donovan929
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I guess I'm going to piss off both sides equally here, but...
Firstly, it seems to me that there's no point in claiming that PES is a 'solution' to the problems of FIFA 06. FIFA is more of a simulation of soccer while PES is an arcade game. PES gives a superficial experience, tuned to those who don't have the patience or desire for anything more complex, and while FIFA may have its faults it does at least give a deeper feeling that what we're playing is a soccer game.
Secondly, must we endure the mindless sycophancy of a thread that's purely fanboy cheerleading? I mean I like the game too, but I don't post nonsense like "Ooooh! This game is so awesome you guys!" There's no point to such a message. It's just emptyheaded fluff. Call me a traditionalist, but I think forum threads should raise issues or ask questions. If you think the game is great, that's fine, but it's pointless saying so without giving us something more substantive to discuss.
Firstly, it seems to me that there's no point in claiming that PES is a 'solution' to the problems of FIFA 06. FIFA is more of a simulation of soccer while PES is an arcade game. PES gives a superficial experience, tuned to those who don't have the patience or desire for anything more complex, and while FIFA may have its faults it does at least give a deeper feeling that what we're playing is a soccer game.
Secondly, must we endure the mindless sycophancy of a thread that's purely fanboy cheerleading? I mean I like the game too, but I don't post nonsense like "Ooooh! This game is so awesome you guys!" There's no point to such a message. It's just emptyheaded fluff. Call me a traditionalist, but I think forum threads should raise issues or ask questions. If you think the game is great, that's fine, but it's pointless saying so without giving us something more substantive to discuss.
gamerguy350
Reserve Team
Beery said:
I think you may have your games mixed up there buddy.
Guys, I must say the truth here, and I mean a full and final conclusion on both games, and believe me that I'm not a fan of any of the 2 games, I just keep looking for a good soccer simulation and realism.
I've played FIFA 06 and PES 5 for over 6 months now, I play FIFA 06 at my house, and when I'm at my friends' houses I play PES 5 (they don't like FIFA in general). Don't argue with me and say some bla stuff on how it's not possible and stuff, I do play both games and I have a 100% perfect view on both of them, and my view got many of my friends shift to the one I thought was better.
See, PES 5 is a great game, but as Beery mentioned it does feel "Arcade" like, in fact very arcade-ish. When I look at my friends and at my self playing PES, all what they shout and think about is to score a goal, and more goals; Even if they change the formation and strategies, they do that only because they read about it somewhere, in other words changing formation and strategies in PES is just like a cheat code, hens the word "Arcade" like, in arcade games you do some exact moves and you'll 90% of the time get the same actions, the same applies to PES 5, for example, when you commit a free kick on particular way, you will always, an I mean ALWAYS (99% of the time) get what you want, I have some of my friends who score 3 or 4 goals in one match just by following some steps on a free kick then scoring a goal.
The good thing about this system of arcade-like is that it has a big fan base; The matches are fast, exact and have a game feel, I repeat "Game Feel".
In the other hand, FIFA 06 perfectly simulates the real world soccer action, either by sound effects graphical effects or with realism of game style. When my friends come to my house and try to play FIFA 06 the first thing they say is "The game is too slow", which is the first response that I get from any PES gamer, and why is that? Because PES gamers got so used to fast "Arcade like" games on PES to the point that anything slower than the PES games seems extremely slow, but when we come to real talk, FIFA 06 has the closest game play speed to the real world, in fact in FIFA World Cup 2006, the speed has been modified to the best of what it can be ever.
I've done some tests on how long dose the ball fly and how the ball falls down in both games, compared both games to real soccer matches recorded on the internet, and the results are way to far from each other; FIFA beats PES by flying colors! Don't believe me? do the tests by your self.
Even the players' movements in FIFA are slowed down to a point where you can think while play instead of just playing pre-thought actions. In PES I use to suffer from changing the Formations and Strategies, because whenever I try something realistic and logical, it gets harder to win against my friends, and of course my friends always do the same formation plans and win most of the time against me. I wonder why?? Funny enough, one of my is like the best PES player in the hood, and for some reason he always uses the same formation set and strategies whatever was the team! e of course always wins! I mean come on, the same formation for Brazil and England??!!! Unrealistic.
In the old days, FIFA was crappy for sure, but now, and ESPECIALLY in FIFA World Cup 2006, I can totally say that "EA Sports is doing a Marvelous job in simulating the soccer game", I mean Player actions, ball physics, graphics, sounds, commentary everything is so perfected with the latest technology out there. I'm so serious and sure about what I'm saying here, and I want from the PES fans to at least try the FIFA game for 1 week, don't try it for one game and say "oh slow", no, play it for one week and I can assure you that you are going to get "Addicted" to it; try out the FIFA World Cup 2006... Unless if you are looking for Arcade-like games, then I prefer for you to keep playing PES.
PES was for 3 years in a row my favourite game ever, seriously. But I've reached to a point where I said "Man, I should grow up a little and start looking for more real world simulation", and in EA FIFA I found the answer, and my god what an answer. But that doesnt mean at all that I'm not playing PES forever, I still do like the Arcade feeling of PES, where I can play fast games with my friends without the need to think a lot, just start the console, even keep the formation as it is and have fun, and when I'm at home alone and need a cool late night strategic game, I head to my PC or Xbox360 and continue a tournament that I've started from a week or so.
The FIFA vs. PES argument will never end, due to the miss-thinking on how both games work, but I want everybody in here to rethink what I've said, that PES is more arcade, and FIFA is more simulation. Another example is the game flight simulator, Anyone who saw me playing it was like "Man, Boring", but that's because it's slow and more realistic, which most gamers don't prefer, instead they'll love flight games such as Ace Combat where it has some realistic feeling, but more arcade like, you do some moves hit some buttons and the game is done.
Thank you for reading!
Peace,
Saad R. (Biggy)
I've played FIFA 06 and PES 5 for over 6 months now, I play FIFA 06 at my house, and when I'm at my friends' houses I play PES 5 (they don't like FIFA in general). Don't argue with me and say some bla stuff on how it's not possible and stuff, I do play both games and I have a 100% perfect view on both of them, and my view got many of my friends shift to the one I thought was better.
See, PES 5 is a great game, but as Beery mentioned it does feel "Arcade" like, in fact very arcade-ish. When I look at my friends and at my self playing PES, all what they shout and think about is to score a goal, and more goals; Even if they change the formation and strategies, they do that only because they read about it somewhere, in other words changing formation and strategies in PES is just like a cheat code, hens the word "Arcade" like, in arcade games you do some exact moves and you'll 90% of the time get the same actions, the same applies to PES 5, for example, when you commit a free kick on particular way, you will always, an I mean ALWAYS (99% of the time) get what you want, I have some of my friends who score 3 or 4 goals in one match just by following some steps on a free kick then scoring a goal.
The good thing about this system of arcade-like is that it has a big fan base; The matches are fast, exact and have a game feel, I repeat "Game Feel".
In the other hand, FIFA 06 perfectly simulates the real world soccer action, either by sound effects graphical effects or with realism of game style. When my friends come to my house and try to play FIFA 06 the first thing they say is "The game is too slow", which is the first response that I get from any PES gamer, and why is that? Because PES gamers got so used to fast "Arcade like" games on PES to the point that anything slower than the PES games seems extremely slow, but when we come to real talk, FIFA 06 has the closest game play speed to the real world, in fact in FIFA World Cup 2006, the speed has been modified to the best of what it can be ever.
I've done some tests on how long dose the ball fly and how the ball falls down in both games, compared both games to real soccer matches recorded on the internet, and the results are way to far from each other; FIFA beats PES by flying colors! Don't believe me? do the tests by your self.
Even the players' movements in FIFA are slowed down to a point where you can think while play instead of just playing pre-thought actions. In PES I use to suffer from changing the Formations and Strategies, because whenever I try something realistic and logical, it gets harder to win against my friends, and of course my friends always do the same formation plans and win most of the time against me. I wonder why?? Funny enough, one of my is like the best PES player in the hood, and for some reason he always uses the same formation set and strategies whatever was the team! e of course always wins! I mean come on, the same formation for Brazil and England??!!! Unrealistic.
In the old days, FIFA was crappy for sure, but now, and ESPECIALLY in FIFA World Cup 2006, I can totally say that "EA Sports is doing a Marvelous job in simulating the soccer game", I mean Player actions, ball physics, graphics, sounds, commentary everything is so perfected with the latest technology out there. I'm so serious and sure about what I'm saying here, and I want from the PES fans to at least try the FIFA game for 1 week, don't try it for one game and say "oh slow", no, play it for one week and I can assure you that you are going to get "Addicted" to it; try out the FIFA World Cup 2006... Unless if you are looking for Arcade-like games, then I prefer for you to keep playing PES.
PES was for 3 years in a row my favourite game ever, seriously. But I've reached to a point where I said "Man, I should grow up a little and start looking for more real world simulation", and in EA FIFA I found the answer, and my god what an answer. But that doesnt mean at all that I'm not playing PES forever, I still do like the Arcade feeling of PES, where I can play fast games with my friends without the need to think a lot, just start the console, even keep the formation as it is and have fun, and when I'm at home alone and need a cool late night strategic game, I head to my PC or Xbox360 and continue a tournament that I've started from a week or so.
The FIFA vs. PES argument will never end, due to the miss-thinking on how both games work, but I want everybody in here to rethink what I've said, that PES is more arcade, and FIFA is more simulation. Another example is the game flight simulator, Anyone who saw me playing it was like "Man, Boring", but that's because it's slow and more realistic, which most gamers don't prefer, instead they'll love flight games such as Ace Combat where it has some realistic feeling, but more arcade like, you do some moves hit some buttons and the game is done.
Thank you for reading!
Peace,
Saad R. (Biggy)
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
One problem that I have with just about every game is that I can never take a defender one on one. In real life one single defender is not really all that difficult to skin, especially for say, Ronaldinho and the defender is some scrub from Togo. However in the game, there's no real cutting or controlled moves like in real life. You can either try to run past them, or you can try to pull some complicated spin over the ball, there's no middle ground. That's stupid.
Also in this game it is WAAAAAAAY too easy to score from through balls. I probably get 5 one on one chances per game no matter who I play with or who I play against.
Also in this game it is WAAAAAAAY too easy to score from through balls. I probably get 5 one on one chances per game no matter who I play with or who I play against.
cruzazulfreak
Club Supporter
ummmmm. this may sound stupid, but i dont know how to look at replays???!!! i have 2006 fifa world cup for xbox and i dont know how to look at replays, only on fifa 06 i know how to. HELP!!! PLEASE!!
gamerguy350
Reserve Team
Beery said:
No idea. Fifa is too fats paced, there is never any build up play whatsoever. You bring the ball up, shoot, goalie saves, then they do the same, then you do the same, etc etc.
I'm guessing the reason they say it is too complex to control is because PES takes all that Fifa does and makes it better. Switch person and pass are the same in FIFA, which can make for some uncomfortable moments. Why the need for a seperate stick just for tricks? In PES you can do jukes with the movement stick.
I'll stop now.
gamerguy350, no need no continue; instead, re-read what I wrote in post 9.
Sorry man, but you don't make any sense at all; what you are trying to say is that something in the "controlling" system of FIFA bothers you in some way! Man, it's a SYSTEM, even the FIFA gamer is going to find the controlling system of PES hard to use, very hard indeed.
If you want to compare the 2 games to each other, then please compare the game play and in-match tactical and strategic facts. No offence at all, mate.
EDIT:
1. Have you tried out to put the game speed of FIFA to slow? I play it all the time on slow, and I must tell you, the game now is so damn realistic!
2.
lol, what do you want to see in a soccer game? Real world soccer games have the same thing, and even PES dose!!!!
Sorry man, but you don't make any sense at all; what you are trying to say is that something in the "controlling" system of FIFA bothers you in some way! Man, it's a SYSTEM, even the FIFA gamer is going to find the controlling system of PES hard to use, very hard indeed.
If you want to compare the 2 games to each other, then please compare the game play and in-match tactical and strategic facts. No offence at all, mate.
EDIT:
1. Have you tried out to put the game speed of FIFA to slow? I play it all the time on slow, and I must tell you, the game now is so damn realistic!
2.
gamerguy350 said:
lol, what do you want to see in a soccer game? Real world soccer games have the same thing, and even PES dose!!!!
Dante_1901
Senior Squad
plus4s said:
No it's not. Simply because WE 10 in this case, has several World Cup countries with wrong name players, wrong and default kits, lack of players, etcetera. Right now i'm only playing with european club teams and a couple of licensed NT.
And yes, PES 6 will have the same lack of good DB edition.
Sorry, the PES gameplay is surely the best, but having wrong names and wrong color kits is really annoying. I only find Japan the only good team to play in WE.
So, right now for National Team and World Cup gaming, WC 2006 is the game to have. Maybe is easy to score goals, World Class is the answer then. Slow pacing is really disturbing, but there is always the "Fast" mode. I rather the Normal anyway.
Ending, i had noticed is hard to take one on one the defenders of the other team. I did the same thing that I did in PS1's WE5. I stopped running, get close to the defender, and moved to the left/right direction to get off him.
It works, specially with well atributed players like Ronaldinho, Henry or Totti. Also the PS2 Free-Style right pad works nicely. I'm not complaining, i'm playing WC 2006 for 3 weeks and still is good for me.
gamerguy350
Reserve Team
sa33ood said:gamerguy350, no need no continue; instead, re-read what I wrote in post 9.
Sorry man, but you don't make any sense at all; what you are trying to say is that something in the "controlling" system of FIFA bothers you in some way! Man, it's a SYSTEM, even the FIFA gamer is going to find the controlling system of PES hard to use, very hard indeed.
If you want to compare the 2 games to each other, then please compare the game play and in-match tactical and strategic facts. No offence at all, mate.
EDIT:
1. Have you tried out to put the game speed of FIFA to slow? I play it all the time on slow, and I must tell you, the game now is so damn realistic!
2.
lol, what do you want to see in a soccer game? Real world soccer games have the same thing, and even PES dose!!!!
What I mean is that you literally just bring the ball up, maybe one pass in all that, and then you shoot. No passing the ball trying to open up the defence, no cross field switches, just one pass, then shoot.
Dante, you can easily get all correct teams with one simple patch for PES. Also there is a very good world cup patch out for PES5 too.
Man, gamerguy350, If you bring me a video showing me how you do what you are claiming (one pass and shoot), on the hardest difficulty, I swear to god that I'm going to post a thread saying that I'm stupid. Just bring me a video man.
What you are saying is unbelievable, unbelievable at all... my god, if you hate the game this much, no need to make up stuff...
Lesin I'll not continue the talk until I see what you exactly said in a video file. I'll be waiting.
What you are saying is unbelievable, unbelievable at all... my god, if you hate the game this much, no need to make up stuff...
Lesin I'll not continue the talk until I see what you exactly said in a video file. I'll be waiting.
O'neill said:
Hehe, I didn't realise we had a forum dictator whose likes and dislikes we have to cater to. I'll certainly try to figure out what you like before I post in the future. However, my psychic powers have never been all that good, so I'll probably end up writing WHATEVER THE HELL I WANT.
Slow is good...
I agree with you. I like to switch the game speed to slow also. It seems more realistic that way. Otherwise it seems as if the players are on crack. Anyway, I don't hate PES, in fact I switch to PES last year, only to come back to FIFA this year. In particular due to the graphics. My eyes can't stand the PES grany in-game look (it happened on the previous PES, I don't know about this years version), particularly the pitch (hope they fixed that problem (I play on XBOX). I was dissapointed when I bougt PES and it did not offer HD support for the XBOX version. Again, I hope they fixed that problem. Although, I was about to buy FIFA WC 2006 (for XBOX not the 360) and noticed on the box that it wasn't HD either, not even 480p. This was surprising since FIFA 06 (not the World Cup version) supported HD 720p. So I'll play with what I have until I buy a 360 or PES puts out a HD version for XBOX.
Oh, I have a question. In the 360 version, does FIFA WC 2006 have the correct kits for S. American nation (in particularly Peru)? Thanks for the answers!
sa33ood said:gamerguy350, no need no continue; instead, re-read what I wrote in post 9.
Sorry man, but you don't make any sense at all; what you are trying to say is that something in the "controlling" system of FIFA bothers you in some way! Man, it's a SYSTEM, even the FIFA gamer is going to find the controlling system of PES hard to use, very hard indeed.
If you want to compare the 2 games to each other, then please compare the game play and in-match tactical and strategic facts. No offence at all, mate.
EDIT:
1. Have you tried out to put the game speed of FIFA to slow? I play it all the time on slow, and I must tell you, the game now is so damn realistic!
2.
lol, what do you want to see in a soccer game? Real world soccer games have the same thing, and even PES dose!!!!
I agree with you. I like to switch the game speed to slow also. It seems more realistic that way. Otherwise it seems as if the players are on crack. Anyway, I don't hate PES, in fact I switch to PES last year, only to come back to FIFA this year. In particular due to the graphics. My eyes can't stand the PES grany in-game look (it happened on the previous PES, I don't know about this years version), particularly the pitch (hope they fixed that problem (I play on XBOX). I was dissapointed when I bougt PES and it did not offer HD support for the XBOX version. Again, I hope they fixed that problem. Although, I was about to buy FIFA WC 2006 (for XBOX not the 360) and noticed on the box that it wasn't HD either, not even 480p. This was surprising since FIFA 06 (not the World Cup version) supported HD 720p. So I'll play with what I have until I buy a 360 or PES puts out a HD version for XBOX.
Oh, I have a question. In the 360 version, does FIFA WC 2006 have the correct kits for S. American nation (in particularly Peru)? Thanks for the answers!