney, scored one less goal then messi on a more consistent basis and has carried us most of the season, doesn't make him a Maradona or the likes, or some all time great.
Is messi a great player? yes. Barcas best? well you know my thoughts there. I'll also add I think Spain and Barca have a great prospect in Bojan. 12 goals for you at 17-18 in his first season, he's going to be a cracker. There again he has had Iniesta and Xavi feeding him
Anyway enough from me, I feel sick bigging up one of our biggest rivals
Is messi a great player? yes. Barcas best? well you know my thoughts there. I'll also add I think Spain and Barca have a great prospect in Bojan. 12 goals for you at 17-18 in his first season, he's going to be a cracker. There again he has had Iniesta and Xavi feeding him
Anyway enough from me, I feel sick bigging up one of our biggest rivals
Sevillista
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Xavi and Iniesta are phenomenal, but Messi has provided the magic the past few weeks. He's scored goals from absolutely nothing. If you don't think he's the best in the world right now, you haven't been watching him play.adedawson;2840077 said:Yeah, hes by no means a bad player. Look at Rooney, scored one less goal then messi on a more consistent basis and has carried us most of the season, doesn't make him a Maradona or the likes, or some all time great.
Is messi a great player? yes. Barcas best? well you know my thoughts there. I'll also add I think Spain and Barca have a great prospect in Bojan. 12 goals for you at 17-18 in his first season, he's going to be a cracker. There again he has had Iniesta and Xavi feeding him
Anyway enough from me, I feel sick bigging up one of our biggest rivals
Well, Messi is human, isn't he?
To be honest, I think he scored most of his goals during last two weeks single handedly and out of nothing. But Barca midfield and Alves can help him alot and the combination is vital for Barca.
He scored lot's of wonder goals this season (e.g. that sexy curve). I think it was one of his best season so far, if not best. But he should show his magic in international level and specially World Cup.
There is another thing that I admire about him, the pressure and admiration just make him better not arrogant and lazy like some other players.
To be honest, I think he scored most of his goals during last two weeks single handedly and out of nothing. But Barca midfield and Alves can help him alot and the combination is vital for Barca.
He scored lot's of wonder goals this season (e.g. that sexy curve). I think it was one of his best season so far, if not best. But he should show his magic in international level and specially World Cup.
There is another thing that I admire about him, the pressure and admiration just make him better not arrogant and lazy like some other players.
Arnau
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lol Xavi and Iniesta are not the key of Messi's stunning performances, we don't play a good football just because we have that brilliant couple, we dont only play good with the ball, also without.
bellow a clear example, look how many barça players leo had in front him when recive the ball (3) and how Henry and Touré move (especially the french because Yaya did it wrong, you never have to get open to the same way that messi/theonewiththeballinthefoot is going ) to remove stuttgart defenders from Messi's way.
With Argentina, Leo recive the ball 50 meters from the box and with only 1 player in front him (Higuaín in the last matches) He is forced to do the goal against Getafe every time he touch the ball.
bellow a clear example, look how many barça players leo had in front him when recive the ball (3) and how Henry and Touré move (especially the french because Yaya did it wrong, you never have to get open to the same way that messi/theonewiththeballinthefoot is going ) to remove stuttgart defenders from Messi's way.
With Argentina, Leo recive the ball 50 meters from the box and with only 1 player in front him (Higuaín in the last matches) He is forced to do the goal against Getafe every time he touch the ball.
Sevillista;2840112 said:
I dont know how many times I have to say this lol
. He's by no means a bad player, he's is obviously one of the most talented players in the world right now. What I'm saying is this massive hype he's received based on mostly but not exclusively the last 2 weeks of performance is over the top. I.e the comments about him being Maradona or the like.
Especially when the beauty of barca comes from the midfield which is the teams strongest asset. And as I've illustrated before... look how he plays with Argentina.
Arnau
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Thats not true, the beauty of Barça comes from the positional game. We played one of our best maches this season against stuttgart without Xavi (injured) and a poor Iniesta on left wing + Messi made his best performance ever in blaugrana shirt against Zaragoza without both.
As i've tried to explain before Argentina plays something similar to catenaccio, defense close to the box and counter attack, Messi 50 meters from the box and with only Higuaín following him in attack.
As i've tried to explain before Argentina plays something similar to catenaccio, defense close to the box and counter attack, Messi 50 meters from the box and with only Higuaín following him in attack.
Arnau;2840261 said:
If you say so I'm no barca expert, but I know if we play Barca this year it will be midfield that will heap our attentions most. Its this midfielder and the team that have shown time and time again in champions league semi finals vs the big teams how its done, pass perfect.
Arnau;2840261 said:
Sorry I don't understand so why isn't he scoring goals for Argentina? Because of the team supporting him? Playing to far back?
But what do I know? I'm just a nobody football fan biased as hell. Messi may go and score a hat trick vs Arsenal, destroy whichever team comes next, then take Argentina to the world cup finals laying wake to anyone in his path. If that happens you can call him a Maradona or the likes or probably more appropriately THE MESSI.
I just don't see it happening. And I think that the best way to describe the point I'm trying to make. Your all crying wolf he's this and that before its actually happened. See how he does the rest of the season and in the world cup and over the next few years for that matter. When he's potentially won consecutive world player of the year awards etc. Then we will know what kind of player he is. Not basing your opinion of him on goals vs nothing teams.
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Arnau
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Sure it is because our football is based on the game control, and with the likes of Xavi and iniesta we have much more control, but we can also play some good football (and messi can shine) without them.
btw, I dont understan't your point of goals vs nothing teams, didn't he score in everyfinal he played besides in monaco (he did the pass)? didn't he score a hat-trick at age 19 and lot of goals against real madrid? ****, he even score a goal with the heart to win the tittle that we never win it before!
i'm Barça fan sinze i have born and i have seen the best players of the world in camp nou, but never someone like Messi. i've already write before his last 11 goals in 9 days that messi is (or will be) the best (and the most decisive) player ever. Football's Jordan. I'm still thinking the WC its going to be Argentina vs spain.
btw, I dont understan't your point of goals vs nothing teams, didn't he score in everyfinal he played besides in monaco (he did the pass)? didn't he score a hat-trick at age 19 and lot of goals against real madrid? ****, he even score a goal with the heart to win the tittle that we never win it before!
i'm Barça fan sinze i have born and i have seen the best players of the world in camp nou, but never someone like Messi. i've already write before his last 11 goals in 9 days that messi is (or will be) the best (and the most decisive) player ever. Football's Jordan. I'm still thinking the WC its going to be Argentina vs spain.
Well, I actually enjoyed this match because that was close and Barca worked hard to win the match.
Lot's of credit to Pep Guardiola for his fantastic substitutions (He defeated his old sensi, Antonio Camacho).
I think he overuses Messi (he was so tired and nervous at the end, the ref was on his nerve as well),he could replace Messi after the first goal or later one. I think it was better for him to keep Ibra in a field so maybe he could score more which was better for his morale.
But again Bojan came and scored, which is fantastic as well. I'm so happy that both Bojan and Ibra scored tonight.
Iniesta didn't play good in a first half but he raised his game and was undoubtedly man of the match in the second half. he combined with other players very well and made two assists, fantastic and genius game by him in the second half. Yaya Toure played a good match as well, he was so motivated. It's time for Pep to use him more (instead of Bosquets).
By the way, I didn't like Ibra and Henry gestures on the bench. They were far from each other and didn't celebrate the second goal (just compare it to Dinho/Eto'o reactions and energy when they were on the bench).
Essential win (I'm happy to start my day like this), I hope Madrid drops some points tomorrow and this weekend.
Lot's of credit to Pep Guardiola for his fantastic substitutions (He defeated his old sensi, Antonio Camacho).
I think he overuses Messi (he was so tired and nervous at the end, the ref was on his nerve as well),he could replace Messi after the first goal or later one. I think it was better for him to keep Ibra in a field so maybe he could score more which was better for his morale.
But again Bojan came and scored, which is fantastic as well. I'm so happy that both Bojan and Ibra scored tonight.
Iniesta didn't play good in a first half but he raised his game and was undoubtedly man of the match in the second half. he combined with other players very well and made two assists, fantastic and genius game by him in the second half. Yaya Toure played a good match as well, he was so motivated. It's time for Pep to use him more (instead of Bosquets).
By the way, I didn't like Ibra and Henry gestures on the bench. They were far from each other and didn't celebrate the second goal (just compare it to Dinho/Eto'o reactions and energy when they were on the bench).
Essential win (I'm happy to start my day like this), I hope Madrid drops some points tomorrow and this weekend.
MaestroZidane
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bybuti;2839987 said:
Can we get a photo of todays game??
Arnau
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Alves has 4 yellow cards? the next ref. will give him the 5 one just before el clàsic, even if it isn't.
Mallorca won all matches besides the one against Sevilla at home.
PS:
http://sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=44&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=699403&idseccio_PK=803
Mallorca won all matches besides the one against Sevilla at home.
PS:
http://sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=44&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=699403&idseccio_PK=803
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