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Manchester United Thread [2008/2009]

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Moreira_Benfica

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lol i dunno maybe its just me but alot of times during the game tevez kept ignoring fletcher could have gave him the ball at times at right but looked away i laughed at it lol... and yea any news when ronaldo is set to come back... mid sept?
 

pede54

Team Captain
thetrooper37;2566726 said:
lolll that Scholes hand goal made me laugh so hard, he's my hero hahahah. And then he had this look on his face, like a little kid that just got caught eating chocolate hahah

Personally, If that was a player playing for my club, I would have been ashamed of Scoles, and a little confused as to why Man U feel the need to cheat so openly, when we are constantly told how wonderful they are. Cheating shows a serious lack of class, scruples and morals.....and you find it funny? Congrats, that is so manc. Cheating brings disgrace upon your club or wasn't you aware of that?

His point is that ManU fans trashed Ronaldo for his desire to leave and Real Madrid for their insistance on buying him, yet ManU and Berbatov have been playing the same game.

Hypocrisy of the highest order.

Why would any club be interested in a player who is egotistical, self obbsessed, ungrateful, and disloyal with a juvenile tendancy to sulk a lot? Just ask a manc because for some reason, this club seems to welcome players with personality disorders. This is desperation. Berbatov isn't even that consistantly good to worry any team too much, and yet Man U are hanging their season on him (If he comes that is).
 

farmboy

Reserve Team
pede54;2566843 said:
Personally, If that was a player playing for my club, I would have been ashamed of Scoles, and a little confused as to why Man U feel the need to cheat so openly, when we are constantly told how wonderful they are. Cheating shows a serious lack of class, scruples and morals.....and you find it funny? Congrats, that is so manc. Cheating brings disgrace upon your club or wasn't you aware of that?
I'd agree with your analysis of cheating, but I think it was more an instinctual reach than a conscious "I'll play it with my hand and hope no one notices and then we'll win HAHAHA!" I mean, he looked pretty embarrassed, and don't forget we had 3 players running in behind who would've had a better chance, so he actually took a legitimate goal scoring opportunity FROM us. It's just one of those things where it was so stupid, you can't help but laugh. At least, I can't. As for berba, I don't really want him at the club. There are so many better players we could have gone for this summer, and I'm a bit disappointed at what a zoo our transfer window has been this summer.
 

Mandieta6

Red Card - Life
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I personally think you should've offered this sort of cash for Huntelaar, but as a Chelsea fan, I'm glad you're spending it all on Berba instead.
 

MikeyM

Big Daddy
Right, I've been chewing on this for around 20 hours.

Firstly Congratulations to St Petersberg, they played very well and deserved to win.

Secondly I am ashamed at the effort (or lack there of) that most of the United players put into that game. I don't care if it's not a "competitive" match - there was a trophy on the line and United should raise themselves for any title. Gary Neville still looked some way short, Rooney was in our own half most of the time, Anderson and Nani looked rusty and our seemingly impregnable back four has apparently forgotten how to play together this season. Kudos to Nemanja though - at least he was up for it. Tevez was a demon last night, shame the other 9 players (barring Tevez) didn't have the same pride and determination.

The club is being slaughtered from all sides, other teams fans are loving this - Chelsea are mentally tying the blue ribbons to the trophy.

As a United fan I hate any defeat, but I have to say I'm not convinced that the players are altogether bothered any more as they climb into their luxury cars and go off to their mansions for the night. I handle a defeat better when I know United did everything they could - but until 20 minutes from the end they collectively didn't seem bothered.

This is not down to United being without Ronaldo. This is down to a lack of fire and passion - those ingredients that made us Champions in Europe and in the league. We can win and play well without Ronaldo - but only if the players show application, and barring the odd performance I have seen absolutely nothing of that since Moscow. Ronaldo is an incredible player, but United have enough talent to win without him - only trouble is, talent isn't much without determination and application.

Perhaps if United do finish potless this season, the players in those red shirts will understand about hunger and desire again. Unfortunately I feel that come May, we might just find out.
 

adedawson

Senior Squad
Aren't Rooney and Tevez strikers? Aren't they strikers you bought in the past 3 years? Aren't they worldclass, internationally capped strikers, for whom you've paid millions for?

Sure, you need a striker, but that's not an excuse. There are 7/8 other players on the field who can score goals, scoring 3 in 4 matches, when you're supposedly the best in the world, is just... unacceptable, as I've said.

And your basing this on our last 4 games? 2 of which we have won, one which we drew with Newcastle and 1 we lost too after players returned from tiresome duty, injury etc. Dear god I think you maybe onto something!

Rooney has been under preforming to a certain degree like he always does ever since he's joined. It does matter though because during these spouts he doesn't score and create chances he has stints of true class and always scores around 20 goals a season. Tevez ball greedy sometimes but he's class gives 200%, creates chances and scores goals. He's also like Rooney going through fazes of not scoring, most likely due to the same reason that nether are out and out strikers.

Were lacking that in a big way. A point man like saha (when fit :D), are only other options are a up and coming player from the youth team, Campbell and a striker Manucho who's yet to even play in this country.

Ronaldo has acted like a 3rd striker and a point of contact offering something we have been missing in our strikers he's tall and powerful etc. With Rooney and Tevez were lacking the finish but we all know that, not that were complaining because at the end of the day they both make chance work there asses of and still get 20 goals.

Early days chaps we will come back with force, don't be over dramatic that all has ended without Ronaldo. As you will see when half our team isn't injured or just recovered from injury or duty.

In the past and we have won in style with and without Ronaldo. Give it chance were far from operating at 100%. After all we had nani blasting it in every direction other then the goal, fletcher not exactly our most talented player although far from bad and he's getting us goals. Gary Neville, Park Ji returning from loooong injury, Young Anderson who needs developing returning from the Olympics and the wonders of O'Shea. There not exactly on par with themselves being 100% fit with the roation of giggs, carrick, ronaldo and Hargreaves to add to the flavour.

His point is that ManU fans trashed Ronaldo for his desire to leave and Real Madrid for their insistance on buying him, yet ManU and Berbatov have been playing the same game.

Berbatov isn't 23, hasn't just signed a 5 year contract or mentioned after winning the European championship his desire to remain at the club. Berbatov is reaching his 30's wanting something a little bigger.

In either case I don't condone it I'm trying to illustrate why some other's may give more dramatic points of view.

Personally, If that was a player playing for my club, I would have been ashamed of Scoles, and a little confused as to why Man U feel the need to cheat so openly, when we are constantly told how wonderful they are. Cheating shows a serious lack of class, scruples and morals.....and you find it funny? Congrats, that is so manc. Cheating brings disgrace upon your club or wasn't you aware of that?

Be fair now not all manc's would think like that. We don't condone it and I'm sure there was no malice in his action you know what Scholes is like. Its disappointing we will lose him in some European games now, punishment enough.

Out of all the strikers out there, I don't see the specialness in Berbatov. What have I been missing?

We will see... I'm thinking this Manucho is what we have been missing if he preforms to the same pedigree he did in the African nations that I'm sure he will do else saf wouldn't have got him after his trial at the club or gone to all this effort in getting him a work permit. Finger's crossed but a big point man is what were missing, lets hope he delivers.
 

adedawson

Senior Squad
Right, I've been chewing on this for around 20 hours.

Firstly Congratulations to St Petersberg, they played very well and deserved to win.

Secondly I am ashamed at the effort (or lack there of) that most of the United players put into that game. I don't care if it's not a "competitive" match - there was a trophy on the line and United should raise themselves for any title. Gary Neville still looked some way short, Rooney was in our own half most of the time, Anderson and Nani looked rusty and our seemingly impregnable back four has apparently forgotten how to play together this season. Kudos to Nemanja though - at least he was up for it. Tevez was a demon last night, shame the other 9 players (barring Tevez) didn't have the same pride and determination.

The club is being slaughtered from all sides, other teams fans are loving this - Chelsea are mentally tying the blue ribbons to the trophy.

As a United fan I hate any defeat, but I have to say I'm not convinced that the players are altogether bothered any more as they climb into their luxury cars and go off to their mansions for the night. I handle a defeat better when I know United did everything they could - but until 20 minutes from the end they collectively didn't seem bothered.

This is not down to United being without Ronaldo. This is down to a lack of fire and passion - those ingredients that made us Champions in Europe and in the league. We can win and play well without Ronaldo - but only if the players show application, and barring the odd performance I have seen absolutely nothing of that since Moscow. Ronaldo is an incredible player, but United have enough talent to win without him - only trouble is, talent isn't much without determination and application.

Perhaps if United do finish potless this season, the players in those red shirts will understand about hunger and desire again. Unfortunately I feel that come May, we might just find out.

Your just disappointed at our defeat and angry. Take a look at our team for a moment and think about injuries what's they have been doing, the youngsters etc. You will then realise why were not preforming as we did last season. We haven't been getting the rotation due to all the injuries etc its not like we have lost loads of games, just 1. Were not doing great but we are doing ok and that will change as we get people back and players lose there rust as we did last season. Not to mention this time we have the added benefit of a few more strikers. Lets just hope some of the big clubs slip up as I'm sure they will, there's so much class in the premiership at the moment the playing field is starting to level more.
 

thetrooper37

Senior Squad
pede54;2566843 said:
Personally, If that was a player playing for my club, I would have been ashamed of Scoles, and a little confused as to why Man U feel the need to cheat so openly, when we are constantly told how wonderful they are. Cheating shows a serious lack of class, scruples and morals.....and you find it funny? Congrats, that is so manc. Cheating brings disgrace upon your club or wasn't you aware of that?



Hypocrisy of the highest order.

Why would any club be interested in a player who is egotistical, self obbsessed, ungrateful, and disloyal with a juvenile tendancy to sulk a lot? Just ask a manc because for some reason, this club seems to welcome players with personality disorders. This is desperation. Berbatov isn't even that consistantly good to worry any team too much, and yet Man U are hanging their season on him (If he comes that is).

Whatever you say your highness. Your club is obviously quite respectful and all, having the need to touch and yell at the referee while surrounding him from all sides. Let's not get into a feud though, it's a sport and we both know that a LOT of football players, from any club, would be useless rednecks if they didn't have the talent to kick a ball.

"Why would any club be interested in a player who is egotistical, self obsessed, ungrateful, and disloyal with a juvenile tendancy to sulk a lot?" - I thought you were talking about Drogba there for a second...




As for Berbatov...I don't understand how people are saying we don't need him. How many clubs would say no to a player that scores a goal every two games? Right now, Ronaldo is the only person that can score more goals than that at United and we desperately need one more. Plus, Berbatov provides a fair amount of assists. He'd be a great asset IMO.
 

MikeyM

Big Daddy
adedawson;2566882 said:
Your just disappointed at our defeat and angry. Take a look at our team for a moment and think about injuries what's they have been doing, the youngsters etc. You will then realise why were not preforming as we did last season. We haven't been getting the rotation due to all the injuries etc its not like we have lost loads of games, just 1. Were not doing great but we are doing ok and that will change as we get people back and players lose there rust as we did last season. Not to mention this time we have the added benefit of a few more strikers. Lets just hope some of the big clubs slip up as I'm sure they will, there's so much class in the premiership at the moment the playing field is starting to level more.

Yeah true, you're right I'm very hurt and angry about last night. I hate using the "we've had lots of injuries" line though, even if it's certainly not helped. I must admit I am seriously concerned about the next two games though.

One other thing that puzzles me is if we get Berbatov (or A.N Other), then who are we going to drop? It can't be Tevez - he's been our best player this season - he was amazing last night, covering every blade of grass and fighting for every ball. And I can't see Berba starting on the bench either.
 

Mandieta6

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You're right ade, I shouldn't be basing anything on just 4 matches, but if this is a pattern, it sure is a bad one.
 

goal_machine84

Senior Squad
:D

 

pede54

Team Captain
Farmboy,good post. Although to say it was instinctive to handball the ball into the net, would be of more concern to me than if Scholes had actually thought about doing it. Personally I missed plenty of goals when I played simply because my conscience would not accept me cheating. Honesty is something I value very highly.

Mikey, you sure do feel the pain huh mate? The super cup was a one off final, and like all one off games is decided by many factors on the night. It just wasn't United's night mate for many reasons. Although I must say that when I look at the starting 11 that took on Zenit, they are all first team players and the defeat could hardly be blamed on the fact that certain players might be missing.

The team underperformed on the night, but don't forget that Zenit have already played half a league season, whereas EPL teams are not even warmed up yet. I think we have already seen some examples of inconsistancy and underperfomance from many EPL teams so far this season. It's bound to be like that only a couple of weeks into it. As Ade said, everyone is a little rusty and some are still feeling the effects of the Euro's, which made it impossible for them to rest properly during the summer. It'll all settle down soon enough.

thetrooper37, my views on Drogba's cheating and his egotistical personality are well documented in the Chelsea thread mate. I have never supported him when he has cheated and as soon as he showed us disloyalty this summer, I said I would like to see him sold off. He has disrespected my club and he is an arsehole.
Unfortunately, I don't make those decisions at Chelsea, the board do, but as fans we don't always have to agree with what the board decides do we?

The point I was trying to make was that any fan of any club should not be excited at the prospect of signing a player who is such an arsehole, that he has virtually gone on strike until he gets his own way.

That is NOT the sort of personality I would want playing for my club. His name might be Berbatov. It might be Ronaldo, or it could be Drogba. A primadonna by any name is not my cup of tea personally, and if Real Madrid come calling for Berbatov next season, don't be surprised if he does to Man U what he is now doing to Spurs right now.

goal_machine84....doncha just luv the tight little shorts on those girls man?(Y)
 

thetrooper37

Senior Squad
pede54;2566987 said:
That is NOT the sort of personality I would want playing for my club. His name might be Berbatov. It might be Ronaldo, or it could be Drogba. A primadonna by any name is not my cup of tea personally, and if Real Madrid come calling for Berbatov next season, don't be surprised if he does to Man U what he is now doing to Spurs right now.

Pede, I see what you're saying but we don't exactly know what Berbatov is up to. All we know is that he has put in a transfer request. When he was subbed on during the first Spurs game of the season, he played as he usually does and created some opportunities. Then during the 2nd week we're told that he wasn't included because he wasn't "in the right frame of mind". That's quite a vague statement.
Another thing, the guy is getting old and we both know that players from smaller clubs want to move to bigger ones if given the opportunity. He has never said he isn't thankful to Tottenham but he obviously wants to prove to himself and the world that he can play at the biggest stage possible.
 

pede54

Team Captain
Yeah I guess his age does make a difference. He hasn't got long left has he, so if he wants to chance his hand in the CL for instance, he should grab the chance while he can, because I can't see Spurs in the CL for a while yet.

OK so there's his excuse and I guess it's fairly valid from his point of view. That still does not excuse the way that he is forcing this move by refusing to play, or informing the manager that he isn't "in the right frame of mind" to play. The guy signed a contract, he should be bound by that contract and he should respect that contract.

I agree that Spurs have not handled the issue well at all, and at the same time I can understand why they don't want United to have him, but as we all know, its pointless trying to hold onto a player who wants out of a club.

It's as Sevillista said though. If Real Madrid unsettling and chasing Ronaldo was so wrong, then how can this be right? It's the same thing, just substitute Real Madrid and Ronaldo for Man U and Berbatov. It's blatent double standards being shown by your club and by most of your fans.

Nothing seems to matter anymore though. Winning is all that matters these days, and it seems that most clubs including my own club, have very little regard for nicities when it comes to dealing with other clubs players. I don't like it, but I guess thats the way it is now, and we as fans are powerless to do anything about it. Shame though. I'll just have to get my head around it somehow.

By the way, I hear Berbatov has been named in the starting 11 for the game against us tomorrow, if he's in the right frame of mind I guess. If he plays which I doubt, it will be his last game for Spurs because he'll be a United player by Sunday night. Spurs have to let him go now I would think.
 

thetrooper37

Senior Squad
Yeah Pede I disagree on this....here's why I think it's a different situation:

- We actually made a bid which was rejected

- Since then Nobody in the United staff has mentioned Berbatov's name...The quote from Sir Alex which made Tottenham file a complaint was apparently fake or out of context I believe.

- We don't know if it was Berbatov who said he "isn't in the right frame of mind". - I just read on this too, Ramos deemed him so.

- As far as the transfer request...that might just be a bunch of bullcrap. I don't think anyone from berbatov, to his agent to the club have come out to say that he has actually handed in a transfer request.

This isn't nearly as crazy as the Ronaldo saga and here;s an interesting article I just found:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...despite-striker-handing-transfer-request.html

As I said before, he wants to follow his dream and he's not as young as Ronaldo. He doesn't have another season or two to wait around until he can go and reach his childhood dreams.
 

Payaah

Starting XI
Pede, how about Chelsea and Robinho? havent they been playing the same game ? But Man United did not publicity admit they are after Berbatov while Chelsea did admit they after Robinho (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/27082008/4/kenyon-robinho-deal-close.html).

Real Madrid and United situations arent the same man. Both Ronaldo and Berbatov did the same thing openly admit they want to leave. Real Madrid almost every week for 2 months someone from Madrid commented about buying Ronaldo and all those trade rumours. While United did none of that as far as I know.
 
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