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Manchester United Thread [2008/2009]

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pede54

Team Captain
Thats why you my friend, will always be a thicko. You don't understand anything at all, but to hide your ignorance you simply say...."We don't care".

When you get older you might begin to understand things better. I knew I was expecting too much from certain idiots in this thread. Just kids who don't have a clue yet.

Now if you ignore this post, I will not return here. Do you at least understand that. Just don't respond geddit?
 

thetrooper37

Senior Squad
^ yeah seriously...this guy is stuck in some imaginary world where footballers are supposed to be highly educated, forgiving, moral beings. They get paid to kick the ball Pede, most of them don't even have a complete high school education.


"because you, like your club, do not posses any of those attributes either" Are you ******* kidding me man? Let me remind you that YOU do NOT = all Chelsea fans. You seem to think that just because you lose sleep over a player taking a dive, then so do all Chelsea fans.


"I can't tell that player how to behave, that's the clubs job, but one thing is for sure, you will never hear me defend anti sporting behaviour from my team or any other team." - right, neither do we. We're simply trying to tell your ignorant mind that in the Bolton game, Ronaldo didn't dive. Even neutrals have stated so in this thread.


I didn't read that whole speech btw my response would probably be way too long.
 

Payaah

Starting XI
pede54;2577139 said:
OK let me explain sportsmanship to you, seeing as you obviously do not know the meaning of the word. I can give you 2 examples I remember from fairly recent memory.

Paulo DeCanio when playing for West Ham recieved the ball from the wing, and was in a goalscoring position, when he noticed that the opposing GK was flat on the ground having been injured in a goalmouth scuffle seconds before. When the pass came to DeCanio he didn't shoot at goal as everyone expected him to. Instead he picked up the ball, looked to the ref and told him that the GK needed attention.

He had an open goal IF he would have chosen to go for it but he didn't. He stopped the game for the sake of the opposing GK.

A few years ago in an FA Cup game ( I can't remember the teams involved), one team was given a goal when actually the ball went under the side netting before coming to rest in the goal mouth. The team that was awarded the goal insisted to the ref that the goal should not have stood, but the ref had already given it and couldn't change his mind.

The 2 teams had a short chat in the center circle, and the team who were now 1-0 down kicked off the game again. Suddenly all the opposing players parted like the Red Sea, and allowed the losing team to run towards the goal, where the GK made no effort to save the equaliser.

That is sportsmanship. It does happen, and it probably happens a lot more than we hear about.

For a player to be able to demonstrate sportsmanship in the heat of the game, he is required to have integrity, honesty, a sense of fair play and scruples.

Those are 4 attributes that seem to have gone missing from our game of late, and the reason that Ronaldo still popped in his goal was because he does not possess any one of those attributes, and the reason why you guys think that sportsmanship is for mugs, or in Help's words is "Childish", is because you, like your club, do not posses any of those attributes either, at least where sport is concerned.

You believe in win at all costs, and you really don't care how that win is accomplished. We have seen enough of United over the last few seasons to recognise how cynical and nasty the team can be in their desperation to win.

If a team were good enough, they wouldn't need to rely so much on winning games by underhand means. They would be good enough to win without that. Man U obviously is not that team.

AsmodaiPlay. I've always been Drogba's biggest critic when it comes to cheating, as I was with Robben and any other Chelsea player who disgraced my club by diving. It's all there in the Chelsea thread if you wanna take a look.

I have never condoned unsporting behaviour at any time or from any team, including my own. It brings disgrace to the club. End of.

The thing is this. We as fans are not responsible for what any player who plays for our club does. I always hope that they will act in a way that honours the club, and not in a way that will bring disgrace upon it. When a Chelsea player does not live up to that for whatever reason, I will not simply ignore it and support the player just because he plays for Chelsea.

I can't tell that player how to behave, that's the clubs job, but one thing is for sure, you will never hear me defend anti sporting behaviour from my team or any other team.

Integrity, Honesty, Fair play and scruples.

Even if our players do not understand the concept of that any more, we as fans should still be able to demonstrate those attributes. Thats if you had them to begin with of course.

Now I'm gonna drop this because I really don't think there are that many Man U fans in here, who are actually interested or indeed even understand WTF I am talking about.

You can have your thread back. Cheers.(Y)
I know what sportmanship is man. I gave Arsenal diving example to say that its lame to attack a team for being divers when your team clearly does the same thing. In this case you attacking United for no sportmanship like as if Chelsea have one. I noticed you havent answered Help? question on Drogba...

Oh how about last year CL final you guys kicked the ball out instead of giving it back and few minutes later Tevez did the same thing causing the Chelsea players to go crazy and Drogba sent off. Is that sportmanship? Kicking the ball out instead of passing it back in the first place?

btw that in bold, its clear you really dislike United. Attack at every opportunity eh?
 

thetrooper37

Senior Squad
Oh and I just saw this one:

"You believe in win at all costs, and you really don't care how that win is accomplished. We have seen enough of United over the last few seasons to recognise how cynical and nasty the team can be in their desperation to win."

you'd have to be saying the same about Chelsea...if you actually won anything. I'm not gonna forget the team's antics under Mourinho and even last season but you didn't see me coming into the thread and moaning as to how I'm such a higher human being and wouldn't do this or that.
 

pede54

Team Captain
Education has nothing to do with it mate. If you never learned those positive attributes from your parents, then WTF were your parents doing as you grew up?

I come from a poor working class background. My parents had little education, and my own was also not so great. That didn't stop my parents teaching me about right and wrong. You place to much importance on a formal education, rather than appreciate the more important things in life that can be attained outside of education.

Just because I don't agree with you, that gives me an "ignorant mind"? Good argument mate.:D

Fan Boys......what has it all come down to.....shame.
 

pede54

Team Captain
Payaah;2577153 said:
I know what sportmanship is man. I gave Arsenal diving example to say that its lame to attack a team for being divers when your team clearly does the same thing. In this case you attacking United for no sportmanship like as if Chelsea have one. I noticed you havent answered Help? question on Drogba...

Oh how about last year CL final you guys kicked the ball out instead of giving it back and few minutes later Tevez did the same thing causing the Chelsea players to go crazy and Drogba sent off. Is that sportmanship? Kicking the ball out instead of passing it back in the first place?

btw that in bold, its clear you really dislike United. Attack at every opportunity eh?

Do you have a life outside of Man U? If not get one.

I answered Help's point on Drogba pal. Go back and read my post SLOWLY, so all the words sink in.
 

pede54

Team Captain
thetrooper37;2577155 said:
Oh and I just saw this one:

"You believe in win at all costs, and you really don't care how that win is accomplished. We have seen enough of United over the last few seasons to recognise how cynical and nasty the team can be in their desperation to win."

you'd have to be saying the same about Chelsea...if you actually won anything. I'm not gonna forget the team's antics under Mourinho and even last season but you didn't see me coming into the thread and moaning as to how I'm such a higher human being and wouldn't do this or that.

That because you are not a higher human being mate. Simple.:D
 

thetrooper37

Senior Squad
^ I believe education DOES have a lot to do with it. Again, different opinions, right? I've come from a poor background too and let me tell you, I'm one of the most honest people you'll ever meet. When I play the game with friends, a feud over whether it's a foul, goal, etc. would always be decided by me because everyone knows I don't lie.

And yes pede, I think you're ignorant. Why? Because, like I keep saying time and time again, Chelsea are not any mightier than United in the sportsmanship table yet you somehow manage to trick yourself into believing so.

I'm not saying there was a penalty for us BTW, I'm simply saying Ronaldo didn't dive. Very, very few people would have put that ball over the net on purpose. I've never seen that happen in a professional situation and I've seen a LOT of unfair penalties. Obviously Ronaldo is no Jesus but that doesn't mean he cheated against Bolton.
 

thetrooper37

Senior Squad
pede54;2577160 said:
That because you are not a higher human being mate. Simple.:D

right. Too bad you missed my point. I was implying that you think that YOU are a higher human being. And you're not. Simple :D
 

pede54

Team Captain
And yes pede, I think you're ignorant. Why? Because, like I keep saying time and time again, Chelsea are not any mightier than United in the sportsmanship table yet you somehow manage to trick yourself into believing so.

If you had bothered to read my post mate, you would have noticed that I said that I cannot dictate how a Chelsea player behaves, but if he behaves badly then I will never defend him over the issue whatever it may be. Drogba's sending off in the CL Final was a good example. I would have sold him in the summer because his attitude stinks as far as I am concerned, and I don't care how many goals he scores, he will always be a pratt.

That is a lot different than the way you fan boys rally round in support of a Man U player whatever he might do. Lack of integrity you see.
 

thetrooper37

Senior Squad
Let me also quote myself again:
"Let me remind you that YOU do NOT = all Chelsea fans. You seem to think that just because you lose sleep over a player taking a dive, then so do all Chelsea fans."

your posts put across the impression that YOU are the representation of ALL Chelsea fans, and staff. Everyone but Drogba and Robben it seems. I'm sure I could find a United fan who would write a post like this:

"is because you, like your club, do not posses any of those attributes either, at least where sport is concerned."

"You believe in win at all costs, and you really don't care how that win is accomplished. We have seen enough of Chelsea over the last few seasons to recognise how cynical and nasty the team can be in their desperation to win."

"If a team were good enough, they wouldn't need to rely so much on winning games by underhand means. They would be good enough to win without that. Chelsea obviously is not that team. "


sound familiar?
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
pede54;2576963 said:
Yeah, Ronaldo felt so bad about it that he decided to slam the ball into the back of the net. He could have put it wide or high, if he actually had any bad feelings about it.
That’s insane! If it happened to a Chelsea player, I don’t think you would say that.

pede54;2577163 said:
I said that I cannot dictate how a Chelsea player behaves, but if he behaves badly then I will never defend him over the issue whatever it may be.
That is a lot different than the way you fan boys rally round in support of a Man U player whatever he might do. Lack of integrity you see.

Please don’t get us wrong. We are NOT trying to defend Ronaldo. We are just saying that it wasn’t a dive. This is our opinion and MOST neutral people think it’s not a dive. You are saying it’s a dive because you are obviously biased, you have to admit it, but it’s ok for us, everyone have their own opinion, so just chill. We respect your opinion.
 

Help?

Fan Favourite
pede54;2577139 said:
For a player to be able to demonstrate sportsmanship in the heat of the game, he is required to have integrity, honesty, a sense of fair play and scruples.

Those are 4 attributes that seem to have gone missing from our game of late, and the reason that Ronaldo still popped in his goal was because he does not possess any one of those attributes, and the reason why you guys think that sportsmanship is for mugs, or in Help's words is "Childish", is because you, like your club, do not posses any of those attributes either, at least where sport is concerned.

You believe in win at all costs, and you really don't care how that win is accomplished. We have seen enough of United over the last few seasons to recognise how cynical and nasty the team can be in their desperation to win.

If a team were good enough, they wouldn't need to rely so much on winning games by underhand means. They would be good enough to win without that. Man U obviously is not that team.

AsmodaiPlay. I've always been Drogba's biggest critic when it comes to cheating, as I was with Robben and any other Chelsea player who disgraced my club by diving. It's all there in the Chelsea thread if you wanna take a look.

I have never condoned unsporting behaviour at any time or from any team, including my own. It brings disgrace to the club. End of.

The thing is this. We as fans are not responsible for what any player who plays for our club does. I always hope that they will act in a way that honours the club, and not in a way that will bring disgrace upon it. When a Chelsea player does not live up to that for whatever reason, I will not simply ignore it and support the player just because he plays for Chelsea.

I can't tell that player how to behave, that's the clubs job, but one thing is for sure, you will never hear me defend anti sporting behaviour from my team or any other team.

Integrity, Honesty, Fair play and scruples.


Pete, i think you are getting way too caried away over an incident that happens week in week out. Talking about education and how people are brought up now! The fact that you were only able to recall 2 incidents of real fair play from like the past 10 seasons of thousands and thousands of games involving top level teams says a lot about everybody and NOT Ronaldo + United. The Di Canio incident is still being talked about to this day even though it happened like 8 years ago, which shows that you shouldn't expect that kind of integrity from ANY football player out there. Chelsea didn't show that kind of integrity themselves, but i don't here you attacking them, do I? Again, you turned a small argument into an attack on United and their honesty. They are not the most honest team in the world, they are not by far and you know what? I don't care about it. You wonna call me dishonest myself because i don't care? Well, then you are dishonest too, because i'm just like you, i defend my club, just like you defend yours. United overall have the same level of integrity as does Chelsea, as does Arsenal, as does Liverpool. The fact that Ronaldo, one of the biggest divers in EPL that whines about every single foul and dive, actually got tripped and even apologised to the defender, should be considered at the very least honest. Big things happen in small steps (i'm not implying that Ronaldo will ever cut out diving).

If it was Chelsea and Drogba in that situation, you might have said that you are embarassed to get such a penalty kick, but really you would still take it because it would allow your team to stay in the race and not fall further behind midtable and you wouldn't lose much sleep over it. So if you wouldn't then don't expect us too. Would i rather have a clean penalty? Sure, but this things happen to EVERYBODY and if Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool or anybody else doesn't want to by your understanding take the "high road" then why should we?
 

Pogba4Now

Team Captain
Man Utd players didn't want a penalty according to what Kevin Nolan said..

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_4210209,00.html

"Ronaldo was on the floor saying, 'I didn't want a penalty!'," said Nolan in the Daily Mail.

"I don't think one of them put their hands up asking for a penalty. Fletcher's going, 'It's not a penalty', Tevez is going, 'It's not a penalty'. Twenty players who were in the box at the time knew it wasn't a penalty.

That's from a player who was from the opposition.. So pede, you cannot question Man Utd's honesty and sportsmanship when you do not even know what happened on the pitch. This article shows that Man Utd players were at least honest about this incident... If not, they would have asked for a penalty. But at the end of the day, its the refree's decision. We can't do anything about it.
 

Help?

Fan Favourite
Nah, i sympathize with Bolton, but these things happen to everybody in their favour and against their favour, that's the price we pay for technology-less refereeing.
 

thetrooper37

Senior Squad
CR_manutd;2577194 said:
Man Utd players didn't want a penalty according to what Kevin Nolan said..

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_4210209,00.html



That's from a player who was from the opposition.. So pede, you cannot question Man Utd's honesty and sportsmanship when you do not even know what happened on the pitch. This article shows that Man Utd players were at least honest about this incident... If not, they would have asked for a penalty. But at the end of the day, its the refree's decision. We can't do anything about it.

OK this right here should be end of discussion.


Does anyone know why Neville isn't with the Champions League squad? I just read in a headline that he didn't travel.
 

sparebenzs

Club Supporter
according to boss alex, neville suffered a slight strain ankle.. but he'll be ok for Blackburn on saturday...

wes brown will replace G. Neville...
 

MikeyM

Big Daddy
thetrooper37;2577200 said:
OK this right here should be end of discussion.


Does anyone know why Neville isn't with the Champions League squad? I just read in a headline that he didn't travel.

He's being given time to recover and has a slight ankle knock. Hargreaves is suffering from tendonitis in his knee still.

Other than those two, Foster and Possebon we have a fit squad I think.
 
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