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FIFA Ballon d'Or and Panchina d'Oro [P+R]

ShiftyPowers

ShiftyPowers

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Oh, Sneijder was completely fucked in 2010. Ribery didn't belong in the discussion last year, I honestly don't know why anyone even thought he should win it.

Neuer is not just about winning the World Cup. Yes that is part of it, but he is just as good or better at his position right now as Ronaldo is at his.
 
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ARIAGA II

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Iniesta, Schweinsteiger & Sneidjer should have been the final three in 2010. It's like they decide to give the award to either Cristiano or Messi then look for any reason to justify the decision.
 
chygry

chygry

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ShiftyPowers;3763714 said:
Oh, Sneijder was completely fucked in 2010.
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I second that! The guy was majestic for Inter when they won the treble. Lead Holland to the World Cup final which they could've won, had Robben converted one of those two chances he had against Casillas. :/ And who won it? Messi out of the blue, he didn't have the worst season exactly, won La Liga and all, but Sneijder not winning it was a farce!

I don't really care who wins the Ballon d'Or this year, like Mus said it's a popularity contest. It's a World Cup year so, I believe i said Müller/Lahm or Robben deserves it earlier on, Neuer? Why not. It's gonna go to Ronaldo anyways, who also deserves it. Had a fantastic CL campaign last season with 17 goals in the CL when Real won their long desired La Décima.
 
Dytza

Dytza

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I honestly don't see any difference between Sneijder vs Messi 2010 and Ribery vs Ronaldo 2013.

Letting the WC final aside, Sneijder basically won the same trophies as Ribery last year, and both of them were part of a very competitive side, none of them being a match decider. Messi won the league, the CL top scorer and the Golden Boot in 2010 while Ronaldo only won the CL top scorer, the Golden Boot and the league being won by Messi and Barcelona.
 
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Sneijder was the best player on his team (Ribery was not), Sneijder led his team to the World Cup Final and if I'm not mistaken was joint top scorer (Ribery did not do any of those things in 2013).
 
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Mandieta6

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Didn't Sneijder win the CL that year too?

Top scorer, team best pkayer for WC finalist and best player for CL winner is hard to top.
 
Dytza

Dytza

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Weren't most of you guys arguing Ribery was Bayern's best player last year?

I wouldn't say he was Inter's best player. It's hard to say who is the best player in a team like Bayern or Inter. He had Milito (who scored 30 goals that season and decided the final), and Eto'o in a very good form.
 
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Xifio

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Wes was robbed in 2010 ... he was the creative heartbeat for both club and country ... wasn't it a goal or assist in every knockout match for Inter in the Champions League and for Holland (bar the final) in the World Cup?
 
chygry

chygry

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Dytza;3763803 said:
I wouldn't say he was Inter's best player. It's hard to say who is the best player in a team like Bayern or Inter. He had Milito (who scored 30 goals that season and decided the final), and Eto'o in a very good form.
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I'd say the reason why Inter won the treble that year was mostly because of Mourinho, and obviously it was a team effort. He even had Eto'o playing on the wing at times to get the most out of Diego Milito, who also had a fantastic season. Depending on the opponent of course, but i'm not going to blabber about this.

Sneijder was probably the key to the team's success. You could take any player out of that team and it could still function. But I believe he was one player who was impossible to replace. His playmaking abilities back then were amazing. His passing, vision, goals, assists etc. Anyway you get what i mean.
 
yoyo913

yoyo913

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ShiftyPowers;3763714 said:
Neuer is not just about winning the World Cup. Yes that is part of it, but he is just as good or better at his position right now as Ronaldo is at his.
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Attacker is more important than goalie.

Substitute Pantilimon for Neuer at Bayern and Gabriel Torje for Ronaldo at Real and the latter would be a bigger issue.
 
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yoyo913;3763818 said:
Attacker is more important than goalie.

Substitute Pantilimon for Neuer at Bayern and Gabriel Torje for Ronaldo at Real and the latter would be a bigger issue.
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I disagree. I believe that Real with Bale and Isco and James (perhaps Di Maria too) covering down for Ronaldo would still be one of the top 2 teams in the world, if not the best. Bayern, on the other hand, would be far more vulnerable to draws and losses against the run of play. Neuer has saved them so many times just in the past year; he did so against Arsenal at the Emirates last year, against United last year, and so many other times when Bayern only won by a single goal.

I also firmly believe that in the knockout rounds, it is more important to have a good defense than a good attack and I believe that Mourinho has proven this over the last decade. Pep, for all his attack, is actually obsessed with defense, and the same can be said for Klopp as well. Almost all of the most successful coaches have grasped this idea in the last decade. As far as a league season goes, without seeing any statistical evidence, it does seem more important to pile up the goals, but in knockout rounds it is the defense which is more important.
 
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Filipower

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It's very hard to say, both teams would just adapt and still be great, although I think Real would be worse without Ronaldo than Bayern without Neuer. Look at Barça when they had Valdés.
 
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Yes, but Valdes' best skill was at the thing Barca were most vulnerable to, i.e. sudden attacks out of nowhere. His reflex saves are great, and those are generally the only opportunities that sprang up against them.
 
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Filipower

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And at the time they were better than (at least current) Bayern. Neuer allows the team to do other things and that's why they are free to do them, but if he didn't they would adapt and still be awesome, or at least better than Real without Ronaldo, imo.
 
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Jaboldinho

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How often has something Neuer has done been the difference of winning vs drawing/losing. Compare that to Ronaldo/Messi. I'm pretty sure it's just going to be a lot lower. That's the nature of the game.
 
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I don't know, Neuer snuffs out a lot of counter attacks outside his box and certainly makes a lot more saves per game than Ronaldo and Messi score.
 
Mus

Mus

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That Algeria game was the equivalent of scoring a hat trick in the world cup knockouts
 
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