I think they just want people to give them credit on their files. People who use the 2s thing give credit so the 2gk should do the same. Soccergaming gave hosting to a few sites that made these kits without giving any credit to fifala or socceraccess. I just hope they release them soon because it is pretty sad to make those 32 bit. Nothing personal but it's like being used to porsche and then hopping in a VW bug.
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Matt Holme Soccergaming help RE: 2gk
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That's your personal opinion. From an earlier thread, I got the impression that you don't know what's the difference between a 32 bit and a 8 bit kit. 32 bit kit doesn't have the pallette for each part of the kit to be the same. The colours are not limited to the 256 pallette that is in the 8 bit one. Which is why they look better than the 8 bit. Instead, you can use up to guess what millions of colors. But being a photographer you should know that already. The way a kit looks is a combination of factors. The method use and the way it is created. So it's up to the author. 2GK is easier to make because the size of the file is twice the orginal size of the original kit.fsh file and there are less files to make. Why are 2GK popular? Because anyone can make them. But the quality depends on the author level of expertise. Ask any good kit maker and they will tell you which method is they prefer. Some of them like JJ, Nikita Startsev, Giuliano Tonti,and other laugh at 2GK.
OK you're right that is my personal opinion. I think people should be able to make whichever kit suits them better. If these people laugh at 2gk then that is their right. Maybe others laugh at 32 bit work..LOL
Doesn't matter really everyone should have their different ways of making kits. It's all gravy baby.We are not happy with this either (P -1)
OK.
I would like to speak in behalf of all the people that were going to edit the 2GK Kits.
I am going to tell you, what are the reasons for what, Ariel and I, decided that we will wait until we copyright our stuff.
First of all, EA SPORTS does not allows anyboy to edit their stuff unless they alow it to. I personally know the producer of the game, I have gone to E3 twice, and I know the people at EA SPORTS. What I mean is, that I have written permission to do patches, because the people at EA KNOW ME, and they know in fact that I'm promoting their game. So for that guy who claimed to know a lot about rights, he must have that the statement always sais "unless written permission by the authors". However, I don't want to copyright the 2GK, that may be a confusion. I want to copyright ALL the site, so that we will be able to create our patches, programs, graphics, knowing that at least we have some legal backup. However, if anyones here would like EA SPORTS to be aware of these problems, let me tell you that I have nothing to lose because I can prove that people are making a monopoly out of their games, corrupting the scene and affecting other web pages.
In behalf of all the community, I asked EA if they mind about patches and websites earning a lof of money with their game, and publishing their stuff. Of course the question was only "what do they think about websites and patchmakers"
Well, I'm happy to tell you that EA has changed its point of view about that. A prove of that is their participation with fifala (by placing links and giving us games), and with soccergaming as well (by placing links and doing the Q&A thing with them)
People may not know how things in Ecuador are. Here, my friend Diego Jaramillo from fifamillennium.com has copyright about his stuff. That's because, he made a patch with me when we were at Fifala doing a patch called Latin Leagues 2000. About 5 months later, the images of the patch appeared in a TV COMERCIAL, why??
Cause we didn't copyright it. Its a shame but no a days, the fifa community isn't respectfull at all.
Now, the only thing that I asked Matt Holme, was that we already created the 2GK kits for Fifa 2002, and that we would like everybody (patch makes, kit creators...) to enjoy downloading and editing the 2GK Kits. After that, Lior removed a file called "Champiosn Leage Logo ball". So, if currently fifa2002.com will be the only site in the scene, belive me that we will release our kits because they are actually helping us, unlike some sites hosted by them, that take advantage of the SG reputation and their people to make us look like stealers when its the other way around.
We do not intend to monopolize the fifa market as other sites have done. THis year, the following sites leaved our network because they had a "better deal" (most of the sites are closed now). They left Fifala, and we are greatefull that some of this sites left, because they were expelled from the fifala community because they altered the banners of their sites, showing that they could be corrupted easily:
www.fifamexico.net
www.fifamania.net
Now, I didn't saw anybody made a scandal out of that did I?
When I approached some SG sites, the story was different. I don't have any problem with matt and his site being as protagonist site in the scene. What I do have problem is with people that abuse their hosting service, and build a webpage trying to affect fifala's reputation and my image. Now, I have no problem with being insulted, with ariel being insulted, or with people insulting us in the fifaexpress forums. For us, that only shows us that some people dislike our job but certainly some people like it. Now I bet many people liked the 2GK Kits for Fifa 2002. Believe me, if only sites like fifa2002.com, sg, fifakorea (sites that AT LEAST post our news) would be in the scene the 2GK kits would already be out by now.... (continues)
OK.
I would like to speak in behalf of all the people that were going to edit the 2GK Kits.
I am going to tell you, what are the reasons for what, Ariel and I, decided that we will wait until we copyright our stuff.
First of all, EA SPORTS does not allows anyboy to edit their stuff unless they alow it to. I personally know the producer of the game, I have gone to E3 twice, and I know the people at EA SPORTS. What I mean is, that I have written permission to do patches, because the people at EA KNOW ME, and they know in fact that I'm promoting their game. So for that guy who claimed to know a lot about rights, he must have that the statement always sais "unless written permission by the authors". However, I don't want to copyright the 2GK, that may be a confusion. I want to copyright ALL the site, so that we will be able to create our patches, programs, graphics, knowing that at least we have some legal backup. However, if anyones here would like EA SPORTS to be aware of these problems, let me tell you that I have nothing to lose because I can prove that people are making a monopoly out of their games, corrupting the scene and affecting other web pages.
In behalf of all the community, I asked EA if they mind about patches and websites earning a lof of money with their game, and publishing their stuff. Of course the question was only "what do they think about websites and patchmakers"
Well, I'm happy to tell you that EA has changed its point of view about that. A prove of that is their participation with fifala (by placing links and giving us games), and with soccergaming as well (by placing links and doing the Q&A thing with them)
People may not know how things in Ecuador are. Here, my friend Diego Jaramillo from fifamillennium.com has copyright about his stuff. That's because, he made a patch with me when we were at Fifala doing a patch called Latin Leagues 2000. About 5 months later, the images of the patch appeared in a TV COMERCIAL, why??
Cause we didn't copyright it. Its a shame but no a days, the fifa community isn't respectfull at all.
Now, the only thing that I asked Matt Holme, was that we already created the 2GK kits for Fifa 2002, and that we would like everybody (patch makes, kit creators...) to enjoy downloading and editing the 2GK Kits. After that, Lior removed a file called "Champiosn Leage Logo ball". So, if currently fifa2002.com will be the only site in the scene, belive me that we will release our kits because they are actually helping us, unlike some sites hosted by them, that take advantage of the SG reputation and their people to make us look like stealers when its the other way around.
We do not intend to monopolize the fifa market as other sites have done. THis year, the following sites leaved our network because they had a "better deal" (most of the sites are closed now). They left Fifala, and we are greatefull that some of this sites left, because they were expelled from the fifala community because they altered the banners of their sites, showing that they could be corrupted easily:
www.fifamexico.net
www.fifamania.net
Now, I didn't saw anybody made a scandal out of that did I?
When I approached some SG sites, the story was different. I don't have any problem with matt and his site being as protagonist site in the scene. What I do have problem is with people that abuse their hosting service, and build a webpage trying to affect fifala's reputation and my image. Now, I have no problem with being insulted, with ariel being insulted, or with people insulting us in the fifaexpress forums. For us, that only shows us that some people dislike our job but certainly some people like it. Now I bet many people liked the 2GK Kits for Fifa 2002. Believe me, if only sites like fifa2002.com, sg, fifakorea (sites that AT LEAST post our news) would be in the scene the 2GK kits would already be out by now.... (continues)
We are not happy with this either (P -2)
The problem, is that people EARN MONEY with our stuff, copy our stuff, insult us using the soccergaming forums, do an anti-propaganda to run us out of business, and then, they insult us for not giving them another thing to copy. Now, the only thing that I will like, is people to place links to us and not copy the 2GK program that we will do, or the main files of the kits. If anybody will like to include the 2GK in their patch, all I would ask is a recognition in the patch (like the readme file just a line saying "2GK by Fifala").
Now, this is the result of certain people trying to earn money with our stuff. I'm going to tell you an example:
www.fifamexico.net , was called Mexico Fifala. There were files from people like: Bruno Valencia, Victor Jara, Ariel Santarelli, Xavier Baez. Well, first of all, they changed the banners of their site. When I discovered that, I gaved them a chance to continue being honest, but no, they only claimed that they wanted to continue with the site, I gaved them FTP access and they deleted ALL THE SITE. Not just their files, but all the files form all the other people. The consequences of this, was no mexican downloads for about 2 months. Since the team split up (we didn't like our files to be delted of course), they haven't uploaded the files from the people that I mentioned to their site. However, they made an anti Fifala (and insulted me) in the SG forums. They blamed me for copying "their stuff", when moments later, the author of those files (Luis Flores), camed to me and asked me for hosting. HE said that the site spain.fifanet.com was closed, and that Roman deleted all of his files, to uload them later at fifamexico.net.
So, two cases cannot be a coincidence. This guy tried his best to affect the reputation of fifala and mexico fifala, he deleted the entiere site, and went with the other webmaster who previously altered the codes of the site, to form the new and only mexican site. Now, I cannot understand, why do people have to take advantage of the SG community, tell them lies, and then enjoy when everybody talks bad about our page.
As I said before, I have no problem with that guy doing that stuff. But, if SG supports it, gives them hosting, and we see tons of 2GK kits, the 2GK files, we don't see links to our site, but, we did see a lot of corruption, insutls from their part, and worst of all, Roman, the webmaster of www.fifamexico.net, voted for me in the Red Card SG Awards. Now, what is the joke of displaying my name there, if the contest didn't had any kind of IP protection, and I know that it was nothing but an attempt from Roman, to blame me for stealing "his" stuff. Now, I hate when people like Joe, who don't know me at all, who haven't ever worked with me, to try to split the www.fifaengland.com team, by telling James that I will seriously mess him up.
Now, SoccerAccess is a group of pages, that have changed their members a lot. We are extremelly focused on creating web pages, as a hobbie (of course all the sites earn revenue), and giving credits to the people that deserve it. Our goal is not the money, because we all have different activities to do, and most of our webmaters are still teenagers. Now, if somebody can tells me that this is not a money issue, then I cannot blame you.
We are so conscient that there is an anti-fifala propaganda here. When I contacted sites from SG to join my network, I remember a big scandal in the forums. But when many many sites from fifala go to other sites, then I don't see nobody doing anything. That is mainly because, we don't like to do scandals out of every issue, and we think that if corrupted people leave our network, they are actually doing us a favour, because our goal is not the page views, but to enjoy creating patches and keeping our websites.
Now, I ask everyone an apology, and I think that I am speaking in behalf of many people that were going to benefit from this. We will not copyright the 2GK kits, we do not want to make a monopoly out of this, we do not intend patch makers to create a patch with 2GK kits, and not be able to put the 2GK files in their patch. All we would like, its a little of respect. Now, I cannot blame all of you, for thinking that Roman from www.fifamexico.net didn't voted for me as many times as I claim. Well, he did send me a message after the winners were announced, and after seing he made an anti-fifala propaganda (of course with the support from many other people who only insult us thinking that there will be no reaction from our part).
We at fifala are extremelly ashamed of the way that the site was treated. We had so many enemies, and I remember people insulting me for no reason. Now, I know it should be fun, but please, don't be so hironic, to say "why aren't you realeasing the 2GK Kits"???
WELL, TEH REASON IS
BECAUSE WE ALREADY RELEASED THEM LAST YEAR, AND SITES LIKE FIFAMEXICO.NET, EURO-BALL.COM, AND FIFAMANIA.NET used the 2GK kits widely. Did they even placed any links to our site? No, all they did was try to affect our professional image. Now, all of those sites earn money, now, why can't we build a website, and respectfully ask other websites not to copy our stuff?? That would be the best thing to do, but there are people in Ecuador selling Ariel stuff, there are websites insulting us and using our stuff, and there are websites trying to make us look like real evil people, when the corruption has gone from fifala and we have clearly stated that we are extremelly bothered with the corruption in the scene.
Now, what we will do is realsed patches, programs, and stuff that cannot be divided or its too obvious to copy. We will release the bigt patches later, because if we don't copyright our entire page (its not a question about the 2GK kits), we know that its a waste of time trying to get some justice in the scene.
Now, I am speaking in behalf of many people here that find this an hipocresy. It is absolutely wrong to blame the webpage that created the 2GK, make an anti-propaganda about that site, and all the sites that are working with me. I speak in name of Ariel Santarelli (who agrees with this dessicion. If anyone has something against me, then you should also think that Ariel is with me, and that we made a meeting and decided this. So its not just me here, its a group of people that find corruption in the scene perjudical to our image, all we do is create patches and websites for you people).
I think that when I say that we were going to enjoy using the 2GK kits, I speak in behalf of all the team: Tom, James, Ariel Santarelli, Ran Bandanes, Xavier Baez, Gabriel Seri, Fede, Braulio.. and the webmasters of more than 13 sites at fifala and socceraccess. We we all using to release the 2GK kits soon, but after the events that I mentioned you, we realized that we are absolutely vulnerable to other's wishes to earn money with our stuff.
Now, I hope that everybody agrees is that all that we will like, is people to include the 2GK kits in their patches, websites, downloads... and all that we will ask, is people not to go to our sites, copy our stuff, and then insult us, not place links to us, and use such a nice idea as the SG Awards to affect my image, and therefore, all of our websites.
The problem, is that people EARN MONEY with our stuff, copy our stuff, insult us using the soccergaming forums, do an anti-propaganda to run us out of business, and then, they insult us for not giving them another thing to copy. Now, the only thing that I will like, is people to place links to us and not copy the 2GK program that we will do, or the main files of the kits. If anybody will like to include the 2GK in their patch, all I would ask is a recognition in the patch (like the readme file just a line saying "2GK by Fifala").
Now, this is the result of certain people trying to earn money with our stuff. I'm going to tell you an example:
www.fifamexico.net , was called Mexico Fifala. There were files from people like: Bruno Valencia, Victor Jara, Ariel Santarelli, Xavier Baez. Well, first of all, they changed the banners of their site. When I discovered that, I gaved them a chance to continue being honest, but no, they only claimed that they wanted to continue with the site, I gaved them FTP access and they deleted ALL THE SITE. Not just their files, but all the files form all the other people. The consequences of this, was no mexican downloads for about 2 months. Since the team split up (we didn't like our files to be delted of course), they haven't uploaded the files from the people that I mentioned to their site. However, they made an anti Fifala (and insulted me) in the SG forums. They blamed me for copying "their stuff", when moments later, the author of those files (Luis Flores), camed to me and asked me for hosting. HE said that the site spain.fifanet.com was closed, and that Roman deleted all of his files, to uload them later at fifamexico.net.
So, two cases cannot be a coincidence. This guy tried his best to affect the reputation of fifala and mexico fifala, he deleted the entiere site, and went with the other webmaster who previously altered the codes of the site, to form the new and only mexican site. Now, I cannot understand, why do people have to take advantage of the SG community, tell them lies, and then enjoy when everybody talks bad about our page.
As I said before, I have no problem with that guy doing that stuff. But, if SG supports it, gives them hosting, and we see tons of 2GK kits, the 2GK files, we don't see links to our site, but, we did see a lot of corruption, insutls from their part, and worst of all, Roman, the webmaster of www.fifamexico.net, voted for me in the Red Card SG Awards. Now, what is the joke of displaying my name there, if the contest didn't had any kind of IP protection, and I know that it was nothing but an attempt from Roman, to blame me for stealing "his" stuff. Now, I hate when people like Joe, who don't know me at all, who haven't ever worked with me, to try to split the www.fifaengland.com team, by telling James that I will seriously mess him up.
Now, SoccerAccess is a group of pages, that have changed their members a lot. We are extremelly focused on creating web pages, as a hobbie (of course all the sites earn revenue), and giving credits to the people that deserve it. Our goal is not the money, because we all have different activities to do, and most of our webmaters are still teenagers. Now, if somebody can tells me that this is not a money issue, then I cannot blame you.
We are so conscient that there is an anti-fifala propaganda here. When I contacted sites from SG to join my network, I remember a big scandal in the forums. But when many many sites from fifala go to other sites, then I don't see nobody doing anything. That is mainly because, we don't like to do scandals out of every issue, and we think that if corrupted people leave our network, they are actually doing us a favour, because our goal is not the page views, but to enjoy creating patches and keeping our websites.
Now, I ask everyone an apology, and I think that I am speaking in behalf of many people that were going to benefit from this. We will not copyright the 2GK kits, we do not want to make a monopoly out of this, we do not intend patch makers to create a patch with 2GK kits, and not be able to put the 2GK files in their patch. All we would like, its a little of respect. Now, I cannot blame all of you, for thinking that Roman from www.fifamexico.net didn't voted for me as many times as I claim. Well, he did send me a message after the winners were announced, and after seing he made an anti-fifala propaganda (of course with the support from many other people who only insult us thinking that there will be no reaction from our part).
We at fifala are extremelly ashamed of the way that the site was treated. We had so many enemies, and I remember people insulting me for no reason. Now, I know it should be fun, but please, don't be so hironic, to say "why aren't you realeasing the 2GK Kits"???
WELL, TEH REASON IS
BECAUSE WE ALREADY RELEASED THEM LAST YEAR, AND SITES LIKE FIFAMEXICO.NET, EURO-BALL.COM, AND FIFAMANIA.NET used the 2GK kits widely. Did they even placed any links to our site? No, all they did was try to affect our professional image. Now, all of those sites earn money, now, why can't we build a website, and respectfully ask other websites not to copy our stuff?? That would be the best thing to do, but there are people in Ecuador selling Ariel stuff, there are websites insulting us and using our stuff, and there are websites trying to make us look like real evil people, when the corruption has gone from fifala and we have clearly stated that we are extremelly bothered with the corruption in the scene.
Now, what we will do is realsed patches, programs, and stuff that cannot be divided or its too obvious to copy. We will release the bigt patches later, because if we don't copyright our entire page (its not a question about the 2GK kits), we know that its a waste of time trying to get some justice in the scene.
Now, I am speaking in behalf of many people here that find this an hipocresy. It is absolutely wrong to blame the webpage that created the 2GK, make an anti-propaganda about that site, and all the sites that are working with me. I speak in name of Ariel Santarelli (who agrees with this dessicion. If anyone has something against me, then you should also think that Ariel is with me, and that we made a meeting and decided this. So its not just me here, its a group of people that find corruption in the scene perjudical to our image, all we do is create patches and websites for you people).
I think that when I say that we were going to enjoy using the 2GK kits, I speak in behalf of all the team: Tom, James, Ariel Santarelli, Ran Bandanes, Xavier Baez, Gabriel Seri, Fede, Braulio.. and the webmasters of more than 13 sites at fifala and socceraccess. We we all using to release the 2GK kits soon, but after the events that I mentioned you, we realized that we are absolutely vulnerable to other's wishes to earn money with our stuff.
Now, I hope that everybody agrees is that all that we will like, is people to include the 2GK kits in their patches, websites, downloads... and all that we will ask, is people not to go to our sites, copy our stuff, and then insult us, not place links to us, and use such a nice idea as the SG Awards to affect my image, and therefore, all of our websites.
hiryuu.com
Senior Squad
hey Xavier, why don't you ask Matt what really happen to the Spanish Fifanet????
cause I did not delete it, ask him...
Also, we DON'T make money like you, foot|x tried to make money with the Mercado Libre banners and as you may know they don't pay very well, so I don't in any way make money from my site.
And what about you? you make money out of everybody in Fifala, they work for you, do you know how to edit??? have you edited something? cause I never saw anything made by you!!!!
so, you're just making money out of other peoples work, cause the hosting didn't cost you a thing remember? (caus I don't know if it still does not cost a thing for you).
About the files I deleted from Fifala, those were OUR files, our desing and our scripts, didn't I install those scripts? or didn't we make those files?
Also, why you try to publish the "black list" ???? with the names of people affected by my "cowardness", what I mean, is how in the world I was going to affect Ariel??? I don't even know him, also how I'm going to affect Skeep or Carlos????? they're part of my team, they're not part of Fifala.
And two things to end this little post.
1.) Stop putting names that do not correspond, cause like Bruno's work is all ours in Fifa Mexico.
2.) We DO NOT make money out of Fifa Mexico man, this is just my hobbie and I'm not interested in money, how many times have I told you that?
Ah, one more thing, who altered the banners???? was it me?? you know that it wasn't me, so why you keep saying that it was me?
cause I did not delete it, ask him...
Also, we DON'T make money like you, foot|x tried to make money with the Mercado Libre banners and as you may know they don't pay very well, so I don't in any way make money from my site.
And what about you? you make money out of everybody in Fifala, they work for you, do you know how to edit??? have you edited something? cause I never saw anything made by you!!!!
so, you're just making money out of other peoples work, cause the hosting didn't cost you a thing remember? (caus I don't know if it still does not cost a thing for you).
About the files I deleted from Fifala, those were OUR files, our desing and our scripts, didn't I install those scripts? or didn't we make those files?
Also, why you try to publish the "black list" ???? with the names of people affected by my "cowardness", what I mean, is how in the world I was going to affect Ariel??? I don't even know him, also how I'm going to affect Skeep or Carlos????? they're part of my team, they're not part of Fifala.
And two things to end this little post.
1.) Stop putting names that do not correspond, cause like Bruno's work is all ours in Fifa Mexico.
2.) We DO NOT make money out of Fifa Mexico man, this is just my hobbie and I'm not interested in money, how many times have I told you that?
Ah, one more thing, who altered the banners???? was it me?? you know that it wasn't me, so why you keep saying that it was me?
lukas_svoboda
Senior Squad
Hello Xavier,
You want to claim that EA gave you the copyright for files commercially distributed with FIFA 2002 (I mean the texture.big, player.big etc)? No, it's the best joke I ever heard
. You can write million times that you know someone from EA Sports, that only shows how simple your mind is..... This usually do unsuccesfull teenagers when they want to feel like the king of the Universe. Telling that they know someone on high possitions to make impression on others is an old and usual trick. Can you tell us the full name, country, city, EA working position and other professional details about the presons from EA Sports who gave you the written certificate that you're allowed to edit and distribute EA files under your own copyright??? And can you tell us why you annoy us by describing your personal problems with some guy named Roman who deleted some your files via your ftp access??? That's your personal problem and noone here is interested in it.
Maybe many people liked 2GK for FIFA2001 (I don't like it because of only 8-bit hjfr), but I'm sure many people will stop using it because of these your copyright fiction. You may ask the 2GK kitmakers not to include your edited *.big files to packages with their kits, but you can't force any site to delete kit packages containing these your files, because you're definitely NOT THE COPYRIGHT OWNERS and don't tell me that I'm wrong.
I hope you won't accuse me of any anti-propaganda (you used this term about twenty times in your post :crazyman:, I haven't heard the word "antipropaganda" since the times of the Cold War) against your person or fifala because I don't know you or your pages, I never was in any contact with you, this soccergaming forum thread is my first contact with you.
This post is my personal oppinion and it's not the official attitude of the members of the European Clubs Patch.
You want to claim that EA gave you the copyright for files commercially distributed with FIFA 2002 (I mean the texture.big, player.big etc)? No, it's the best joke I ever heard
. You can write million times that you know someone from EA Sports, that only shows how simple your mind is..... This usually do unsuccesfull teenagers when they want to feel like the king of the Universe. Telling that they know someone on high possitions to make impression on others is an old and usual trick. Can you tell us the full name, country, city, EA working position and other professional details about the presons from EA Sports who gave you the written certificate that you're allowed to edit and distribute EA files under your own copyright??? And can you tell us why you annoy us by describing your personal problems with some guy named Roman who deleted some your files via your ftp access??? That's your personal problem and noone here is interested in it.Maybe many people liked 2GK for FIFA2001 (I don't like it because of only 8-bit hjfr), but I'm sure many people will stop using it because of these your copyright fiction. You may ask the 2GK kitmakers not to include your edited *.big files to packages with their kits, but you can't force any site to delete kit packages containing these your files, because you're definitely NOT THE COPYRIGHT OWNERS and don't tell me that I'm wrong.
I hope you won't accuse me of any anti-propaganda (you used this term about twenty times in your post :crazyman:, I haven't heard the word "antipropaganda" since the times of the Cold War
) against your person or fifala because I don't know you or your pages, I never was in any contact with you, this soccergaming forum thread is my first contact with you.This post is my personal oppinion and it's not the official attitude of the members of the European Clubs Patch.
fifafanatic
Youth Team
Right on brother!! Your comments are so true.
XB, you said in Ecuador people are selling Ariel fifamstuff right? And if people are selling stuff that Ariel edited for FIFA, then isn't this piracy? And when you actually think about it, isn't this why EA will never create a South American league in FIFA? There are so many pirated copies of FIFA there as it is, imagine how many more if there was actually a South American league?
BULLSHIT, that's what this whole copyright thing for 2GK is. copyright laws are international and if XB and company even considered getting one, then they won't mean shit outside of Ecuador. And since XB isn't the most liked guy in the FIFA community, then you can bet EA SPORTS will receive quite a few e-mails in regards to this shit.
Copyright my ass!! I'll agree with one thing though. I agree credit should be given were credit is due, but don't try to force people to visit your site so you can force them to click on your banners (which is in violation of sponsor terms), just so they can download a file.
XB, you said in Ecuador people are selling Ariel fifamstuff right? And if people are selling stuff that Ariel edited for FIFA, then isn't this piracy? And when you actually think about it, isn't this why EA will never create a South American league in FIFA? There are so many pirated copies of FIFA there as it is, imagine how many more if there was actually a South American league?
BULLSHIT, that's what this whole copyright thing for 2GK is. copyright laws are international and if XB and company even considered getting one, then they won't mean shit outside of Ecuador. And since XB isn't the most liked guy in the FIFA community, then you can bet EA SPORTS will receive quite a few e-mails in regards to this shit.
Copyright my ass!! I'll agree with one thing though. I agree credit should be given were credit is due, but don't try to force people to visit your site so you can force them to click on your banners (which is in violation of sponsor terms), just so they can download a file.
lukas_svoboda
Senior Squad
howgh
Response to lukas_svoboda
OK
First of all man, stop blaming me for this. This was a decision that both Ariel and I decided. Last year, we released the 2GK Kits. We received a lot of insults from guys like Roman, and he voted for me like 1000 times in the SG Red Card Award.
For his bad luck, he did not succeded. Andrew was "nominated" first, and I received a message from him telling me "congratulations that almost worked." Worst of all, he insulted me publically on his site (after having for one month adultered Mercado Libre banners, they left this community for $30 showing how desesperate they are to make revenue)
What I'm bothered, is with people like him, using SG hosting services, to affect my professional image, and therefore, my site's reputation. Both Ariel and I agree, that in the tough times, when Fifala was not doing so good, people from these sites tried their best to affect our reputation, and about 90% of all the webmasters at fifala have been contacted by other networks to go with them. I have no problem if anyone does that, but I DO have problems if they go out to SG, make a war against my image using the SG forums, and then, proving to the community that there is no respect for the people doing the stuff.
Now, about copyright, you didn't understood. We do not intend to copyright the 2GK kits, but we intend to copyright our whole site. Fed 2001 has copyrights, Fifamillennium has copyrights, then I wonder, why do people bother, if a group of webmasters have no options but to protect their sites legally, because other people are copying our stuff, AND EARNING A LOT OF MONEY WITH IT. Now, if someone would like EA to be aware of this, I know that I have done my best to promote the game, and not my best to make harm to other websites and harm their reputation. Now, if the people don't want to know the reasons why we're not releasing the 2GK, I think that I have been clear.
Let me give you an example. Marcelo Luis Bruno, programmer of Fifala.com, was contacted by other site. After a while, I saw a program that was MY IDEA, published at fifa2001.com. Months later, we published the IGGEX Center, showing that the idea was ours, and that we had progressed a lot in the graphic patches field. Now, if I would have copyrighted MY SITE, then I could have protected that, but all I did, was see how someone else left my network for economic reaons. Now, I bet there is no one here that thinks that is a nice thing to do, to go against other sites, and months later, use the SG to affect my reputation and my partner reputation, because now everybody seems like he "doens't wants" to release the 2GK kits, when its the other way around.
Nobody can force us to create more stuff for this community, but if we're indignated by these things that nobody cares, then we do not blame you, but we're you should all realize that the affected people are you, us, and everybody who used the 2GK last year. I will like to say, that this already happened last year.
ANd that I have all the rights to copyright programs and stuff that we do, we know that nobody could copyright part of the game, but for those people who inmediately start to insult us again without even knowing what we intend to copyright (our programs), then we cannot blame you.
I know it sounds stupid, but we have no other choise. If there are sites trying to affect us, then please don't ask us to release the 2GK Kits. We would definitively like to, but this threats and insults show that we definitively don't have other choice.
OK
First of all man, stop blaming me for this. This was a decision that both Ariel and I decided. Last year, we released the 2GK Kits. We received a lot of insults from guys like Roman, and he voted for me like 1000 times in the SG Red Card Award.
For his bad luck, he did not succeded. Andrew was "nominated" first, and I received a message from him telling me "congratulations that almost worked." Worst of all, he insulted me publically on his site (after having for one month adultered Mercado Libre banners, they left this community for $30 showing how desesperate they are to make revenue)
What I'm bothered, is with people like him, using SG hosting services, to affect my professional image, and therefore, my site's reputation. Both Ariel and I agree, that in the tough times, when Fifala was not doing so good, people from these sites tried their best to affect our reputation, and about 90% of all the webmasters at fifala have been contacted by other networks to go with them. I have no problem if anyone does that, but I DO have problems if they go out to SG, make a war against my image using the SG forums, and then, proving to the community that there is no respect for the people doing the stuff.
Now, about copyright, you didn't understood. We do not intend to copyright the 2GK kits, but we intend to copyright our whole site. Fed 2001 has copyrights, Fifamillennium has copyrights, then I wonder, why do people bother, if a group of webmasters have no options but to protect their sites legally, because other people are copying our stuff, AND EARNING A LOT OF MONEY WITH IT. Now, if someone would like EA to be aware of this, I know that I have done my best to promote the game, and not my best to make harm to other websites and harm their reputation. Now, if the people don't want to know the reasons why we're not releasing the 2GK, I think that I have been clear.
Let me give you an example. Marcelo Luis Bruno, programmer of Fifala.com, was contacted by other site. After a while, I saw a program that was MY IDEA, published at fifa2001.com. Months later, we published the IGGEX Center, showing that the idea was ours, and that we had progressed a lot in the graphic patches field. Now, if I would have copyrighted MY SITE, then I could have protected that, but all I did, was see how someone else left my network for economic reaons. Now, I bet there is no one here that thinks that is a nice thing to do, to go against other sites, and months later, use the SG to affect my reputation and my partner reputation, because now everybody seems like he "doens't wants" to release the 2GK kits, when its the other way around.
Nobody can force us to create more stuff for this community, but if we're indignated by these things that nobody cares, then we do not blame you, but we're you should all realize that the affected people are you, us, and everybody who used the 2GK last year. I will like to say, that this already happened last year.
ANd that I have all the rights to copyright programs and stuff that we do, we know that nobody could copyright part of the game, but for those people who inmediately start to insult us again without even knowing what we intend to copyright (our programs), then we cannot blame you.
I know it sounds stupid, but we have no other choise. If there are sites trying to affect us, then please don't ask us to release the 2GK Kits. We would definitively like to, but this threats and insults show that we definitively don't have other choice.
hiryuu.com
Senior Squad
get over with it man!!!!
I don't know why you don't understand I DO NOT WANT MONEY!!!! it is foot|x why you keep saying it was me? you know it was foot|x, and about this: "Roman, and he voted for me like 1000 times in the SG Red Card Award. " how in the worl I was going to vote that many times???? I don't have time for that, now tell me that I voted with different names, c'mon grow up!!!!
And now who's going to make a monopolio out of 2GK????? who's going to win more money with OTHER's people work, cause if somebody does a 2GK and puts i the README that they need to go to your site guess who's going to earn money?
not me, not them.... but YOU....
And you speak only because you want too, do you have our patches using 2GK???? cause they said that the 2GK are made by Fifala....
anyways, I hope somebody deletes this thread that is more personal than nothing, and Xavier if you have something against me, talk to me instead of putting threads that are too long.
And well, good luck with your little bussiness there...
I don't know why you don't understand I DO NOT WANT MONEY!!!! it is foot|x why you keep saying it was me? you know it was foot|x, and about this: "Roman, and he voted for me like 1000 times in the SG Red Card Award. " how in the worl I was going to vote that many times???? I don't have time for that, now tell me that I voted with different names, c'mon grow up!!!!
And now who's going to make a monopolio out of 2GK????? who's going to win more money with OTHER's people work, cause if somebody does a 2GK and puts i the README that they need to go to your site guess who's going to earn money?
not me, not them.... but YOU....
And you speak only because you want too, do you have our patches using 2GK???? cause they said that the 2GK are made by Fifala....
anyways, I hope somebody deletes this thread that is more personal than nothing, and Xavier if you have something against me, talk to me instead of putting threads that are too long.
And well, good luck with your little bussiness there...
for the love of god!!!!
Ariel and "xbaez" have made the 2GK and they should have the credit for it !!!!!
I don't know if you people are blind or something, but haven't u noticed that Fifa is MUCH better with the 2GK tech?????????????
If they want to copyright it, then let em do so!!!!!!
And for those who are not using 2GK and are still complainig, SHUT THE F UP!!!
u woun't use it anyway!!! but i can bet that u will when they release the new one for Fifa 2002!
Ariel and "xbaez" have made the 2GK and they should have the credit for it !!!!!
I don't know if you people are blind or something, but haven't u noticed that Fifa is MUCH better with the 2GK tech?????????????
If they want to copyright it, then let em do so!!!!!!
And for those who are not using 2GK and are still complainig, SHUT THE F UP!!!
u woun't use it anyway!!! but i can bet that u will when they release the new one for Fifa 2002!
lukas_svoboda
Senior Squad
don't you understand or don't you want to understand ???
Xavier, you wrote that you want to copyright the files which would allow the player to use 2GK kits (probably texture.big, player.big and maybe some more), so everyone will have to download these files from your pages, and that these files will not be allowed to be distributed in packages with 2GK kits edited by other patchmakers, am I right??
fifala can't copyright any file from FIFA 2002 even thought they edited the file!!! The file (texture.big, player.big or any other) is still copyrighted by EA Sports athough anyone else made some changes or any kind of improvements of the file !!!!!!!
is this so hard to understand???
ask any lawyer, he'll explain that to you !!!!!!!!
there's only one solution how to do that:
fifala can make a patch program which would make some changes to the texture.big or player.big file, and everyone who would want to use 2GK in FIFA2002 would have to download this program from their www pages, run the patch which would make the required changes in the *.BIG files. But fifala (or anybody else) cannot copyright the *.BIG file (or any other file from FIFA 2002) itself!!!!!!!
I hope that I explained that all like for a baby so everyone should understand now........ or not?
Xavier, you wrote that you want to copyright the files which would allow the player to use 2GK kits (probably texture.big, player.big and maybe some more), so everyone will have to download these files from your pages, and that these files will not be allowed to be distributed in packages with 2GK kits edited by other patchmakers, am I right??
fifala can't copyright any file from FIFA 2002 even thought they edited the file!!! The file (texture.big, player.big or any other) is still copyrighted by EA Sports athough anyone else made some changes or any kind of improvements of the file !!!!!!!
is this so hard to understand???
ask any lawyer, he'll explain that to you !!!!!!!!
there's only one solution how to do that:
fifala can make a patch program which would make some changes to the texture.big or player.big file, and everyone who would want to use 2GK in FIFA2002 would have to download this program from their www pages, run the patch which would make the required changes in the *.BIG files. But fifala (or anybody else) cannot copyright the *.BIG file (or any other file from FIFA 2002) itself!!!!!!!
I hope that I explained that all like for a baby so everyone should understand now........ or not?
lukas_svoboda
Senior Squad
btw i wish succes to australia on their sunday match
I believe they want to protect their programs and not the files from the game. People who use the 2gk technique, they will appreciate if they receive the credit for developing the 2gk program/technique. I don't think that is very difficult to understand. Who likes their work to be copied without any credit?
lukas_svoboda
Senior Squad
Originally posted by El_GaLLo
I believe they want to protect their programs and not the files from the game.
so read carefully what xavier wrote earlier..............
Answer to lukas_svoboda
Lukas, please read this.
I NEVER said that I was going to copyright files that are already copyrighted. I said, that I was going to copyright the entire site, so that we can have a privacy statement, legally protect our selfs, and do something when sites try to get the most out of our site.
Now, last year, Ariel Santarelli, teh creator of the 2GK kits, should have his page "FifaExpress" as one of the most popular in the scenes
But did that happened??
NO, we had to close the site, because teh results were not so good, and we find it unfair to close the site that created the 2GK Kits.
Everybody went there, copied our stuff, and some people are happy affecting my professional image. Now, there is a site called Soccer Gaming, and if that site could help us with their hosted sites, then it would be a different story.
I also said before, that if only fifa2002.com, fifakorea.net and fifa-mra.com will be in the scene, I will release the 2GK kits right away. But there are sites, like www.fifamexico.net, that with SG support, affect our image, do a whole "Red Card Award", and matt, knowing that this guy voted for me over and over and over, has no problem in affecting my image in his SG network
Now, when I was part of SG this didn't happened. ANd I don't like people from SG turning the media against me, to affect my image, and then, people insulting me because i put the face and speak for both ariel and me.
Now, we don't want to copyright part of the game, please understand that. Here in Ecuador, you can copyright the stuff that you do, and you can legally have a privacy statement so that other sites, who claim that what we do is "illegal", SELL OUR STUFF in their pages, and if we dare to do something about it, they will turn the media against us. Those inmoral actions have made us to decide, that we wont even release the 2GK kits.
Now, if matt holme, would tell me what specific things he will do so that sites in his network will stop copying our stuff, then I would have no problem releasing the 2GK kits because I know that SG is the biggest site now and that they have indeed helped us a lot with their downloads webmaster Lior who is helping us remove copied stuff from their download zone.
Lukas, please read this.
I NEVER said that I was going to copyright files that are already copyrighted. I said, that I was going to copyright the entire site, so that we can have a privacy statement, legally protect our selfs, and do something when sites try to get the most out of our site.
Now, last year, Ariel Santarelli, teh creator of the 2GK kits, should have his page "FifaExpress" as one of the most popular in the scenes
But did that happened??
NO, we had to close the site, because teh results were not so good, and we find it unfair to close the site that created the 2GK Kits.
Everybody went there, copied our stuff, and some people are happy affecting my professional image. Now, there is a site called Soccer Gaming, and if that site could help us with their hosted sites, then it would be a different story.
I also said before, that if only fifa2002.com, fifakorea.net and fifa-mra.com will be in the scene, I will release the 2GK kits right away. But there are sites, like www.fifamexico.net, that with SG support, affect our image, do a whole "Red Card Award", and matt, knowing that this guy voted for me over and over and over, has no problem in affecting my image in his SG network
Now, when I was part of SG this didn't happened. ANd I don't like people from SG turning the media against me, to affect my image, and then, people insulting me because i put the face and speak for both ariel and me.
Now, we don't want to copyright part of the game, please understand that. Here in Ecuador, you can copyright the stuff that you do, and you can legally have a privacy statement so that other sites, who claim that what we do is "illegal", SELL OUR STUFF in their pages, and if we dare to do something about it, they will turn the media against us. Those inmoral actions have made us to decide, that we wont even release the 2GK kits.
Now, if matt holme, would tell me what specific things he will do so that sites in his network will stop copying our stuff, then I would have no problem releasing the 2GK kits because I know that SG is the biggest site now and that they have indeed helped us a lot with their downloads webmaster Lior who is helping us remove copied stuff from their download zone.