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Is it just me or is PES wacked?

Verbatable

Club Supporter
Well first things first I suppose, how about getting a red card for a mundane tackle with which I actually made contact with and won the ball!

Trusty ref decides to run out and give a red to Roy Keane after I win the ball from Hasslebaink. So very lame. Then a couple of minutes later two of my guys are hauled down in their box without a single call.

Another thing, why is the shooting so terrible in PES 3? Is there an actual way shoot the ball with something other than the outside of your guys foot?

When I have Scholes within a meter of the net, why does he chip shot the ball over the net? Even I know enough to tap it in from that range.

My players always want to wind up nice and long to make the weakest of shots on net!

And how does the whole freekick system work, can you actually put spin on the ball or does your moron player do it for you.

I'm sorry, but I am quite frustrated. I have been trying to play PES 3 again and get a decent comparison with FIFA 2005 gameplay wise. There are many things I like about pes, like the dribbling system, but when it comes down to shooting, well, the game stinks. Super floaty, slow motion shots are all your guys do.

I know people complain about the apparent "rocket system" EA employs in the FIFA series, but seriously, when I kick a ball in real life, and watch professionals do it on TV, it looks a hell of a lot more like in FIFA than in PES. You don't tend to see many balls which are hit with the outstep and go exactly straight.

So if there is something perhaps wrong with how I am playing this game tell me, but as it looks now, I'm going to be hanging up and closing the door on this bulky player modeled, space ball, unliscenced product, and switch back to FIFA forever. (Gameplay in FIFA 2005 is at least on par with PES 3)
 

NottsSupporter

Sgt. Pseudo Dane
no offence, but from what you write, it just seems like you're quite crap at PES. Practise practise and practise and you won't ever look at fifa again.
 

Stotty

Fan Favourite
Re: Is it just me or is PES wacked?

Originally posted by Verbatable
Well first things first I suppose, how about getting a red card for a mundane tackle with which I actually made contact with and won the ball!

Trusty ref decides to run out and give a red to Roy Keane after I win the ball from Hasslebaink. So very lame. Then a couple of minutes later two of my guys are hauled down in their box without a single call.

Welcome to the premiership :)

Another thing, why is the shooting so terrible in PES 3? Is there an actual way shoot the ball with something other than the outside of your guys foot?

Me thinks your crap :) If you can't work out how to shoot, then all you deserve as a football game is fifa :)

When I have Scholes within a meter of the net, why does he chip shot the ball over the net? Even I know enough to tap it in from that range.

Try taking your hand off L1 **** brick :)

My players always want to wind up nice and long to make the weakest of shots on net!

I think i'd wind up if you were my manager :)

And how does the whole freekick system work, can you actually put spin on the ball or does your moron player do it for you.

Yes, the moron player (your talking about the controller of the game right?) does put spin on it. Whilst your powering up, hold down to make it dip (NOT BEFORE YOU'VE PRESSED THE BUTTON), when your kicking, press left or right to put spin on

I'm sorry, but I am quite frustrated. I have been trying to play PES 3 again and get a decent comparison with FIFA 2005 gameplay wise. There are many things I like about pes, like the dribbling system, but when it comes down to shooting, well, the game stinks. Super floaty, slow motion shots are all your guys do.

The fact that you suck at this game, doesn't mean FIFA is better than PES. Your one of those guys who expects to be able to press shoot and for a thundering effort to go zooming into the top corner right?

Pes isn't like that, you need to have the right timing, be balanced, for the ball to be in the right place, and for you to time your power and shooting to perfection

I know people complain about the apparent "rocket system" EA employs in the FIFA series, but seriously, when I kick a ball in real life, and watch professionals do it on TV, it looks a hell of a lot more like in FIFA than in PES. You don't tend to see many balls which are hit with the outstep and go exactly straight.

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So if there is something perhaps wrong with how I am playing this game tell me, but as it looks now, I'm going to be hanging up and closing the door on this bulky player modeled, space ball, unliscenced product, and switch back to FIFA forever. (Gameplay in FIFA 2005 is at least on par with PES 3)

Good riddance, looking at your comments, you dont deserve pes. You expect to be able to take on the whole of your opposing team and rocket the ball past the keeper. You dont want to have to think about details such as timing your tackles to win the ball, to pick out a perfect through ball using timing and precision, or to place a well aimed shot, or rifle a long range effort using timing again towards goal.

Let me guess, you play

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SC SC SC SC SC SC SC SC
 

Gnidrologist

Youth Team
Now now guys, please, don't exaggerate your pes-patriotism to such phony level. Verbatable seems to be a little too annoyed and maybe he really isn't too skilled in pes yet, but I can only agree that pes/we shooting system is one of the weakest links in those games. No need to denie that.
 

Verbatable

Club Supporter
Hardly, I am asking for help in my frustrations, not to be insulted.

If the requirement to Play PES is to have a superiority complex than clearly I miss read the requirements on the box.

I know how to defend, and I know all about timing through balls (I am currently leading the table, 20 games in, 1st division) on the hardest difficulty.

Sometimes I just get very frustrated by the card happy refs, or by animation issues which can really crush the gameplay.

Using timing, good passing, finding some nice open space and watching my player's balance I have many a time taken a good shot at net, only to have the effort fly straight, no curl at all (kindof odd considering the excesive outstep use.

And my hand wasn't on L1 when I chipped the ball over the net, I use the keyboard btw.
 

Gnidrologist

Youth Team
I really can't give you any hint on that. Curling is very much a random thing. You can do noting with it. Only time where you can add a thoughtfull swerve to the ball are dead ball situations.
 

Verbatable

Club Supporter
Thanks for the help Gnidrologist, perhaps the swerving will be a little more in depth in WE8.

Between the little quirks in FIFA 2004 and PES 3 I have been frustrated many a time. Sometimes I really wonder whether there is some magic button that I am not pushing in either game...
 

Fener_Bahce

Reserve Team
Thats why PES is so amazing. Even the refs make mistakes, and sometimes they're currupt. Fifa you can expect the same thing over and over again, but PES is so unpredictable, it's amazing.
 

Gnidrologist

Youth Team
Originally posted by Spurs4Life
I don't see how someone can say Fifa 2005 gameplay is on par with PES, I really don't.
I don't think anyone does. I believe Verbatable was just frustrated with pes shooting system, which, you should agree, isn't flawless. That doesn't mean I agree with Verbatable that fifa's is better, because it's not. It's lot worse.
 

Mayor

Starting XI
why did you compare PES3 (relased year ago) to Fifa 2005 (haven't officially relased yet)?

I can take Fifa 2000 and compare it to PES4, guess what's better...
 

WEWEWE

Youth Team
that guy is retarded...

obviously he hasn't seen the "pratice" mode yet..where "basic" controls of the game are introduced.....

I bet he's young and never played football before.....

coz if u even play casually with friends.. u'll realise that u can't really rocket ur shots at EVERY SITUATIONS...


u deserve fifa... u should never touch PES again coz that'd be an insult to the greatest game ever..
 

ishan1990

Senior Squad
little tip for shooting??

press harder on the shot button and hold it for less time and the ball will go low and fast

(the power bar is actually more for the hight of the ball)
this will have you banging on your controller and you end up with more satisfying goals.

and also, dont hold l1 or r1 while you shoot otherwise you'll either get a lob shot or a chip shot.

you got to experiment. Stats really matter in this game. go to the practice mode, watch the tutorial. It takes a while to get used to...




"Now now guys, please, don't exaggerate your pes-patriotism to such phony level. Verbatable seems to be a little too annoyed and maybe he really isn't too skilled in pes yet, but I can only agree that pes/we shooting system is one of the weakest links in those games. No need to denie that"


and are you ******* kidding me??

the shooting system in we is absoloutely spactacular!!

I fricken love it.






and yes, the refs make really ****ty calls on slide tackles. I thinks its been fixed in pes4
but thats just something your going to have to get used to.

you'll learn to get around sloppy tackles soon enough.
 

Bummy_JaB

Senior Squad
Im the WE8 MASTER!!!!! If any of u want lessons come down to CT so I can SERVE and put u pawns in your place:hit:
 

niceman

Senior Squad
Originally posted by Spurs4Life
I don't see how someone can say Fifa 2005 gameplay is on par with PES, I really don't.

FIFA gameplay has been so ****.tty last years that any improvement makes the gameplay like a dream...but compared to PES gameplay in FIFA is quality crap...
 

Ratinho

Club Supporter
The refereeing problems have been completely overhauled and improved almost perfectly. Red cards are now only awarded for proffessional fouls and terrible challenges. Even yellow cards are only handed out for poor tackles, but the harshness differs for different referees. Some will let the game flow and let tackles go, but some will blow up for every little push.

The shooting system has also been massively improved in WE8/PES4, and you have to remember that shooting is not just dependent on how long you push the button for. As in real football, it depends on the position of the ball, the player, their body shape when they strike the ball. Aftertouch on the latest games has been improved, but only to realistic levels, not some Fifa '04 'every shot banana's' method but subtley. You can strike the ball very hard, or softly depending on exactly how you do it, not the game. Just check the vids at Evo-Web, ISSextreme, and even in the ISS/PES/WE foum here.

The free kick system (which is pretty damn good in PES3) has again been overhauled, and curling is now more obvious (for those that couldn't do it in PES3 :( ). Stepovers, lay offs and fooling the keeper are all possible and the curl is just as visible as in a real match. Depending on who you take the free kick with, obviously.
 

Gnidrologist

Youth Team
Originally posted by ishan1990
and are you ******* kidding me??

the shooting system in we is absoloutely spactacular!!

I fricken love it.
I was talking about pes3 btw. And shooting isn't spectacular at all. Especially the animation of it. It really seems that 80% of time players shoot right through the middle of the ball with outside/upperside of the foot. And it's not just the animation, ball actualy flies as if the shot was made that way. It mostly flies in some hard driven or floaty manner which isn't how it happens usually. How many Del Piero like curlers from putside the box you have scored? Not too much, aight?
Also that stupid tvisting of the body right the opposite way the player shoots. No, pes3/we7 system is miles better than any of fifa's, but it's no way spectacular. I do hope that this years game has improved.
 

Verbatable

Club Supporter
Anyone who insults me for being frustrated with a game is most likely a young inexperienced player.

I have played many a game of football, both virtual and reality for my whole life.

I was just getting frustrated with the shooting system. HOWEVER, and it is a big however, the game is much better than FIFA 2004, and 2005 for the most part. This doesn't go to say that I don't enjoy parts of FIFA 2005 (Havn't played the full version so my opinion here doesn't really count int his comparison), but I do enjoy PES 3 more at the moment.

There will always be morons who latch onto something and the moment they percieve some negative reaction towards what they've latched onto they attack. Usually with insults, or claiming that that person sucks in some way etc...

Frustration is part of football, especially a good football sim. Anyhow, excuse me whilst I get back to my third season!
 

Mayor

Starting XI
Originally posted by Gnidrologist
I was talking about pes3 btw. And shooting isn't spectacular at all. Especially the animation of it. It really seems that 80% of time players shoot right through the middle of the ball with outside/upperside of the foot. And it's not just the animation, ball actualy flies as if the shot was made that way. It mostly flies in some hard driven or floaty manner which isn't how it happens usually. How many Del Piero like curlers from putside the box you have scored? Not too much, aight?
Also that stupid tvisting of the body right the opposite way the player shoots. No, pes3/we7 system is miles better than any of fifa's, but it's no way spectacular. I do hope that this years game has improved.
yup that's right, pes3 shooting system sux badly
the best shot system in series was in WE 2002 imho

I wonder how it's done in PES4
 


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