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Most Underrated (or Overrated) Team?

Pferd

Reserve Team
lol, preach it brother...

anyway, this thread made my head hurt. i think the various points made were:

Americans suck because they are rich
Americans suck because they are not poor
Americans suck because they run fast
Americans suck because they cannot beat Brazil

yeah, ok anyway I dont have fifa 2004, but 3 sounds like a reasonable rating for the US.

oh btw, anyone who thinks that only middle-class white kids play soccer, obviously hasn't been to America.
 

bennismalls

Youth Team
somebody make a comment about african soccer. i am african slash american lets argue y the african nations are underrated< just for the guy who said those 3 african nations were the reason that ....wutever i just want to start something dont reply this with ur smart a** comments
 

#1 Stunna

The Alpha Mexican
Originally posted by pxpx35
Concerning Mexico, who cares what squad Mexico brought to the game? They lost.

i care...cuz someone was trying to say that Mexico brought their "A" squad to the USA Cup...which they didnt.

Originally posted by pxpx35
Should I assume they brought Leon plus 2 other no good players to the World Cup when the US beat them?

Now you're just putting words in my mouth...i never have, or never will, make excuses for that game...USA was better.

Originally posted by pxpx35
Get over. The US won, handlely. Mexico has no dominance in this region.

Actually we still have dominance...but now we share it with you. ;)
 

theworldgame

Youth Team
who cares who's rich, poor, whatever class (although money helps to hire good coaches and facilities - but not important really)

the truth is that the gold cup is meaningless, similar to confed cup

also someone said that CONCACAF is neglected - try being part of OCEANIA where they take away your deserved 1 place, and try to rip you off again by making you play south america (COMNEBOL)

and about the african nations - of course they are better than USA, and 3 star rating is correct for USA - no more, otherwise they getting too high compared to other top nations who should be slightly above them

Mexico is internationally recognised by everyone except USA as the strongest team in CONCACAF, (although they are the only 2 reasonably strong nations in that confederation)

all this middle-class white kid rubbish is pretty pointless if you look at the forum topic

the truth is that US soccer is overrated - definitely not underrated, and their FIFA ranking is not fair, as they gain so many points from easy worlc cup qualifiers, and as these little CONCACAF nations play more - the US gains more points, leaving nations such as Australia falling behind in this unfair system

3 stars is fair. Any more would be unfair to stronger nations than US, and 2.5 would be a little harsh, but not completely unreasonable
 

pxpx35

Youth Team
Originally posted by theworldgame
who cares who's rich, poor, whatever class (although money helps to hire good coaches and facilities - but not important really)

the truth is that the gold cup is meaningless, similar to confed cup

also someone said that CONCACAF is neglected - try being part of OCEANIA where they take away your deserved 1 place, and try to rip you off again by making you play south america (COMNEBOL)

and about the african nations - of course they are better than USA, and 3 star rating is correct for USA - no more, otherwise they getting too high compared to other top nations who should be slightly above them

Mexico is internationally recognised by everyone except USA as the strongest team in CONCACAF, (although they are the only 2 reasonably strong nations in that confederation)

all this middle-class white kid rubbish is pretty pointless if you look at the forum topic

the truth is that US soccer is overrated - definitely not underrated, and their FIFA ranking is not fair, as they gain so many points from easy worlc cup qualifiers, and as these little CONCACAF nations play more - the US gains more points, leaving nations such as Australia falling behind in this unfair system

3 stars is fair. Any more would be unfair to stronger nations than US, and 2.5 would be a little harsh, but not completely unreasonable

The US gets its high ranking from qualifiers? You might want to research the crap you pull out of your butt.

When were the last qualifiers? Prior to the 2002 World Cup.

What was the US's rank going into Korea/Japan? 21st.

What has there rank been since? Up to 9th, now 12th.

Have there been any qualifiers since? No.

Like I said, crap out of your butt.

If what you said was true, Australia would be in the top 5.

And if Mexico is so internationally renowned in CONCACAF, they might want to work on beating us or something - especially in that World Cup thing. I hear its pretty big. If any nation is overrated by FIFA or EA, its Mexico. Don't get me wrong, they're good. I respect them. But they're not top 5 in the world.

Concerning the Gold Cup, I'd contend that Brazil sending their U23 team has more to do with not wanting to send their full senior side than anything else. Considering the Confeds Cup is played the month prior and their representative squad there was also a far cry from the World Cup team, it seems only reasonable they'd send a lesser squad to the Gold Cup. Especially considering its the tournament to decide the champion of this region. Personally, I'm against inviting teams from other regions, and would, ultimately, prefer an expansion of Copa America to actually include all of America.
 

#1 Stunna

The Alpha Mexican
Originally posted by pxpx35
And if Mexico is so internationally renowned in CONCACAF, they might want to work on beating us or something - especially in that World Cup thing. I hear its pretty big. If any nation is overrated by FIFA or EA, its Mexico. Don't get me wrong, they're good. I respect them. But they're not top 5 in the world.

why are you trying to make it sound like Mexico has never beaten USA...you guys just started to beat us...we've been beating u since before our parents were born.

And Italy and Spain should try and beat Korea in that "cup" u mentioned. ;)
 

pxpx35

Youth Team
Originally posted by #1 Stunna
why are you trying to make it sound like Mexico has never beaten USA...you guys just started to beat us...we've been beating u since before our parents were born.

And Italy and Spain should try and beat Korea in that "cup" u mentioned. ;)

Mexico has beaten us. Mexico has beaten us alot. We've just beaten Mexico more since 1990, and traditionally, Mexico has been considered the dominant team around these parts and actually retains the respect of much of the world.

And yes, Italy and Spain might want to try not choking next time. I relished in South Korea's victories.
 

pxpx35

Youth Team
US v Mexico since 1990

1990 - No games
1991 - 2-2 T (3/12), 2-0 W (7/5)
1992 - No games
1993 - 0-4 L (7/25), 1-1 T (10/13)
1994 - 1-0 W (6/4)
1995 - 4-0 W (6/18), 0-0 T (7/17) Mexico advances 4-1 PK in Copa America
1996 - 2-2 T (6/16)
1997 - 0-2 L (1/19) WCQ, 2-2 T (4/22) WCQ, 0-0 T (11/2) WCQ
1998 - 0-1 L (2/15)
1999 - 1-2 L (3/13), 0-1 L (8/1) OT
2000 - 3-0 W (6/11), 2-0 W (10/25)
2001 - 2-0 W (2/28) WCQ, 0-1 L (6/1) WCQ
2002 - 1-0 W (4/3), 2-0 W (6/17) WCF
2003 - 0-0 T (5/8)

Final US Record since 1990 8 wins, 6 loses, 7 draws.
In competetive matches, 2 wins, 2 loses, 4 draws.

That's my beef. Mexico gets more world respect than the US, but we've beaten them more.
 

#1 Stunna

The Alpha Mexican
Originally posted by pxpx35
That's my beef. Mexico gets more world respect than the US, but we've beaten them more.

but u havent done as much as us.

how many Confederations Cups have u won? how many Gold Cups? How many WCs have u qualified to? :mrpimp:
 

pxpx35

Youth Team
Mexico has won 4 Gold Cups, the US 2, Mexico defeating the US twice in the final.

Mexico has won 1 Confeds Cup and 3rd once. The US has earned 3rd place twice.

The US have qualified for every World Cup since 1990, whereas Mexico has only qualified for that last 3.
 

theworldgame

Youth Team
do you even know how world cup rankings are made? mainly from qualifiers- this makes impossible for Australia to get high ranking unless we win the world cup?

try get ranking points - get no points for beating Fiji - then have to play difficult match in south america, impossible to boost ranking

us gets many points for more qualifying matches, and triple the number of friendlies - mainly beacuse of geographical location

common facts
 

angel21

Youth Team
Originally posted by theworldgame
do you even know how world cup rankings are made? mainly from qualifiers- this makes impossible for Australia to get high ranking unless we win the world cup?

try get ranking points - get no points for beating Fiji - then have to play difficult match in south america, impossible to boost ranking

us gets many points for more qualifying matches, and triple the number of friendlies - mainly beacuse of geographical location

common facts

but u lost to uruguay for the wc... I hoped to see Australia in wc last year... Kewell is a great player!
 

#1 Stunna

The Alpha Mexican
Originally posted by pxpx35
The US have qualified for every World Cup since 1990, whereas Mexico has only qualified for that last 3.

But why didnt Mexico qualify? not because they lost to some sorry CONCACAF countries...but because they were disqualified from qualfying to the 1990 WC. Believe me, if they would have taken part they would've easily made it. ;)

the US is almost there...but as u yourself showed with your own facts...Mexico has done more.
 

bennismalls

Youth Team
Originally posted by theworldgame
the truth is that the gold cup is meaningless, similar to confed cup
also someone said that CONCACAF is neglected - try being part of OCEANIA where they take away your deserved 1 place, and try to rip you off again by making you play south america (COMNEBOL)
and about the african nations - of course they are better than USA, and 3 star rating is correct for USA - no more, otherwise they getting too high compared to other top nations who should be slightly above them
Mexico is internationally recognised by everyone except USA as the strongest team in CONCACAF, (although they are the only 2 reasonably strong nations in that confederation)

this guy, since when has any oceana team beat any world class team in a match other than a friendly that england bought ppl just getting international experience. of course the us recognize mexico... as the team we beat 2-0 in the 2nd round of the world cup final. african nations are the most overrated considering they also qualify from an easy caf division its always a three team race and cameroon always wins the nigeria/senegal then south africa and im sure we know that besides senegal< even they are slipping lately> dont have world claas talent any more just some local talent then some oldies eg. okocha oliseh , there whole defense except yobo. anyway we are not overrated
 

bennismalls

Youth Team
if look at the ratings of players for mexico and us us have more higher rating player
donovan 82
obrien 86
reyna74
and so on but all i see mexico haveing is one 85 or something and that is rafa marquez so shouldnt that make the us higher rated then mexico and also bealey is underrated along with robinho 71 for the most fouled player in the concacaf region<just a guess but who else would be>
 

theworldgame

Youth Team
african football is still miles ahead of CONCACAF

mexico still has some top players, and the US have a couple

but countries such as senegal, cameroon, south-africa and nigeria have greater depth and better top players

which US players can rival diouf, eto'o, okocha, martins, and more - only one from each mentioned - but many more playing in spain, italy, germany, england, france, holland

USA is nowhere near these nations in terms of footballing talent
 

MadAZNFootballe

Youth Team
Korea should be better than just 2 and a half....yea they made it to the semis at WC2002 with a lil help from the refs...but still they are pretty damn good......maybe 3 or 3.5 for them...o yea in WC2002 Korea dominated the US.......lucky for the US it only ended in a draw game could have been 3-1 or 4-1


It also blows this game doesnt have the Netherlands or Japan in this game...damn EA too poor to afford their licenses....AGAIN
 

Broadside

Club Supporter
Ben, get your facts right - England was near World Cup strength for the friendly when Australia towelled them 3-1. England brought on the youngsters in the second half and did a lot better but the damage had already been done against the senior players.

And to cite EA ratings that US has more higher rated players than Mexico is not really valid. The whole point of this thread was that EA ratings are skewed.

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Socceroos win 3-1 against England
February 14 2003
By Shifty Silkstone



Related links:
Australia v England International Friendly



Australia stunned England in one of the biggest upsets in soccer history today winning 3-1 against a near World Cup strength English team.

The victory was Australia's first win over England and was set up by goals from Tony Popovich and star striker Harry Kewell to give the Socceroos a deserved 2-0 advantage midway through the international friendly at Upton Park in London.

The team of novices which came on for England in the second half pulled a goal back when Francis Jeffers headed in a Jermaine Jenas cross in the 69th minute.

A late goal from Brett Emerton put the result for Australia beyond doubt.

"I'm very happy. Happy doesn't cover it," said Australian manager Frank Farina after the game.

"I thought we performed magnificently well and thoroughly deserved the three goals. We could have had more."

The Socceroos stunned England in the first half, putting early pressure on the home side as Harry Kewell forced several saves from the English keeper and Birmingham's Stan Lazaridis raided up and down the left flank.

Crystal Palace defender Tony Popovich took the lead for the green and gold when he jumped above Gary Neville to head home a curling Lazaridis free kick in the 17th minute.

Kewell, who was under an injury cloud before the game, doubled the lead three minutes before half time when a Rio Ferdinand stumble enabled him to cooly dribble around goalkeeper David James.

The talk before the game was of the wholesale changes English manager Sven Goran Eriksson planned to make at half time but the Socceroos made the English first stringers look decidedly second rate.

Leeds star, Kewell was the dominant player on the field, darting down the right side and coming close to scoring on at least four occasions before adding his name to the scoresheet.

The capacity crowd included a large Australian contingent, whose chants of, "Come on Aussie, Come on," drowned out the traditional songs of the England supporters.

For the home side, Manchester United midfielder Paul Scholes thought he had scored from a goalmouth scramble just minutes after Popovich's goal but England's woes increased when the goal was ruled offside by the assistant referee.

Liverpool striker Michael Owen came close but pushed his shot wide at the half way mark of the first term while defender Sol Campbell had a header cleared from the Australian goal line.

But the half belonged to Australia with skipper Paul Okon holding down the central midfield and Birmingham's Stan Lazaridis, an Upton Park regular during his stint with West Ham, giving England's superstar captain David Beckham plenty of trouble.

All week the clash had shaped as a game of two halves with Eriksson under extreme pressure from Premier League managers to rest star players.

Despite the surprise half-time deficit, the English manager made good on a promise to change the entire team, replacing his established stars with an under 26 lineup spearheaded by Aston Villa's Darius Vassell and 17-year-old Wayne Rooney, who became the youngest player ever to don the England shirt.

The youthful Englishmen mustered more of a fight than their illustrious counterparts but the second half was a scrappy affair as both sides made plenty of changes and struggled for rhythm.

Rooney looked sharp and Newcastle youngster Jermaine Jenas caused problems on the right flank, whipping a cross for Jeffers to score with a glancing header in the 67th minute.

But Australia settled and finished the stronger with Emerton imposing himself on the game after Kewell's substitution in the 60th minute.

The Feyenoord star sealed the result for Australia when striker John Aloisi put him through on goal and he coolly slotted past the English keeper in the 84th minute.
 

theworldgame

Youth Team
USA just stop comparing yourselves to other nations and rating yourselves higher

We all know, and you're just arguing for the sake of it - that USA is average team and 2.5-3 stars is correct decision by EA
 

liljames

Youth Team
hey the point is both teams are good but they arent worldclass, you call a team worldclass when they win a major tourney EG World cup and second to the world cup is the olympic games
 


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