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FIFA 2004 has lost against PES3 for sure...yes you heard me right.

nickclubman

Starting XI
Originally posted by mattsjakk
OMG! It's just a football game! What's the big deal?

Don't try and be clever mate, the big deal is how I and others spend our money on the same rubbish every year, so why isn't it going to be the same this year and then even if FIFA is much better then its previous titles, why buy FIFA then if PES3 has the chance of offering the best football experience, as this time I can buy PES, as I don't own a PS2.

I'm just trying to spend my money a game that offers the best gameplay, so I'll wait until I play both games. For now though I won't buy FIFA simply because it has "FIFA" on the box. :roll:

Nick.
 

mattsjakk

Reserve Team
Originally posted by nickclubman
Don't try and be clever mate, the big deal is how I and others spend our money on the same rubbish every year, so why isn't it going to be the same this year and then even if FIFA is much better then its previous titles, why buy FIFA then if PES3 has the chance of offering the best football experience, as this time I can buy PES, as I don't own a PS2.

I'm just trying to spend my money a game that offers the best gameplay, so I'll wait until I play both games. For now though I won't buy FIFA simply because it has "FIFA" on the box. :roll:

Nick.
I haven't said FIFA won't be rubbish this year. I'm buying PES 3 for my ps2, and fifa for my pc, because I'm playing pes and editing fifa.

I have owned fifa 2003 since december, and I have never started a league with any team, once I started club championship (played one match) and when I've played friendly matches, It was to check out a face or look at something I've downloaded. (I never finish the friendly matches, because It's so boring)

I own PES 2 for my ps2, and there I've finished master league a few times. And I'm satisfied with that, getting the gameplay on my ps2 and get the graphics at my PC. So really, I don't care what you'll be buying this year, because I've already got it planned.
 

Hugo-45-Viana

Red Card [I'm A Douche]
Life Ban
Originally posted by nickclubman
Though I probably won't buy it if PES3 has better gameplay, because this year it's not about licensing and graphics for me, or on-line play, it's about everything that goes with gameplay, and yes that means dynamic weather...

sometimes it's the small things that count. ;)
I'd like to know why my post prior to this idiotic piece of art was deleted... oh my? Because I said an opinion of fact?

So you want gameplay yet you're pissed over small things? There are no words to explain the complex stupidity you're going through...
 

Mauro DeLa Vega

Youth Team
Hehe nothing ever changes around here. ;)

Just like in FIFA2003-(and 2002 too I think)times he writes long dramatic posts about the negative points in the upcoming FIFA.

Well it does keep this board alive I guess ;)

I really don't care which game "wins". I'll just play the game that I get the most fun out of. And if you feel Dynamic Weather weighs heavy in your choice than you'll enjoy PES3 more.

If both games prove fun to play. I'll just buy both. I get so sick and tired of hearing these "discussions" (or flaming) about which game rulez and sucks or wins.

And I agree with Hugo Viana that we should judge the game when we've played it and not by it's feature-list and a couple of screenshots.

For you a small thing like weather counts but for me that particular small thing doesn't count a lot. I just want to play nice realistic (or as realistic as possible) football which doesn't frustrate me and makes me believe I'm actually involved in the team I'm playing with.

And a 1000 other people might have a 1000 other priorities that makes them enjoy the game so you can understand how hard it is for Konami and EA to please all of us. It's impossible.
Constructive critisism and suggestions are one thing but people are really getting carried away here.
So I think we should be a bit less hard on the devs and just enjoy what they produce or get ourselves another hobby.

Getting frustrated about a feature of a computergame on a forum seems so pointless. :)
 

ogsimon

Starting XI
Damn nick u went sick on that first post:D .

Well done. PES 3 is going to be much better than Fifa in terms of gameplay, the weather feature is an added bonus. Plus the game is gonna be on the PC.

Now with this game finally on the PC people will have a much better choice.

Even though PES3 has a lack of advetisement, the word is starting to spread about PES3 and i can see EA having a nasty suprise if drastic changesave not been made over 03 cus PES 3 according to the reviews and from what i played is a huge step over PES2.

Fifa's main problem is that it lacks variety in gameplay. Now it turns out that another part of realism is not in weather. Maybe this is because they have indeed made grea changes to gameplay

But EA have a great challenge from Konami, Judging from this review

http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/reviews/default.asp?subsectionid=166&articleid=65902&pagetype=2
 

toomerk

Club Supporter
I think people are sensitive about this because for anyone that's played, say, Winning Eleven 6 International, and also faithfully watches football on Fox Sports World (here in the States), it's confusing and strange how anyone could want to play FIFA. Winning Eleven to me is addictive because it so faithfully represents the game that I watch on t.v. The animations, the way play develops, how, on harder levels, the more you play the game like real football the more success you have. These are the reasons WE is so addictive to play.

I went to a Premiership game in England (Derby vs. Arsenal) and I was amazed how tense the game was from start to finish, how every posession mattered, how easy it was to recognize that Arsenal were dominating, despite the game being even for most of the first half. You didn't want to turn your head, for fear that you might miss something. Every pass, cross, tackle, goal, mattered. It's something that had to be experienced to fully understand why football is such a wonderful sport. Winning Eleven comes very close to recreating that sense of passion and tension, and you can feel yourself getting nervous everytime you lose posession in a big match. And you feel very rewarded for hard work and precise execution when you score. So, as much as I liked FIFA in the past, I'm sorry, it just never gave the sense that the games...mattered.

I know, I know, "licenses". But it doesn't matter how many teams and players you have if they all play the same way, have no preferred foot, etc. Now, this year, FIFA promises to change all of that, plus add a Championship Manager-like career mode. Hopefully this will be a good year for FIFA. I will hold out discussing FIFA 2004 until I actually rent the game and play it myself. Hopefully it can attempt to bring some drama to the game.
 

nickclubman

Starting XI
Exactly! Winning Eleven makes the player work hard for everything on the pitch, to get great possession and good build up, to get that great shot on goal, it's all difficult and this makes the goal feel earned and rewarding. FIFA 2003 does nothing of the sort allowing stupid amounts of possession to the player, with the CPU getting 30% even on world class, and you can score and get the shots on target 90% of the time from far out, IT'S PATHETIC AND TERRIBLE, NOT FOOTBALL AT ALL!! :kader:

Lets hope FIFA 2004 can change things, but the chances are that after all these years, can FIFA really change, or will it still be a big difference of emotion and realism between FIFA and PES. I want to feel the goals, not to just see them. :(

Nick.


Originally posted by toomerk
I think people are sensitive about this because for anyone that's played, say, Winning Eleven 6 International, and also faithfully watches football on Fox Sports World (here in the States), it's confusing and strange how anyone could want to play FIFA. Winning Eleven to me is addictive because it so faithfully represents the game that I watch on t.v. The animations, the way play develops, how, on harder levels, the more you play the game like real football the more success you have. These are the reasons WE is so addictive to play.

I went to a Premiership game in England (Derby vs. Arsenal) and I was amazed how tense the game was from start to finish, how every posession mattered, how easy it was to recognize that Arsenal were dominating, despite the game being even for most of the first half. You didn't want to turn your head, for fear that you might miss something. Every pass, cross, tackle, goal, mattered. It's something that had to be experienced to fully understand why football is such a wonderful sport. Winning Eleven comes very close to recreating that sense of passion and tension, and you can feel yourself getting nervous everytime you lose posession in a big match. And you feel very rewarded for hard work and precise execution when you score. So, as much as I liked FIFA in the past, I'm sorry, it just never gave the sense that the games...mattered.

I know, I know, "licenses". But it doesn't matter how many teams and players you have if they all play the same way, have no preferred foot, etc. Now, this year, FIFA promises to change all of that, plus add a Championship Manager-like career mode. Hopefully this will be a good year for FIFA. I will hold out discussing FIFA 2004 until I actually rent the game and play it myself. Hopefully it can attempt to bring some drama to the game.
 

nickclubman

Starting XI
Cheers mate, I know you'd understand what I'm getting at, even if people don't care about PES, it's PES that's making the football gamer change, because I have played PES and I know how great it is, so this makes my expectations and priorities for FIFA change...

Though I was a bit of a hot head, I just can't see how FIFA can do a U-turn and be from an emotionless rubbish football experience, to what EA claim to be the greatest football simulation and most authentic experience of all the football games releasing this year! :eek:

Nick.

Originally posted by ogsimon
Damn nick u went sick on that first post:D .

Well done. PES 3 is going to be much better than Fifa in terms of gameplay, the weather feature is an added bonus. Plus the game is gonna be on the PC.

Now with this game finally on the PC people will have a much better choice.

Even though PES3 has a lack of advetisement, the word is starting to spread about PES3 and i can see EA having a nasty suprise if drastic changesave not been made over 03 cus PES 3 according to the reviews and from what i played is a huge step over PES2.

Fifa's main problem is that it lacks variety in gameplay. Now it turns out that another part of realism is not in weather. Maybe this is because they have indeed made grea changes to gameplay

But EA have a great challenge from Konami, Judging from this review

http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/reviews/default.asp?subsectionid=166&articleid=65902&pagetype=2
 

toomerk

Club Supporter
Originally posted by nickclubman
EA claim to be the greatest football simulation and most authentic experience of all the football games releasing this year!

I believe they say that because they've added more leagues, and have a very FA-like career mode. But the gameplay "features" that they've added this year to try and make it more sim(coordinated movements between players, player "marking control"-> where you defend a guy and call for help from your teammate, off the ball runs), these things were in ISSPE1!!!! If they are just now adding features that a PS1 game had 4 years ago, I seriously dobut that the game will challenge PES in terms of gameplay. I hope I'm wrong, because February is a long way to wait for WE7i, and FIFA's career mode sounds interesting.
 

ChRIsA

Senior Squad
PES3 deserves all the hype its getting. I got a magazine yesterday with a video of loads of games coming out soon, this included in game action from WE7 and that same fifa video on why Fifa is the most authentic footy game ever (yeah right), and after watching both I can safely say that PES3 is gonna be about 200 times better than Fifa, The animations in WE7 are just breathtakingly good, the vid clips almost looked like real football, and PES3 is suppposed to be better.
As for Fifa, the graphics are impressive, but whats new?
I cant wait till PES3 comes to the PC! just think of the editing possibilities.
 

notoriousdom

Youth Team
PES, FIFA whatever!
Guys hold on till both games come.

Gonna end up getting Fifa anyways coz i own an xbox but if PES is worth all the praises itz getting then i might buy for my PC... aint sure about that though.
 

Ian84

Youth Team
lol.... i hope pes3 is the same even enhanced than we7... in terms of gameplay n animation... so incredible we7.. i miss the comm"gol..gol..gol..gol..."oh japanese.. there are nice pretty ladies out there... (H)
 

Tom Green

Senior Squad
NK, you seem to be very hyped up about PES3's dynamic weather, however, that feature was found in PES2.. :confused:

I play WE6:I(PES2) everyday and the weather changes throughout the match, it may be raining, then it may stop, and then start raining again, so this is not a new feature for the series or anything.
 
N

Ny8La8

Guest
I agree with everything you've sed Nick. Although I AM anxiously awaiting for FIFA 2004 to be released, EA has already given us a clue that the gameplay is not going to be upto PES's level. We've been told that there will be no in-game curling of the ball (along the ground). Look at the latest FIFA clips, just as in the 2003 game, the ball always travels in a straight line. Yesterday I was playing PES, and i had a shot on goal but it deflected off a defender and was heading towards the goal-line near the side line. I thought i would be rewarded with a corner kick but instead of the ball going over the goal line, it curled along the ground and just barely went out of bounds for a throw-in. (can you visualize that scenario?). If you can, then you can see that PES gameplay and ball-physics SEEM better. Dont flame me now. I am really looking forward for FIFA 2004 and I will most likely buy it. But not having in-game curling (not automated) really hurts FIFA.

Anyway, carry on...
 

The Kop Kid

Senior Squad
Originally posted by valioso
fifa beat pes?? who cares if it beats them or not.. just play whatever game you enjoy.. if you play the demo for fifa and you enjoy it then buy the game. if you dont like it then dont buy it.. but I think people pay too much attention to what previewers say.. since most of it is just personal opinion anyway.. and personal bias always comes to play...

Umm...this is the PES Vs FIFA forum, so if you don't care to compare the games or "who cares if it beats them or not", then why read and post in this forum? :rolleyes:
 

Hans

How big is YOUR penis?
In 48 hours already a gameplay patch is made after the demo. That explains everything about FIFA 2004 . . .
 

Bummy_JaB

Senior Squad
I can't really say anything about fifa 2004, but I can say that I have scored a goal in WE7 I am sure no one in the world can score and just maybe come close to. And i have also jumped in the air and some how done a 360 spin in the air with Trezeguet and scored a header. How crazy is that and when will u see unscripted goals in Fifa????

Maybe if I want to hear real crowd chants and see nice uniforms I will play fifa. But if I want the best gamplay for a football game I will play WE7
 


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