FC Barcelona Thread [2009/10]

[kp41]

any prediction on the result?

I hope Barca score first coz you know what would happen if Inter do it. They'll use all 11 players to defend in their box.

 

[Dytza]

3-1

Ibra, Henry, Pedro / Samu

hope so

 

[Arnau]

2-0

Henry handball twice.

 

[RobbieD_PL]

Shouldn't that be 2x2 handballs?

 

[kp41]

3-0 barca

 

[Arnau]

 

[Sevillista]

Pedro over Bojan... is this a position thing or has Bojan lost his place?

 

[Arnau]

pedro is winger and bojan striker, maicon can't attack all the time (is playing in the left) if has to mark a fast and skilled player like pedrito.

fantastic performace, brilliant strategy play in corners and free kicks.

 

[Arnau]

******* legend.

 

[Arnau]

oh btw, If anyone has a link/video where Inter players completed 3 passes, please show me. Thank You!

idiot.

They are not Real madrid, show more respect, eto'o plays for them.

 

[Jaboldinho]

Great match from the guys. Inter were probably looking to defend and catch us on the counter, but didn't work that well, since we scored after ten minutes.

Henry didn't do much with the ball, but he was great putting pressure on the defenders, and gained us the ball a few times because of that.

We were patient with our passing, just grinding and waiting for the spots to open for us, not pushing our heads to a wall. Xavi, Iniesta, Pedro and Dani were the top performers, providing good passes and runs, running throught the defenders and creating chances. The 2nd goal was a prime example of that.

Now onto El Clasico!

 

[Arnau]

if i were madrid fan, i would be scared.

 

[Arnau]

Ramos

Ramos

 

[Mandieta6]

Technically he didn't beat Hiddink, he tied and advanced on aggregate.

EDIT: Also, you saying that suggests Pep masterminded his way around those managers' tactics. That's not really the case, he's just had the team lay the same way and it's worked. He didn't even mastermind the method. But I'm not going to get into this again.

 

[ArgVega]

Technically he didn't beat Hiddink, he tied and advanced on aggregate.

EDIT: Also, you saying that suggests Pep masterminded his way around those managers' tactics. That's not really the case, he's just had the team lay the same way and it's worked. He didn't even mastermind the method. But I'm not going to get into this again.

What you say is true, and I myself can get kind of frustrated at our lack to have a plan B when it is indeed needed. At the same time however, I love how entertaining our football can be when we are able to open teams up by getting a goal....

Since cryuff we have only played one way, 4-3-3 with constant passing and movement, Its our philosophy touch, technique, movement, passing, and flair.

Like you have pointed out there are two faces to soccer, offense and defense, It has been successful sometimes and sometimes not, I don't think either mentality is more successful and effective than the other, but thats how we like our matches so what can one do we can't have both...

I think where pep has been a genious is on getting our underachieving team to performing to the full of its potential, no one can deny that

 

[Arnau]

Since cryuff we have only played one way, 4-3-3 with constant passing and movement, Its our philosophy touch, technique, movement, passing, and flair.

Barça has always tried to play a nice football (according by granpha).

 

[ARIAGA II]

Didn't van Gaal try a 3-4-3 formation?

 

[Arnau]

Cruyff's dream team use to play with 3-4-3... serra ferrer 4-2-3-1, Reixach... Reixach , Radomir Antic 4-4-2...

 

[MaestroZidane]

Football fans can always be a strange bunch.. Here bybuti is praising Pep, and has every right to do so because he did provide the winning attitude yesterday. Yet, after the draw at the weekend, some Barca fans (other forums) were ready to fire him because he did not act quickly in making changes that would have probably gotten you those three points.

 

[Mandieta6]

When you say something, you need arguments to prove it. I'm proving my point with:

1. Copa del Rey
2. Champions League
3. La Liga
4. Supercup of Spain
5. Supercup of Europe

"Pep doesn't have plan B", "Pep isn't a good coach", bla bla bla.

He has won everything within a year. He has owned every opponent he played during that year.

I already have. Twice. In this thread. But not in my last post. You're proving one of two things right now, either that you know little about footie, since you attribute your team's successful season solely to Pep's genius (even though he didn't do anything new (that's like saying that a chef who uses someone's recipe well is a genius)), or that you're a fickle supporter.

What ArgVega says is true, where Pep's 'genius' lies is in his ability to get the most out of his players. To continue the recipe analogy, all Pep did was change the temperature the dish was cooked at. I've said this before, heck, it's even become widespread that all he did to prepare the players before the CL final was to show them a vid of themselves playing to the tune of the Gladiator theme. That says it all. He has little tactical knowledge outside of what he knows well frm his playing days, and that's fine. Great coaches become great coaches with experience.

Every commentator in Spain is talking about how Pep is going to have to come up with something because the other teams are catching on to how to stop you. You've just chosen to ignore this after a good match. When you get found out, and you will, Pep's genius will be measured by how he deals with it. The only tactical variation Pep has come up with has been to feed long-balls to the targetman he got so Alves has someone to cross to. Hardly innovative, and hardly something a genius would come up with. Actually, that's the tactic all the other teams fall back to if all else fails. That's your plan B.

What do you call a Plan B mate?

Losing a game isn't because you didn't have a plan B.

Where was Ferguson's plan B in the final? Ferguson is one of the best and most experienced managers in the World. Where was Hiddink's plan B against Slovenia? Where was Mourinho's plan B last night.

You lose because something went wrong, not becasue you didn't have 'Plan B'. Now there always exist a Plan B&C that we don't know about. We don't notice that when our team wins of course. At least, we aren't that kind of expert to analyze a match that deep.

Last season, Guardiola won 75% of the matches. That's 41 from 60 matches (D: 13, L: 6). 2 of those 6 loses were against Osasuna and Mallorca when we won everything and we were playing with Muniesa & Co. Now, you call this a bad coach. A coach who doesn't have a plan B. Who lost only 4 games.

For sure, you can say he has a fantastic team. I agree. Pep admitted that as well. But last night was one of those nights which showed us that there isn't only Messi and Ibra, but there is Pep as well. A guy who knows how to motivate his lads, who knows how to play without his 2 key players, who knows how to play with Pedro, how to use Pedro to own Maicon (who is considered one of the best right defenders in the World). A guy who knows how to win against big teams.

The only reason why I can't say right now that Josep Guardiola is the best coach in the World is because he's too young, he's carrier as a coach is too short to say so. Otherwise, if he keeps this up for 2-3 more seaons, without any doubt he'll be the best coach in the World and maybe the best coach that has managed this game so far.

And one more thing, if anybody is saying that our defense is bad, then you're wrong my friend. Watch statistics, if you don't believe them, watch any match of Barça. Inter, best team in Seria A, had only A SHOOT in the first half last night, and that came after Valdes' mistake.

The whole point of having a Plan B is to have something to do when Plan A fails. Not having it is not the only reason teams lose matches, there's a lot of factors, but it's one of them. By tossing it aside you're tossing aside the concept of tactics. Who said they didn't have a Plan B? Just because a team still loses doesn't mean they didn't change their approach, it just didn't help. I remember Utd. playing differently at different points of the final, they still lost, but they still had different methods. Noticed how Ronaldo saw more of the ball later on, and how he kept shooting from a distance? That was one of their last resorts.

Also, subbing one player for a different one is a a Plan B. You look at United's bench and you see (or saw) players who would add a different element to the team. Swap Berbatov for Tevez, for example. Pep would rarely do any change that wasn't man for man. Keita for Yaya, Pedro for Messi, defender for defender, striker for striker, etc.

And the whole point of what I'm saying is that when Barca doesn't win, it's because they didn't have a Plan B. There's no point in changing Plan A when you're winning. So are you rejecting the importance of Plan B's or are you saying Barca has them but we just don't notice them? Make up your mind. Even Barca fans are saying that there's truth in this.

And I can't believe you're making such a big deal just becaue Messi and Ibra were out. There's a reason why the opposition man-mark Xavi and Iniesta but just kick Messi. Winning without Xaviniesta is a bigger thing to celeberate than doing what you did last night. What are you basing your observations on last night? On the fact that you won? That doesn't mean Pep is a genius at all. From what I saw, you did the exact same thing as you always do. And it worked. My point still stands.

At the bolded part, I wish I'd read that first, it would've have spared me this whole post. Dumbest thing you've said a in a while. Your own argument doesn't add up. Either he's the best manager or he isn't. You can't say if he'll become a legend now, but you can judge his managerial ability, and you're saying that he's amongst the best out there, if not the best. That's based on a weak argument you've made up. I don't have to discredit this one because I've already did that with the argument it's based on.

Best coach to have managed the game so far? Wow. I should tell my mum she's the best cook to have ever lived because she really knows how to cook the recipes in her cookbook.