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Most Underrated (or Overrated) Team?

theworldgame

Youth Team
i agree that the US are a reasonable side - however (similar to Australia and other nations suck as S. Korea and Japan) - it might take longer than until 2010 to be properly comptetitive, by winning without a couple lucky results

2020 is a more realistic time for smaller nations to be competitive I feel

I see what you mean by recent results make the US rival Mexico - but also EA take into account individual players stats - and by that fact Mexico deserve to be ranked higher than the US (no offence - but known fact that Mexico has better individual players)

I also feel that Senegal deserve a higher ranking than US - just my opinion and probably most others except US supporters
 

bennismalls

Youth Team
Originally posted by Amdy Faye
Senegal are a good team, I suppose fifa aknowledged the fact that the Americans attitude is usually 'we love baseball, american football, OH and we have a soccer team thats the best' that's usually their mentality, they're not bothered, and they just take it for granted that they have an OKAY team. I also don't see how you can see Brazil as over-rated? How so? Also, the Fifa World Rankings are a joke, if you're ranked 3rd, it doesnt mean u'll beat the 10th team lol, just a silly little thing fifa do, I take it that's what you meant when you said they're 10th or something....


this is rididculous are u american what makes u say that america is like that u are just a joke who stereotypes americans from what u see on tv they know they dont have the best team but they know they were cheated in the quarter final when that defender stopped the ball on the goal line with his hand and they didnt get the pk any way americans are underrated
 

bennismalls

Youth Team
Originally posted by theworldgame
what was wrong with what i said UxSxAxFooty?

so what if you have 3 good keepers? that's only ony player of 11?

and if you seriously think that you could rival Senegal you're just kidding yourself? And don't get confused and think that the MLS players have anything on Europe or South American teams...

The USA ranking is misrepresentive of their standing also, as there are numerous teams even with rankings outside 50 that can compete with the USA - just look at Australia

Australia are not as good as Senegal I admit - but they got the edge over the USA - and Landon Donovan, Reyna and no other USA player can be considered world class

the only world class players the USA have are howard (who is greatly overrated) and friedel who i actually believe to be better than howard

just get over it mate - the only reason EA place such an emphasis on the USA is because they make up so many of the customers - not becaust they are a team worthy of any attention!!!!!!!!!!
oh boy nobody saw america dispose of paruguay 2-0 nobody saw america beat mexico and how can u say that america only have 3 world class players then u dont even sssay the best ones reyan sux and i as an american futbol fan knows that he is old. oh yeah we bewt portugal and scored 3 goals in 35 minutes
anyway john obrien is world class or else he wouldnt be starting on ajax, donovan is class or else leverkusen wouldnt keep his coontract with them that last until 2008 if u havent known. beasley is class because nobody can catch him and they foul him continuosly he will end up at psv <rumour> mastoeni and bocenegra are all said to have been being watched by european clubs tim howard has only conceded 5 goals in all competitions and saved more penalties then most keepers have saved in there career. than man utd have two american u 19 players one a stirker who starts on u19 manu squad and jonathen spector who they rexcently aquired . so say something that makes sense and that is truthful and yes germanys all satrs were playing< ballack kahn klose linke and ramelow oh i forgot they didnt play> i am being sarcastic
 

bennismalls

Youth Team
Originally posted by #1 Stunna
USA is not over .500 against Mexico...Mexico has won around 29 matches, while the US has around 10 victories. I agree that the US has caught up to Mexico...but they havent passed them...i'm not saying u said that but it is true that they are equally matched now.

But then by your argument Brazil and Mexico should also be ranked equally...they enver blow us out and our matches are always decided by one goal or less...they havent beaten us in about 6 matches (though 2 were against the U23 squad).

mexico have won 10 and us won 7 and then mexico beat brazil in thengold cup twice
 

bennismalls

Youth Team
Originally posted by Sky Reloaded
US don't suck, but they are not a world class team. I also think they play too rough, and rely solely on their fast attackers like Beasley. Also, those matches were US at full strength. I'd like to see what would happen if US key players were sidelined, and had to rely on their reserves.

are u crazy pope didnt play, califf didnt play, john obrien , beasley mcbride, greg vanney armas wolff, sanneh so this excuse is invalid and out the window
 

#1 Stunna

The Alpha Mexican
Originally posted by bennismalls
mexico have won 10 and us won 7 and then mexico beat brazil in thengold cup twice

since when are your stats? mine was from their first match to now.
 

bennismalls

Youth Team
Originally posted by theworldgame
stop talking about how you have qualified for the last 4 world cups - as you should realise that if Australia were in your little CONCACAF they would make it every tournament
and about the fed cup - we sent not even our youth reserves, lol
the team representing australia were not even the pick of the NSL - they were second string NSL players who were willing to gain a little prestige - not even getting paid much at all
look at each player of australia against the usa and you will see who is best?
how does US team compare - they dimply don't!!!!
i can't be bothered doing senegal - but if this doesn't show that aussies better than USA, nothing does
just get both to play full strength squads in friendly and watch aussies dominate
ok here we go i have nothing else to do right now so i am going

tim howard-playing for world class man utd
gregg vanney playing for bastia in germany get setpiece specialist and pacy
frankie hedjuk played for leberkusen speedy defender
beasley chicago fire is wanted by everyone very good showing in all tournaments
obrien
donavan
reyna
klye martino

i am not as jobless as u to write the whole list
 

theworldgame

Youth Team
USA suck

the players are not world class - they might be reasonable - only tim howard, brad friedel and casey keller are top class

the MLS might be a reasonable league - but only playing against average opponents week in, week out is not very impressive

so what if you sit on the bench or play for reserved for leverkusen, that is nothing special

US soccer is incredibly overrated, and the only reason they get any recognition is because of their financial strength - and fifa want to sell games to little American kids so they make them competitive enough to be used

It is common knowledge that other non top soccer nations are equally and more talented, and do not deserve the US to get such a high FIFA ranking because of all their easy qualification matches.

countries such as japan, senegal, nigeria, australia, mexico, south korea, wales, scotland, republic of ireland, sweden, denmark, uruguay, among others are just as good - and despite one off results it is clear that the US are not as good as any of these teams - and do not compare them to germany, portugal or holland as that is just ridiculous!!!
 

bennismalls

Youth Team
OH YEAH dc united beat tottnham 2-1 and 1-0 the dc united beat blacburn 2-0 and then in pks 6-5. and the teams were playing there best so what is ur excuse for that
 

Broadside

Club Supporter
only one way to settle this Ben, my people will talk to your people and we will tee up our national teams to play off.

The prize? New Zealand.

One thing I would concede is that the US team works better as a team - they mesh well together - the Aussies on the rare occasion they unite at full strength aren't as cohesive, despite some individual brilliance....and Viduka has never fired at National level

and a team of champions will probably not beat a champion team
 

Broadside

Club Supporter
the US beat New Zealand? wow looks like you just won the argument they are really good

don't worry a US team just won the World Series didn't they, now why do they call it that?
 

bennismalls

Youth Team
the most prestigious annual men’s event conducted by the U.S. Soccer Federation. The tournament, which was born in 1992, prior to the U.S. hosting their first World Cup, is usually staged as a four&#8209;team, six&#8209;game international tournament. The U.S. has won three tournament crowns, including the inaugural edition in 1992, while the team’s arch-rivals Mexico have also won three titles. In seven past tournaments, the U.S. has compiled a lifetime record of 9-7-4 against Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Denmark, England, Germany, Guatemala, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Nigeria, Peru, Portugal and South Africa.



The 2000 Nike U.S. Cup returned to its normal round-robin competition, after the 1999 tournament was played as two doubleheaders. The 2000 U.S. Cup was played across five dates, which included a doubleheader on the final day of tournament play. After a convincing 4-0 shutout of South Africa in the opening game, the USA managed a 1-1 draw with Ireland, who were coming off a come-from-behind 2-2 tie with Mexico. With Mexico downing South Africa 4-2 in their second match, that left a showdown with the U.S. on the final day of competition. In their first-ever international game at Giants Stadium, the crowd of 45,008 saw the USA end Mexico’s run of three straight Nike U.S. Cup titles with a 3-0 blanking. The victory was the first for the U.S. over Mexico since June, 1995.

wut ever u say u american haters
 
Originally posted by theworldgame
USA suck

the players are not world class - they might be reasonable - only tim howard, brad friedel and casey keller are top class

the MLS might be a reasonable league - but only playing against average opponents week in, week out is not very impressive

US soccer is incredibly overrated, and the only reason they get any recognition is because of their financial strength - and fifa want to sell games to little American kids so they make them competitive enough to be used

It is common knowledge that other non top soccer nations are equally and more talented, and do not deserve the US to get such a high FIFA ranking because of all their easy qualification matches.
You are reasonably retarded.

You just demonstrated in that post that you don't know what you're talking about.

I couldn't be bothered to argue with you. If you think your team is great, fine. If you think they're better than the US, great. Everyone has an opinion I guess. Just don't talk about US soccer because you obviously don't know sh*t on the subject. The US national team is definitely underrated. They have earned very little respect considering what they've recently achieved.

"US soccer is incredibly overrated, and the only reason they get any recognition is because of their financial strength - and fifa want to sell games to little American kids so they make them competitive enough to be used."

No, seriously - pull your head out of your ass.

:kader:

"It is common knowledge that other non top soccer nations are equally and more talented, and do not deserve the US to get such a high FIFA ranking because of all their easy qualification matches."

It's common knowledge that USA and Mexico barely qualified to the 2002 World Cup, and then went on to reach the quarterfinals and 2nd round respectively.
 

#1 Stunna

The Alpha Mexican
Originally posted by bennismalls
the most prestigious annual men’s event conducted by the U.S. Soccer Federation. The tournament, which was born in 1992, prior to the U.S. hosting their first World Cup, is usually staged as a four&#8209;team, six&#8209;game international tournament. The U.S. has won three tournament crowns, including the inaugural edition in 1992, while the team’s arch-rivals Mexico have also won three titles. In seven past tournaments, the U.S. has compiled a lifetime record of 9-7-4 against Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Denmark, England, Germany, Guatemala, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Nigeria, Peru, Portugal and South Africa.

The 2000 Nike U.S. Cup returned to its normal round-robin competition, after the 1999 tournament was played as two doubleheaders. The 2000 U.S. Cup was played across five dates, which included a doubleheader on the final day of tournament play. After a convincing 4-0 shutout of South Africa in the opening game, the USA managed a 1-1 draw with Ireland, who were coming off a come-from-behind 2-2 tie with Mexico. With Mexico downing South Africa 4-2 in their second match, that left a showdown with the U.S. on the final day of competition. In their first-ever international game at Giants Stadium, the crowd of 45,008 saw the USA end Mexico’s run of three straight Nike U.S. Cup titles with a 3-0 blanking. The victory was the first for the U.S. over Mexico since June, 1995.

wut ever u say u american haters

1) the Gold Cup is the most important cup
2) that Mexican team USA beat was a club...with 3 players from other clubs...not what i would call my "A" squad. ;)
 

Stuntman

Reserve Team
Originally posted by theworldgame
USA suck...do not compare them to germany, portugal or holland as that is just ridiculous!!!

I'm not going to compare the US to any of those teams, but I will remind you that in the 2002 World Cup, they beat Portugal and Mexico. If they sucked, they wouldn't have even made it out of their group.
 

pxpx35

Youth Team
Originally posted by #1 Stunna
USA is not over .500 against Mexico...Mexico has won around 29 matches, while the US has around 10 victories. I agree that the US has caught up to Mexico...but they havent passed them...i'm not saying u said that but it is true that they are equally matched now.

But then by your argument Brazil and Mexico should also be ranked equally...they enver blow us out and our matches are always decided by one goal or less...they havent beaten us in about 6 matches (though 2 were against the U23 squad).

Last 10 matches vs. Mexico

5 Wins, 4 Losses, 1 Tie

Mexico's dominance is no more.
 

swezwakov

Club Supporter
"the most prestigious annual men’s event conducted by the U.S. Soccer Federation. The tournament, which was born in 1992, prior to the U.S. hosting their first World Cup, is usually staged as a four&#8209;team, six&#8209;game international tournament. The U.S. has won three tournament crowns, including the inaugural edition in 1992, while the team’s arch-rivals Mexico have also won three titles. In seven past tournaments, the U.S. has compiled a lifetime record of 9-7-4 against Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia, Denmark, England, Germany, Guatemala, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, Nigeria, Peru, Portugal and South Africa."

The 2000 Nike U.S. Cup returned to its normal round-robin competition, after the 1999 tournament was played as two doubleheaders. The 2000 U.S. Cup was played across five dates, which included a doubleheader on the final day of tournament play. After a convincing 4-0 shutout of South Africa in the opening game, the USA managed a 1-1 draw with Ireland, who were coming off a come-from-behind 2-2 tie with Mexico. With Mexico downing South Africa 4-2 in their second match, that left a showdown with the U.S. on the final day of competition. In their first-ever international game at Giants Stadium, the crowd of 45,008 saw the USA end Mexico’s run of three straight Nike U.S. Cup titles with a 3-0 blanking. The victory was the first for the U.S. over Mexico since June, 1995.



Ben - where did you plagiarize this from? Just curious - give credit where credit is due. It's obviously not your writing.

Don't take this as picking a fight, either, because its not meant to be like that at all....

#1 Stunna - as for the games that I was using for the U.S.'s record vs. Mexico, I was using the information that UxSxAxfooty had mentioned earlier in the post, about how the U.S. was over .500 in the past 10 games versus Mexico. My bad - I should've been more specific. :) And as far as Mexico and Brazil being equals, well, we all know that's bull and for obvious reasons. Just like the U.S. shouldn't be considered better than Mexico... just a little bit more of an equal.

To get back to what theworldgame said about the U.S. having a more realistic target of 2020 (even though that isn't a World Cup year...), the U.S. actually created this goal in 1998, I believe, of aiming to win the World Cup in 2010. This is why they have Project-40, they have the Soccer Academy in Florida, etc. Their youth teams are starting to make noise in international tournaments because the U.S. Soccer Federation is putting its resources where it feels it needs to. Instead of worrying about how we do now, they're more concerned about the future - if we do good now, GREAT! If not, that's ok. Also, don't consider the U.S. as being a small nation - if you need any reassurance on the size, check a map. Its big. Big tends to equal lots of people, which usually tends to equal a larger player pool, which usually tends to equal a better team. For Math majors, the formula looks like this:

Big land = big player pool = better team

But the keyword is USUALLY. Doesn't always happen... I don't see China blowing out the likes of Brazil, right? :) So here's the thing - we've got tons of money, tons of talent. Its just a matter of harvesting the talent, getting the people trained and experienced, and building a winning tradition. It'll happen. I'm a firm believer in the fact that by 2010 the U.S. will have a legitimate shot at winning the World Cup, not just because I'm an American, but because I'm looking at it with a realistic view. We just have much more resources than so many other nations.

As a sidebar, watch out for a defender to be jumping on the scene for U.S. soccer - Pat Phelan. He went to my high school for a year here in Connecticut (I graduated the year before he was a freshman), then transfered to Loomis and joined the National Youth team. He's been awarded the Gold Ball by Nike for one of their tournaments as MVP (AND HE'S A MARKING BACK. A FREAKIN' MARKING BACK!) He was also one of the most sought after freshmen for the upcoming class in college, and signed with Wake Forest over Stanford, UConn, and Duke (plenty more wanted him). He's known for putting a 60-yard lob onto an attacker's foot, as well as creating all the attacks for his team from the back - his passes always have the intention of getting the team one step closer to scoring, not just to relieve pressure. He'll be an unbelieveable player, as long as the concussions don't catch up to him. Its players like Pat that are up and coming that will help take U.S. soccer to another level.
 

beastie bhoys

Club Supporter
Thanks for the interesting post Swezwakov.

I was just wondering, how much do you think these young player's development and potential world cup 2010 challenge might hinge on them getting experience outside the US? Although you do have a potentially large player pool and plenty of money and are also noted for the physical development of your athletes, I wonder how much tactical acumen they can draw on in the US. I admit I am largely ignorant on the American national side set up, I was just thinking of the kind of developmental bonuses John O'Brien might have recieved from being involved with the renowned Ajax training system.

Sorry if I'm making this thread go ridiculously off topic...erm I think Sweden are underrated.
 

swezwakov

Club Supporter
Obviously, it'll be huge for the players to be overseas. As you mentioned, John O'Brien is showing benefits of this, as are all the other players that are currently overseas. Freddy Adu, in my opinion, has benefited for the time being by not going overseas, because he wouldn't be able to play for the main squad until he turns 18 (he's 15 and just signed a 3-year contract with D.C. United in the MLS, which allows him to stay at home and play in the pro league in the U.S.).

But when Adu, Gaven, and all the other players of the U-17 U.S. squad decide that its time to make that next step, Europe is the only option. We have the money to train players, but that can't take away the valuable experience and real-time experience that a player gets from playing against starters for some nation's World Cup squad about once a week (maybe not that often, depending on which league they join). SO yeah, they do need to be overseas, and yeah, this is off-topic, but this post seems to have gone that way a long, LONG time ago. :)

Anywas, it looks like some people are starting to respect the U.S. a lil' more, which was my only intention of these rants. Hope this helps and hope this changes a couple people's opinions. If not, eh (insert shoulder shrug). That's ok. It's really only a game, in the end. :)
 


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