New Kit format???- What do you guys think of this??

[V-9]

What do guys think of this? I know that there are already enough kit formats out there. But what if there is a format that is a combination of both 32 bit and 2GK. You can have the colors of 32 bit and the resolution of 2GK. I have come up with a such a format. I don't know what it will be called yet since all of these names are silly. But my kit format is in 24 bit with 4 sleeves. And the following dimensions:
front and back of jersey= 192x192 pixels
sleeves and socks= 96x96 pixels
shorts= 150x96 pixels

As you might noticed, these sizes are bigger than 32 bit kits and smaller than 2GK. You can have detailed kits with 24 bit colors. 24 bit and 32 bit are not that different in terms of colors. They both have an unlimited amount of colors you can use. I was only able to get 24 bit to work. 32 bit with these sizes crashed. Maybe someone can improved and make it 32 bit. But for now, at 24 bit it works fine.
Here is the following textures that I've have tested.
1. 2GK- Somewhat Compatible- the sleeves may not work
2. 2GK2S-Somewhat compatible, the sleeves may not work all of the time since this kit format was made with 4S
3. 2GK4S-Compatible
4. 32bit4S-Compatible
5. 3GK- should work since 2GK4S work.

This kit format unfortunately don't work with the following texture.big and player.big
1. EA's original texture.big and player.big
2. Yj's 2S patch

Comments or opinions.

I would like to note that this kit format was made using Ariel Santarelli's 2GK4S and 32bit4S ideas and creations. I had the idea of combining the benefits of 32 bit and 2GK technologies together for awhile now. None of this would be possible without Yj's 2S ideas and Ariel's continuing work on 2Gk,3GK and 4S. So please don't label me as stolen someone's ideas. If the majority think that this format is a bad idea, then I will keep it to myself.
Who knows, maybe Ariel can improved on this and make a 3GK version of this with the keeper's kit included. Anyway, here is a picture of the size of each parts of the kit. Also kudos to anyone who can come up with a good name for the format. You can tried out my Ajax home and away kits. Play them in a friendly to see how the kits look.
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/specialjuice/lst?&.dir=/Fifa2002/V94S&.src=bc&.view=l&.last=1

 

[hiryuu.com]

hey cool!
so does this mean it should work on almost ANY computer????
let's see a name
V9 format
Virtual Kits?
1GK24Bits4SPCK???
PC Kits?
B kits? (the B stands for BEST)
mmm
what else?
BTEASK??? (Better than EA Sports Kits)???
I dunno...
but I will try them

 

[V-9]

Originally posted by hiryuu.com
hey cool!
so does this mean it should work on almost ANY computer????
let's see a name
V9 format
Virtual Kits?
1GK24Bits4SPCK???
PC Kits?
B kits? (the B stands for BEST)
mmm
what else?
BTEASK??? (Better than EA Sports Kits)???
I dunno...
but I will try them

hiryuu.com. I don't know if it works on any PC since you need the 2GK4S textures or the soon to be released 32 bit 4S textures from socceraccess.com. I am hoping that someone who can't get 2GK to work, tried this out. Of course, you need the 2GK textures to try this.

 

[hiryuu.com]

they worked for me...
here's the screenshot (excuse the colorful net on the back, I was experimenting):

 

[Gareth]

A name? Hmmm, how about something like KE2002, or just KE, which is Kits Extreme, or EK2002/EK for Extreme Kits.
Hmmmm

 

[Hakeem]

new kits from ariel

I think ariel is trying to combine 3gk with 32 bit, I think its going to be 3gk sizes for the front(256x256) in 32 bit and the other parts are the size of the 32 bit kits, as the really important part of the kit is the front. This would be really great and it should be the ultimate kit type.

 

[emmer]

hey V-9 I think your idea is really great!

I'd like to know how about using just 16 bits instead of 24. Is it advantageous?

I think maybe (I'm not sure) it would be good using 16 bits. It's about 65K colors and that can be enough for a nice looking of the kits. With 256 colors the kits doesn't look so crap, so I think 65K would be good enough.

So the question is: would the size (I mean in KB, disk space) get a good decrease to make up the decrease of the color quality?? If yes, you could change your project from 24 to 16 bits. If not, just nevermind.

I'm not criticizing your project. I like your works very much, it's just a suggestion.

 

[emmer]

just sorry about my crappy english

 

[Ashley Cole]

Good kits, and a good idea, but I thought Ajax's home kit didn't have adidas stripes because the fans hated them? Excellent otherwise

^AC

 

[Alex]

Sounds good man, Its like what we suggested after that argument we were having...I would definatley endorse and use this format, but once question, how big is the crst file? I know u hardly notice unless u r up close, but when in a goal celebration u can read the writing on the crest, it is just something good to show off!
Anyway if it isnt going to be big, it shouldnt matter..
Great Work!
As for the name, u need something simple and original, and I would stay away from letter (ie. Abbreviations) this confuses people that r new to the community...
Cheers

 

[V-9]

Thanks for all the input guys. I have a dilemma on my hands. I am trying to make or find a format that will be compatible with the two main kit formats out there-32 bit and 2GK. My kits is already a hybrid of these two. Erm, Hybrid kits. Oh well, what I want is to have 4 sleeves. Now, I know that Ariel and Yj uses different files for the left and right sleeves. I want to make my kit format be compatible to both Yj's 2S and Ariel 's 4S. This is where the dilemma comes in. It is impossible to make compatible with the two format because of the different files used for the sleeves. I guess I can make two versions of it, one to be compatible with most of the 2S 32 bit at soccered and one compatible with Ariel's 32 bit 4S. I might have to go into that direction. It is too bad that we can't sort out the sleeves. But I guess, it is because Yj came up with the 2S idea first and Ariel with the 4S, he didn't want to make it like he has stolen Yj's ideas. Oh, well. I just hope there will be more collaboration in the future of breakthrough ideas. Back to perfecting my kit format. I am trying to make it smaller in files size. Right now, it is quite big for one .fsh (around 422 kb).

 

[Alex]

yep this is what happens when those who are making new kit typed dont tell each other what they are doing....which i dont want to p***-off anyone but Ariel is always so secretive with his work, until he has it working, and is sure he can do it...
Are u guys gonna switch to 32bit-4S now they are created? or stay with 2S?

 

[Yj]

yeh keep it going V-9 cant wait.....

yea i agree we should share new breakthroughs and new ideas, like Fifafx, who always share everything about their proggie, and now that Soccered has also released their NHL textures for everyone to use, i sincerely hope people like Ariel or those guys at FIFAMania can share their work and explain their breakthrough, instead of keeping mum and keep these techniques as a secret. It is pretty pointless because I'm sure EA Sports would be laughing at their efforts... because EA has all the correct proggies to work and not things like HEXIDEMAL.

Maybe one thing EA cant understand is FIFAfx.....LOL

 

[Yj]

might as well try with V-9's version, i always thought 2GK was way too big.... and EA Default is way too small, so now V-9 is trying to outsmart both ... that's very cool!

as for 2S, hmm i think u can do away with the 2S technique and use what ever that is the best. If it has to be changed just change it

32-bit-4S is pretty impressive although i must say there can be many different kit techniques now..... (way too many actually)

 

[V-9]

Originally posted by Yj
might as well try with V-9's version, i always thought 2GK was way too big.... and EA Default is way too small, so now V-9 is trying to outsmart both ... that's very cool!

as for 2S, hmm i think u can do away with the 2S technique and use what ever that is the best. If it has to be changed just change it

32-bit-4S is pretty impressive although i must say there can be many different kit techniques now..... (way too many actually)

Well. I am glad you said that because I am in the middle of editing the player.big to have 4S compatible with yours. And to put it bluntly, is a b*tch. 32 bit 4S should be fine since it is the same format as the 2GK4S. I mean the sleeves. But I think this format will catch on because it is just like 32 bit 2S and therefore we can make kits with horizonatal stripes on the sleeves ala Celtic and Sporting. THis will also be less demanding on the system so more people can use these kits without having their PC crashed using 2GK. I am hoping to perfect my format as well with the intention of using the advantages of both 32 bit and 2GK technologies.

 

[Alex]

yep i download the kits, havent checked them yet, but im happy because of the big crst!!
Now all we have to do is get a goallie kit without having to release a new fifa2002.exe because some AI patches also need different exes, of course the big one, EA's patch is overwritten by 3GKs new exe.
I really like having Goallie kits in 3GK though, so i think one of u smart people out there should do it...hey is there a way we can, rather then chaning the exe, get it to call a dll, this way we wouldnt have to change the actual exe, ive heard of it being done with other games, but im not so sure about FIFA

 

[emmer]

suggestions to try making the kits smaller:
1. 16 bits instead of 24
2. socks with original dimension res. 64x64 or another one smaller than 96x96

if I am posting much stupid things please tell me and I stop with them (I think )

a name for this... ahn..

PerfeKits?

 

[Ashley Cole]

V-9, did you have anything to do with the Italy kit in the FIFAFX World Cup patch, because that uses 192*192, 96*96 and 150*96?

 

[V-9]

Originally posted by Ashley Cole
V-9, did you have anything to do with the Italy kit in the FIFAFX World Cup patch, because that uses 192*192, 96*96 and 150*96?

Do you know if it is 32 or 24 bit? I didn't make it. Maybe someone had the same idea as me.

 

[Ashley Cole]

It's basically 1.5GK (hjfr is 256 colours, the rest are 32 bit). it uses the medium and low resolutions as well, though

^AC