Liioadin's national teams (cmp files)

[mrliioadin]

Why have you put a wrong stadium for Indian national team.Don't you know they have the second highest capacity stadium in the world.
See this:

You have misplaced the jerseys for them

You should improve the players ratings specially of Bhaichung Bhutia because he has won AFC Player of the year of Developing nations in on two occasions,
But still you done a good job.It would be good if you just update India a little bit.If I wanted I could have change them but it is a matter of India's prestige.
Sorry but this great country does'nt deserve this.
Thanks..

India was made using the old attributes system. It lumped entire nations together based on their ranking. It did not identify star players or anything to that effect. However, when making over 150 teams it is difficult to get each one as accurate as they could otherwise be. This kind of feedback is exactly what I need and your comments are in line with my thinking when I developed the new attribute system.

As well, even the new attribute system isn't perfect. It still needs some work so PLEASE stay on me guys. If you see changes that need to be made let me know and I will incorpoarte them.

Team chemistries will stay the same. That is based on the teams ranking. Perhaps in the future I will do a poll of sorts to rerank the teams but for now it is pretty close to accurate.

 

[mrliioadin]

Anyway I also wanted to reiterate (sp?)... the primary goal is to get all 208 teams released... For now, while I finish that, please be happy that there is a India national team, or a Tahiti, Vanuatu, Swaziland, Madagascar, Bolivia, Venezuela, Cayman Islands, Turks and Caicos Islands. etc etc.

The secondary goal is to get the rosters researched and very believable which will be a LOT easier now that FIFAworldcup.com is back up, though they still have some work to do.

 

[Metfanant]

India was made using the old attributes system. It lumped entire nations together based on their ranking. It did not identify star players or anything to that effect. However, when making over 150 teams it is difficult to get each one as accurate as they could otherwise be. This kind of feedback is exactly what I need and your comments are in line with my thinking when I developed the new attribute system.

As well, even the new attribute system isn't perfect. It still needs some work so PLEASE stay on me guys. If you see changes that need to be made let me know and I will incorpoarte them.

Team chemistries will stay the same. That is based on the teams ranking. Perhaps in the future I will do a poll of sorts to rerank the teams but for now it is pretty close to accurate.

I just feel that players are slightly overrated....maybe it is just me, but to give players a 99 rating seems too much...nobody is that good in my opinion...it also leaves NO room for growth in career modes...I think EA for ratings pretty good with Brazil, Italy, France, Germany etc. in the mid 80's. Any higher than that is crazy to me...


also, about India...is currently ranked 165th by FIFA...and while India may be arguably a "great nation" as was stated...to give them anywhere near a solid ranking would be a crime to the other teams...to IMAGINE them being even of similar caliber to a team like Italy, Germany, France, Brazil, Czech Republic, England, or just about any other random European nation...or even the USA or Mexico is a complete stretch....

I understand wanting your favorite team to be good and on some sort of level playing field with the rest of the world, but I think the effort here is to strive for the most accurate patch possible...and honestly teams like India or anyone else on the 4th page of the FIFA rankings is a weak side and deserve a low ranking....

 

[mrliioadin]

The point is I have no room to work with. How do I make an Netherlands national team that won't get beat by Andorra???? We are talking about 208 national teams (affiliated) with 23 players a team. I have 4784 players I need to spread out over a 99 attribute points. If they increase the scale then I will have more room to work with but they haven't.

By the way your players at a 99 do still grow and increase their other skills.. strikers get better at midfield abilities, and defensive abilities for example. The problem is the scale which is set down by EA not me.

You're looking at the netherlands national team... I'm looking at all 6 confederations with a total of 200+ teams. You gotta take a look at the big picture.

 

[Metfanant]

im a little confused....you make 208 national teams...this is correct, and I think you are doing a wonderful job....

but to say the rankings system doesn't give you enough play is crazy....

EA makes it work with the club teams....

the way you make it so the Netherlands does not get beat by Andorra is simple...The Netherlands are good Andorra is awful, so they get an awful ranking....and the Netherlands gets a good one...

Andorra is ranked 161 by FIFA The Netherlands is ranked 6th...

as gauges the People's Republic of China is ranked 73rd....and Germany is ranked 5th...

China has an overall of 68 and a Chemistry of 60....well guess what...Andorra should be in the LOW 60's as a national team...maybe the 50's....thats how you keep them from beating the Netherlands...

While the Netherlands should be in the low to mid 80's to coincide roughly with their ranking....

While the FIFA rankings are FAR from perfect it def. gives you a basis to work with....you get the occasional anomaly like going into the World Cup with the US ranked VERY high, and Italy out of the top 10...but you get an idea...

 

[TheEzrahite17]

I get an error when I try to import a team that is not already listed in the country list (Martinique, Guadeloupe, etc.). How can I fix this?

 

[Metfanant]

I get an error when I try to import a team that is not already listed in the country list (Martinique, Guadeloupe, etc.). How can I fix this?

gotta add the country first...

 

[mrliioadin]

Look.

I've spent several nights up til 4 AM (cause I can't sleep for hell anyway) trying to hash all of this out. I've put in a ton of hours making teams and working out how attributes will work keeping in mind Double digit results between two OFC nations in the first round and 31-0 results that are possible between Australia and American Samoa. There is no way possible to get that kind of realism in the game. Try playing a fair game between Australia and American Samoa or any two teams for that matter and getting 25 goals out of it. You might be able to do it in a 10 minute match on Amatuer but it's hard as hell to try to recreate that. As soon as I start pulling them closer together (which is exactly what happens if I knock off values at the top of the list) I bring their abilities closer together, or I loose the capacity to expand into NF-Board teams and lower division clubs.

Put some real effort into it, go come up with a better system. We'll crunch the numbers and see if we can't get a better system worked out. But don't tell me EA's got it figured out when you find values like this in ai.ini.

// ranges for attributes
ATTRIBUTE_AVG = 60
ATTRIBUTE_GOOD = 90
ATTRIBUTE_EX = 95

And don't tell me my system is crap when I've done the work and you haven't.

I respect suggestions and am absolutely willing to work with anyone who can be reasonable about the creation of these teams on a global scale. But if you just don't like it cause it's different, and you can't put the work into it to try to work out something better, then you can edit the players yourself and do your own thing with it but this arguement to this point is wasting my time.

The point is, I've obviously spent a fair bit of time on this. You downloaded one team, saw that everything was different, decided you didn't like it and came on here bashin the patch.

 

[mrliioadin]

If anyone likes, This is the gameplay I use.

Situation.ini

Save this file to your MAIN fifa folder. It will override all EA default gameplays. More than likely your main FIFA folder is:

CProgram_Files\EA_Sports\FIFA 07

All I did was adjust the RANGES FOR ATTRIBUTES settings and double all values for the values related to them. This helps a little but again is not perfect.

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Burundi - Home kit by Makispla, Temporary Away kit by me.

Gambia - Kits by Makispla.

Our Teams: 141
Total Teams: 182

 

[Dipanjan]

Ya, you all are right but you should at the least change the stadium when you are all finished up with everything.
Thanks and Well Done for what you have done.

 

[Biebrich 02]

You downloaded one team, saw that everything was different, decided you didn't like it and came on here bashin the patch.

That's the point. These cmp patches aren't made for people who just want to add netherlands or japan to the game. You should want to install a wide selection of ntional teams, then these values make perfectly sense.

i thgink it's a cmp bug that teams are automatically assigned to the training ground.

 

[mrliioadin]

That's the point. These cmp patches aren't made for people who just want to add netherlands or japan to the game. You should want to install a wide selection of ntional teams, then these values make perfectly sense.

i thgink it's a cmp bug that teams are automatically assigned to the training ground.

I haven't seen CM07 resetting stadiums when I transfer files from my laptop to desktop... It may not be a universal bug or something. But I haven't set any teams HOME stadium to the training grounds.

I do my best with stadiums but you guys know which generic stadium is closest to yours far better than I would know just by looking at stubs on wikipedia or something and changing something like a stadium takes about a minute. I try to do my best and when we begin working on COMPLETE packs for each national team we will have much more time to break all of this down.

I think the majority of the changes to national teams will take place when they participate in tournaments though. I am going to begin working on the gold cup today and it is a great way to kind of reset any mistakes and fix any problems and then rerelease the team with their most recent tournament and an accurate roster for that tourny.

 

[mrliioadin]

Biachung Bhutia (India)

Normally Indian's receive no more than a rating of 37 for First Division players. As you brought to my attention he has been named AFC player of the year for developing nations on more than one occasion. Since the highest league rating for any developing nation is 57, Bhutia has a rating of 58now.

I made him the captain and put him as the lone striker in a 5-4-1 formation on my PC and this team will be rereleased at a later date. In the meantime ANY more information from India would be very helpful.

Also for those of you that are in Asia if you can jott down any rosters for your opponents... If you take on Bhutan or Thailand or anyone like that... Jott down some notes on who played, their position, take note of anyone that impresses you.

I am recording and archiving every international game I can get starting this weekend with the Brazil - England match. I finally got my DVD recorder and can really start keeping a record for these teams. I got a ton of information from the Germany - San Marino game that will help when I make San Marino and the Latvia - Spain match is recording now, it should help considerably when updating Latvia's roster.

The problem is I will never hear anything from Asia except maybe the 30 minute "Football Asia" show they put on Fox Soccer Channel every now and again. If you guys can help just by watching, recording, and taking notes on any games you watch it will make a huge difference.

You too August... You get a ton of matches I don't.

 

[StevePitts]

All I did was adjust the RANGES FOR ATTRIBUTES settings and double all values for the values related to them. This helps a little but again is not perfect

Possibly not surprising given that at least half the parameters changed are almost certainly not used in FIFA 07 (the TRAP ones don't appear anywhere in the .EXE, best as I can tell). In fact, I'd like to hope that none of them are, because if the players are just broken down into three or four groupings for such things then the granularity attainable is going to be really poor

 

[mrliioadin]

I kinda had that feeling about the trapdistance ones... I think it's probably a great way to tell the difference between a bad team and a good one on the pitch. The good team very often wins the ball back quickly because of speed, stamina, and capitolizing on poor first touches.

EA's AI could be better in terms of the quality of a great team vs a good one vs 11 players thrown together at the pub. But it is much better over 2005 or '06

 

[mrliioadin]

I am working on the Gold Cup patch now and just needed a place to keep track of the changes I was making. The bonus for you is you get some bit info about the pack early to increase anticipation. I will add to this as I go.

Canada - New kits and flags by Makispla, New minikits by Walrus. Full 23 man roster with reworked attributes using the League Based Rating System (LBRS).

Costa Rica - New shaper Logos for frontend and in game by me. New Lotto Kits (~sob~ i loved the joma kits) by Xisco. New Minikits and flags by Walrus_Sip. Full 23 man roster with new attributes using the LBRS. I had heard Paulo Wanchope had retired. It seems that he hasn't so he's been added to the roster. His attribute ratings are outside the limits of his club according to the LBRS. I'm doing this because I think he's the best striker in CONCACAF and this is consistent with the "old guys playing down" clause as I'm now calling it. (Beckham - MLS for example).

Guadeloupe - New flags by Walrus_Sip

Haiti - New flags by Walrus_Sip (opted not to include the new kits, we have no minikits for them)

Guatemala - New Sharper logos by me. New Minikits by Walrus_Sip. Full 23 man roster with new attributes based on LBRS.

Trinidad & Tobago - New Sharper Logos by me. New Minikits by Walrus_Sip. Full 23 man roster with new attributes based on the LBRS.

El Salvador - New Frontend Logo by me. New Minikits by Walrus_Sip. New Flags by Makispla. New attributes based on the LBRS.

Honduras - New Minikits by Walrus_Sip, New Sharper Logos. a full 23 Man roster with new attributes based on the LBRS.

Cuba - New Minikits by August. New Sharper Logos. A Full 23 Man Roster with new attributes using the LBRS. New flags by Walrus_Sip.

Panama - New Minikits by Walrus_Sip. New Shaper Logos. Full 23 Man Roster with new attributes using the LBRS.

United States - Perfectly matches the 23 man roster participating in the Gold Cup as well as reduced several player attributes to fit the American Skill Level a bit better utilizing a recent adjustment to my LBRS known as the "Domestic Player Rule" which is being tested first on the US Squad in this patch.

 

[Biebrich 02]

The problem is I will never hear anything from Asia except maybe the 30 minute "Football Asia" show they put on Fox Soccer Channel every now and again.
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You too August... You get a ton of matches I don't.

I doubt that... apart from being able to visit european matches when i have time and money i rarely see any matches. german tv only shows german matches and sometimes matches from our group opponents, like Wales v Czech R yesterday. which i missed because i was in nürnberg for germany v san marino.

I can only dream of shows like "Football Asia". In france they have a show about african football. we don't get such stuff. The only exception are some tournaments like african cup of nations or the doha games this winter. eurospor shows those matches.

Besides, i have no own tv

In fact, I'd like to hope that none of them are, because if the players are just broken down into three or four groupings for such things then the granularity attainable is going to be really poor

Better than nothing. But I am quite sure none of them are used. You can change the speed values extremely without a visible effect.

But like liio said, this aspect of the gameplay improved compared to earlier editions.

 

[mrliioadin]

When I do notice a difference is resetting the values I listed

ATTRIBUTES FOR RANGES

I think dropping mine down to 80 60 40 really made a difference. I played a match USA vs Grenada I think it was... Anyway the first game (before I changed anything) was 1-0. I changed it and the Americans just seemed faster... They were buzzing around the ball and one 3 or 4-1 if I remember correctly. What I do remember was feeling like the Americans were closing people down a bit quicker.

 

[SAMUELKATALAN]

Do you have all Uefa teams????

 

[mrliioadin]

I have 12 UEFA teams left to make. They make up the bulk of what I have left Sam. I'm taking today to try to finish the Gold Cup since it starts on Wednesday but I plan to get back to work on the Eighth National Team Pack tomorrow. I hope to get it done within a couple of days since the remaining Asian teams should be very easy.