NFL Thread 2014

[Filipower]

Nah man come on, you give that to Lynch everytime precisely because the throw they tried could also fail, and with much bigger probability. Putting it on Lynch could fail, but it was such an obviously correct choice that if somehow they didn't score, they would have at least they done the most intelligent thing. If they hadn't been intercepted, would we be calling them geniuses? Well perhaps, but I wouldn't agree with that. Even if they had made it, it would have still been the dumbest choice of the two.

 

[Filipower]

Your thoughts on Marshawn Lynch, btw? His off field shenanigans, I mean. I don't know if the whole "Shout out to my real Africans out there" thing is supposed to be a joke, but it's not a very funny one tbh. I get his antics with the media, but like, you were born in California man. In 1986. Settle down with the "african" thing, it's a bit too much; you can be a black person and still be racist.

 

[regularcat]

Theoretically speaking, either the pass play works and the game is likely over, or it's incomplete and they more than likely run it next play. Even if they're stopped they can use their last time out.

I would almost agree with this if they had been on 20 or 10 yard line but they
were on the 2 yard line.

If they ran the ball and had not scored it would have taken almost no time to
line back up and run the play again.

I'm willing to bet had they done that and not scored and lined back up quickly
they would have scored because the defense wouldn't have had the time to adjust and get lined up.

Either way they blew the game, even after a miracle reception, football gods
were on their side and the spit it back in the faces of the football gods.

I'm still wondering why Russel Wilson waits until the Super Bowl to stay in the pocket until he is sacked and not take off running down the field.

 

[Back Door Skip]

Nah man come on, you give that to Lynch everytime precisely because the throw they tried could also fail, and with much bigger probability. Putting it on Lynch could fail, but it was such an obviously correct choice that if somehow they didn't score, they would have at least they done the most intelligent thing. If they hadn't been intercepted, would we be calling them geniuses? Well perhaps, but I wouldn't agree with that. Even if they had made it, it would have still been the dumbest choice of the two.

I feel like you didn't read my previous post.

Your thoughts on Marshawn Lynch, btw? His off field shenanigans, I mean. I don't know if the whole "Shout out to my real Africans out there" thing is supposed to be a joke, but it's not a very funny one tbh. I get his antics with the media, but like, you were born in California man. In 1986. Settle down with the "african" thing, it's a bit too much; you can be a black person and still be racist.

I think he's a beast and I think it's stupid he gets so much flack for not wanting to talk to the media. I read somewhere that he has anxiety with interviews and other stuff... similar to what Ricky Williams went through, but eventually got past it.

Lynch is a colorful dude, but very private and the media seems to forcefully want to get to know what he doesn't want to share. It's much ado about nothing.


Also, dude is pretty funny in the right setting.

 

[Back Door Skip]

I would almost agree with this if they had been on 20 or 10 yard line but they
were on the 2 yard line.

If they ran the ball and had not scored it would have taken almost no time to
line back up and run the play again.

I'm willing to bet had they done that and not scored and lined back up quickly
they would have scored because the defense wouldn't have had the time to adjust and get lined up.

Either way they blew the game, even after a miracle reception, football gods
were on their side and the spit it back in the faces of the football gods.

I'm still wondering why Russel Wilson waits until the Super Bowl to stay in the pocket until he is sacked and not take off running down the field.

There was 25 seconds when the ball was snapped for the play. If any reason the play goes awry - a fumbled snap, a misread, a missed block, him getting stuffed, etc, they would have to burn their last time out and likely be down to just one play. Carroll explained that since Belichick didn't stop the clock, their plan was to try and pass it one play then run it. If the run didn't work, they can kill the clock and have an extra down to try again. Can't fault them for that line of thinking; they just didn't anticipate an undrafted rookie to recognize the play and jump the route.

 

[MaestroZidane]

I have to say, Bilichick has some big Cajones, for not calling a time out as the clock was winding down when Seattle had the ball. He pretty much forced them to decide what they had to do. Other coaches would have stopped the clock, looked for them to score so they could get the ball back and then have time to try and have a go at it themselves. I know I was looking for the time out to be called and stop the clock.

 

[Bobby]

I know he's Marshawn Lynch and everything but the Pats were playing run and Carroll was looking to surprise them. New England dropped four and appeared to have left a soft spot between the safeties and the blitzing linebackers which is where Wilson threw it and Lockette ran to, but like Skip said, Browner jamming the WR left Butler free to plug the gap, which he made up a ton of space to do.

It was just a great defensive play. Imagine the media hard on had Sherman done it.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Yeah, that's what everyone around me is saying too. A play action is the correct play call, because the Pats will stack the box and sell out for the run.

 

[Filipower]

I understand your points but had they done what Lynch has been doing like no one else all season, and IF they missed they at least wouldn't get the what if, disappointment, and self condemnation they do for this (I'm talking their own feelings and perceptions, not the media's or whatever). They will be wondering for the rest of their lives. They wouldn't be if they had tried running it, I don't think. And even with all the reasons you guys are stating (which are obviously the reasons Carroll did it, I mean he didn't just decided to go crazy), I still think they would have had a better shot just beast moding it.

 

[Back Door Skip]

Stacked for a Pick

Shown below, the Seahawks use three wideouts with Lockette (#83) and Jermaine Kearse (#15) in a stack to the offensive right side. Doug Baldwin (#89) goes in motion from right to left ‒ followed by Patriots cornerback Darrelle Revis (#24), which shows Wilson that New England is in man-to-man defense. The Patriots put seven linemen and linebackers on the line of scrimmage to defend against the run:

The obvious read against New England’s defensive look is the stack, because the tight spacing allows for combination routes, where one receiver tries to spring the other open. That is what Seattle tries here, with Kearse running straight ahead and Lockette running a quick slant behind him, creating a natural pick.

However, Seattle often struggles with executing combination routes: Kearse, due in part to a strong jam from Browner, is unable to get deep enough in the end zone to impede Butler, who has a clear path to the ball. The rookie drives aggressively from his off-man position, beating Lockette to the spot and securing the football.
The Art of War

Butler made an outstanding play, and did so because he was prepared. New England head coach Bill Belichick is fond of the Sun Tzu quote, “Every battle is won before it’s ever fought.” Christopher Price reported that the Patriots scout team had run the exact same play in practice during the week and beaten Butler for a touchdown. The rookie learned from his mistake in practice and then delivered the critical play on game day. It is impossible to imagine a more fitting ending for the Patriots championship season.

http://soshcentral.com/nfl/film-stu.../02/03/super-bowl-xlix-malcolm-butler-middle/

 

[Mandieta6]

To be fair, had they run the ball and had to use their timeout we'd probably be criticising them, too.

 

[Back Door Skip]

To be fair, had they run the ball and had to use their timeout we'd probably be criticising them, too.

Yeah, the criticism is mostly because they were at the 1 1/2 yard line and didn't score. And against the hated Patriots. Otherwise it would have died down by now.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Yeah, the criticism is mostly because they were at the 1 1/2 yard line and didn't score. And against the hated Patriots. Otherwise it would have died down by now.

Absolutely.

And Fili, the other point is that Russell Wilson is a very accomplished runner of the ball; the play leaves open the option for Wilson to run it himself in the end zone with his excellent speed and athleticism. With the defense spread out, this probably would have been the best option; had Wilson seen the tight coverage and rolled left he would have scored. Also, the criticism is probably just echoing Collinsworth's criticism at the time of the pick; people don't have individual thoughts on things like this.

 

[Filipower]

Oh yeah he totally could have ran with it, that's the other thing, the execution of the play wasn't all that great. He could have either ran to the space on his right or made a better pass, I don't think the pass itself was very good.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Yeah, it was a bad pass. I think the WR would have been tackled short of the goal line had the pass been on target, but then again you never know.

 

[Mandieta6]

I think that if Russell had waited he would have had no targets and would have had to either throw it away or get a sack and would have lost lots of time. He could have scored, too, but with all that in mind and seeing his target in space, I can see why he didn't abort.

Why did Browner leave Seattle? It must hurt that he had such a major role in costing them the title. Is he the first player to win back to back SBs with different teams?

 

[ShiftyPowers]

I think that if Russell had waited he would have had no targets and would have had to either throw it away or get a sack and would have lost lots of time. He could have scored, too, but with all that in mind and seeing his target in space, I can see why he didn't abort.

Why did Browner leave Seattle? It must hurt that he had such a major role in costing them the title. Is he the first player to win back to back SBs with different teams?

I'm sure he's not. Can't think of anyone off the top of my head, but free agency is very common.

 

[Bobby]

I think that if Russell had waited he would have had no targets and would have had to either throw it away or get a sack and would have lost lots of time. He could have scored, too, but with all that in mind and seeing his target in space, I can see why he didn't abort.

Why did Browner leave Seattle? It must hurt that he had such a major role in costing them the title. Is he the first player to win back to back SBs with different teams?

Got paid. Because of the cap you see players in the NFL move around a lot simply because their team can't afford them anymore.

Deion Sanders won back-to-back with San Francisco and Dallas, I think some others may have too. Not sure who though.

 

[Back Door Skip]

I think that if Russell had waited he would have had no targets and would have had to either throw it away or get a sack and would have lost lots of time. He could have scored, too, but with all that in mind and seeing his target in space, I can see why he didn't abort.

Why did Browner leave Seattle? It must hurt that he had such a major role in costing them the title. Is he the first player to win back to back SBs with different teams?

He was suspended and Maxwell took his spot. They won the Super Bowl with Maxwell in his spot, so they deemed him expandable. It's fairly common in the NFL due to the salary cap.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Why did Browner leave Seattle? It must hurt that he had such a major role in costing them the title.

Also, why would it hurt at all? He won. Loyalty in the NFL means even less than it does in soccer.