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That's right. Fergie needed time when he was first appointed.
And while I would say Benitez has had his fair share of errors, he certainly is taking you guys forward. Which is probably why you should let him be and let him get on with his stuff.
Look what constant manager sackings has done to Chelsea or Real Madrid.
 

kp41

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1966+2006;2623598 said:
That's right. Fergie needed time when he was first appointed.
And while I would say Benitez has had his fair share of errors, he certainly is taking you guys forward. Which is probably why you should let him be and let him get on with his stuff.
Look what constant manager sackings has done to Chelsea or Real Madrid.

but it's not useful all the times. Look at milan, ancelloti is there for so many years but he wasn't successfull in serie a unlike ucl. I think it depends to the management and expectations. Real and Chelsea just want trophies so they sack they managers (same as successfull managers who won trophies) after few bad results. but teams like Arsenal trust their manager and give him time to make revoloution in their squad. I can't say which one is right? but there is no middle cases.
 

Lean

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Respect Rafa Benitez. He managed to win the La Liga twice with Valencia, not to mention the UEFA Cup. He took us to two CL finals (winning one) and one semifinal in 4 seasons at Liverpool and completely changed the mentality at the club. He made us remember how great we are, period.

He makes some mistakes, mistakes i've already talked about here, and to add another one, his starting line-up at Pompey was comedy gold. But anyway, we got away with it. As for Ferguson, brilliant manager even though i cant stand him.

You know, i bet the same people that treat him like a god were calling for his head when he started his Man Utd career. If the year was 2009 and Manchester United were in the same position they were at Ferguson's debut season (over 25 years ago), the Scot would have no job by now. Because you people didnt manage to break into the top ten. So give Rafa some credit, he won the CL and the FA Cup in his debut season, ok? Thanks.
 

thelordspawn

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Kibe Kru;2621753 said:
managers make crap buys. Veron didn't fit in well, did he? Forlan? Kleberson? Saha?

What you said actually makes Liverpool look less guilty. Keane was good enough at Spurs, Liverpool buys him, he doesn't fit in, Liverpool sell him. It would be no good keeping him. The only thing Liverpool did wrong, imho, is not having signed a replacement, leaving us a bit short of options up front.

Forlan was never given a chance. How can you expect a striker who rarely plays to be a hit at a club? Veron did decent but was the only poor signing i recall SAF ever making. Saha Was REALLY good when he was given a chance which was rarely. Forlan and Saha were signed as backup strikers not as Man U's main strikers. though when Forlan got a chance he didn't do to well. He just wasn't ready yet for EPL especially with such limited chances or just doesn't fit into EPL. Whenever Saha was fit and got a chance he played brilliantly most of the time. He just has was unfortunate to keep getting injured. (probably due to lack of play time and bad luck.).

Now Pretty much every single signing Benitzes has made sucked. i really hope Liverpool sack benitez and hire a manager who can bring out liverpools true potential.
 

Lean

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Yea, Ferguson doesnt make poor signings. Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, world-beaters turned out of depth Veron and Blanc, Forlan (he started some matches at EPL and at Cup competitions, come on, even you Man Utd fans say he wouldnt score in a brothel, now he hasnt been given a opportunity? ha!), and i'm saying that from the top of my mind.

Benitez signed Reina who's been our starter for several years already, he signed Torres, Alonso, Arbeloa (want it or not, he's a Spain international and he's good enough for the EPL), Benayoun who's a good performer for us, Skrtel (quality defender), Mascherano, Dirk Kuyt, so i dont really see where you're coming from. You're talking about the signings that have sucked, but they're youngsters for christ sake. Lucas, Babel, Ngog and co. cant be considered terrible signings, all of them have shown potential and quality (Ngog not so much but well...). At the moment there's a lot of fringe players at the club, yes, but they have potential.

They're not supposed to be world beaters right now. We're talking about squad depth here. The only signings that can be considered as failures at the moment are Voronin and Cavalieri, even tho the latter has lots of potential and you cant blame a goalkeeper for screwing up when he plays once for one-two months. Riera is so-so, ok. Anyway, hardly everyone sucks huh?

Take into account that Man Utd have more money at their disposal for signings and usually get their top targets whilst we have to settle for second/third option players because we have insufficient funds.
 
Lean;2623658 said:
Yea, Ferguson doesnt make poor signings. Djemba-Djemba, Kleberson, world-beaters turned out of depth Veron and Blanc, Forlan (he started some matches at EPL and at Cup competitions

I completely agree that there have been some awful signings.
But I think Blanc was a brilliant signing. He was immense with Ferdinand from 2001-2003. I really don't understand why everyone says that he was such a bad signing.
 

thelordspawn

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is World Cup performances led to Scolari declaring Kléberson the driving force behind Brazil's Cup winning side, and drew interest from several English and Scottish teams. Newcastle United, Leeds United and Celtic all expressed an interest. Leeds failed to secure the signing after Kléberson decided against leaving Brazil without his girlfriend, who he was unable to marry until her 16th birthday. Eventually, it was Manchester United who signed Kléberson for a fee of £6.5 million. Seen as a replacement for Juan Sebastián Verón, Kléberson was injured in his second appearance for the club and made only 28 for the club in total. During his time at United

When SAF signed him he was a really really good player. and just in his 2nd appearace got injured and just couldn't find his form again After that.
I didn't say SAF hasn't made any bad Trasnfers but rarely.

Blanc was a great player. Djemba-Djemba was a bench warmer never really got a chance. When you play once a blue moon hwo can you expect to do any good and improve as a player?

If you want Talented players to become superstars they have to get alot of playtime not a run in here and there. Just with all the talent man united had when they signed these players. They all Never got any Consistant playtime. You can't expect a player who doesnt get regular playtime. to reach their true potential at the club. you gotta get a momentum/chemistry/something going. It's Difficult for a player to have confidence when they aren't getting played much and that affects their performance big time. But when Fergie signed Djemba-djemba saha forlan etc. they weren't signed to replace first team players. They were backups and Potential replacements.
 

Lean

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You people love to say those fellas never really had a chance. They had chances, and everytime they started, you know what happened. From the point of view they were signed to be potential replacements, they were failures aswell, as none of them could replace the first teamers in the long term.

As for Djemba-Djemba, he had the chance to "prove himself" at Aston Villa. He did, by proving that he was out of his depth like everyone said. Crap signing by Ferguson, period.

As the topic here is Liverpool Football Club, enough talking about that. Anyway, just read today that Agger might buy out his own contract and leave in case his situation doesnt improve at Liverpool. Apparently he's got fed up being a bench player and he's complaining that "Rafa doesnt let him play."
 

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Lean;2624749 said:
...Agger might buy out his own contract and leave in case his situation doesnt improve at Liverpool. Apparently he's got fed up being a bench player and he's complaining that "Rafa doesnt let him play."

That is AWFUL!!! I want him to stay.
 

Kibe Kru

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funny reading how lucky we are every time we get three points, and how unlucky they are whenever they make a crap buy.

It'd be a shame to see Agger leaving, quality defender.
 

Kibe Kru

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thelordspawn;2625011 said:
AHAHAHA Benitez Compare to Fergie good one. funniest **** ive read today.

Thank you! It doesn't compare to this one, though:

thelordspawn;2625001 said:
#1. The Obvious every other second Italian player clearly diving and stupid refs falling for it every single time and giving FK. Italian players doing much worse tackles to other teams and Ref not calling it. USA game De Rossi punched guy in face and got red. Then an USA player got RED card for nor reason at all the REF just gave him a red card for the sake of it max he should've got is yellow even that was being harsh. Also pretty much every single time an Italian player went down which 98% of the time was dives the ref called fk instantly. You have to be naive and stupid not to see the obvious max fixing Italy did in every single one of their matches. The max fixing Scandal in Italy is all the evidence you need.

Not only that how does the world champions right after the world cup out of the blue cant even beat luxemborg (and should've lost) and can't win other matches. No world champion team goes from winning world cup to right after struggling and failing to beat weak teams like luxemborg. Just doesn't happen unless they completely revamp the team which the team stayed the same. That just doesn't happen unless they "won" the cup not on their skill/ability but paid and/or mega biased reffing and all around poor reffing winning the games for them.

just accept it Italy bought the world cup and you know it. I can Easily make a video of all the 1 million italian dives and 99% of the it ref called it in Italy's favor and all the Dirty/bad Tackles Italy made and ref didn't call but that'll take forever plus i don't know how to make videos anyway.

If the REF's weren't paid in all their matches than magically all the refs in their matches were Supremly Biased towards Italy.

Think of it as your Ferguson to my Benitez....
 

Zakov

Senior Squad
ignorance is bliss my friends....just because someone posts, it doesn't mean that u have to read...:D
....unless its quoted :(
 


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