NK FOOTBALL © - Lets go Old Skool

[bruno167]

For me the shooting of 4.5 beta type B is the best.
Maybe should be a little bit harder but i think in general is the best shooting system of your gameplays.

So i hope you could include this mechanic in one of the levels of the your new gameplay. (may be the easy level)

 

[Renkman]

NK you play with gamepad right?
Because i am a keyboard player and I have a big problem with your shooting system. let me explain why: on keyboard you only have 8 directions to choose. on pad you have endlessly directions. And the Problem with shooting is that the shot only gets to the direction you shoot. And when you want to shoot for example from the middle into the left corner its impossible with the board. That is the point for me. I also like it when the shooting is more difficult but you should add a mechanic who "knows" in which CORNER you want to shoot and NOT in which DIRECTION. You know what I mean? the shoot mechanic of 4.5 beta (not the WE 5 beta 1.0 !!) was almost perfect just a little bit easier and a little bit more high shots and thats it.
Hope you understand the Problem with the keyboard!

 

[cosminnfs]

NK you play with gamepad right?
Because i am a keyboard player and I have a big problem with your shooting system. let me explain why: on keyboard you only have 8 directions to choose. on pad you have endlessly directions. And the Problem with shooting is that the shot only gets to the direction you shoot. And when you want to shoot for example from the middle into the left corner its impossible with the board. That is the point for me. I also like it when the shooting is more difficult but you should add a mechanic who "knows" in which CORNER you want to shoot and NOT in which DIRECTION. You know what I mean? the shoot mechanic of 4.5 beta (not the WE 5 beta 1.0 !!) was almost perfect just a little bit easier and a little bit more high shots and thats it.
Hope you understand the Problem with the keyboard!

Yes, that could be the problem. I play on keyboard on Pro difficulty and the same happens, the players shoot waaay wide of goal. And if i'm not mistaking, the shooting mechanic from 4.5b was the default EA shooting mechanic or a bit modified i'm not sure.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

ok ok guys here's a BIG problem with WE5 beta!


FILE MASTER 07 is buggy. I imported MY AI and CPU files into the INI and CONFIG files and sent it out in a nice little installer right?? NOPE! File Master 07 for some damn reason or another bugged them up and it was dated. At first I thought it was me making a mistake, so I checked the folder in which the files I used are there. Guess what? They are 100% correct, all values. So why not in WE5 beta? Cause File Master 07 screwed me over! This is the reason I was so confused that you guys had trouble shooting. Cause of course you were playing something else.

Maybe the same version as beta4.0. But whatever it is, I'll sort it out and get a new beta to you guys asap.

NK.

 

[cosminnfs]

ok ok guys here's a BIG problem with WE5 beta!


FILE MASTER 07 is buggy. I imported MY AI and CPU files into the INI and CONFIG files and sent it out in a nice little installer right?? NOPE! File Master 07 for some damn reason or another bugged them up and it was dated. At first I thought it was me making a mistake, so I checked the folder in which the files I used are there. Guess what? They are 100% correct, all values. So why not in WE5 beta? Cause File Master 07 screwed me over! This is the reason I was so confused that you guys had trouble shooting. Cause of course you were playing something else.

Maybe the same version as beta4.0. But whatever it is, I'll sort it out and get a new beta to you guys asap.

NK.

no wonder...looking forward.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

You guys were playing the correct or near enough updated CPU, but the AI (ball physics, shooting, etc) was pretty dated.

Soooo I'm fixing this now.

NK.

 

[FifaVoetbal]

NK you play with gamepad right? Because I am a keyboard player and I have a big problem with your shooting system. Let me explain why: on keyboard you only have 8 directions to choose. On pad you have endlessly directions. And the problem with shooting is that the shot only gets to the direction you shoot. And when you want to shoot for example from the middle into the left corner it's impossible with the board. That is the point for me.

That's exactly what I meant with 'my shooting problem'. As promised, I've put my feedback in a YouTube video, so you can see the issues yourself watching ingame footage. It is taken from a training session with players of Real Madrid and shows some of the main issues I've experienced testing your latest version.

CLICK HERE!

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

i know the problem. It wasn't FILE MASTER 07 (thank god!! this program is great, if it did have a bug i'd be screwed! apologies to the Rinaldo).

It was the Click Team Instal Maker Pro. It didn't delete and re-fresh the directory and instead gave me an older directory for the files, so obviously my updated directory was not even put into the installer.exe. DAMN!

I am re-releasing WE5beta5.0. I am completely lost with it all now though. So this feedback will get us back on track. Some stuff you may like more, some stuff may not. trial and error.

click here to download re-released beta5.0

Thanks guys,
NK.

 

[KaseyKeller]

That's exactly what I meant with 'my shooting problem'. As promised, I've put my feedback in a YouTube video, so you can see the issues yourself watching ingame footage. It is taken from a training session with players of Real Madrid and shows some of the main issues I've experienced testing your latest version.

CLICK HERE!

I like the fact that shooting is difficult, especially while you're sprinting and are outside the box. However, I agree there shouldn't be as many bad misses with world class players from inside the 18.

 

[cosminnfs]

That's exactly what I meant with 'my shooting problem'. As promised, I've put my feedback in a YouTube video, so you can see the issues yourself watching ingame footage. It is taken from a training session with players of Real Madrid and shows some of the main issues I've experienced testing your latest version.

CLICK HERE!

The stuff in the footage is exactly what i'm talking about.

Edit: I tried the latest beta and i must say the shooting is better but what i said earlier still counts in this update. So... i noticed and i also think this is why the 3-4 man chasing is happening, is that the cpu players in any situation they mark pin-point every pass option. And because maybe the pressing is set to high, the players that are blocking the passing lanes if there are 3 players, then 3 players will come in and "box" you. So this has to be fixed. Also the pace-control dosen't work again, the players rushed at you like a freight train, the CPU players are unmovable buildings, AND i noticed a bug since 4.5 version and this is that when you keep pressing D when the CPU has the ball, this means the human players will follow the CPU player that has the ball, but since 4.5 the human player moves erraticly... like i don't know...he.... surrounds him and one time he's moving away from him and another him he's approaching him... i don't know but that has to be fixed. Also I noticed this for a long time and i suggested this to you and that is that the CPU had super-human reflexes when it comes to dribbling, changing direction etc. If i'm one on one with a defender and I do a dribbling that involves pushing the ball by his side so i can get past him.. the defender goes to that direction from the moment i touch the ball to push it around him. There should be a delay cause otherwise the principle of dribbling isn't applied in FIFA cause the most basic definition of dribbling is that you accelerate past a defender leaving him a bit behind whereas in FIFA the defender knows what to do even before I apply the dribble. You can check that by yourself. And it's annoying cause the defender barely touches the ball and he get it off you. It's like he's laughing at you.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

That's exactly what I meant with 'my shooting problem'. As promised, I've put my feedback in a YouTube video, so you can see the issues yourself watching ingame footage. It is taken from a training session with players of Real Madrid and shows some of the main issues I've experienced testing your latest version.

CLICK HERE!

Try the new beta. This problem is solved. the issue was that the original beta 5.0 was dated. The re-released version is the one I was playing and is the reason I was confused that you guys had so much trouble scoring or hitting the target in these positions. The new version fixes this problems.

You should notice the cpu attack is better and dribbling and speed aswell as marking is really based on attributes. So in some cases you can just run past defenders with sheer pace, no skill required. In some cases you'll have to try.


NK.

 

[cosminnfs]

NK for Christ Sake i played a full match and again I had 0 shots (me) not on target but 0 shots the whole game. I don't know why you played around again with the pressing and the marking and all that cause the overall gameplay is again the hard-impossible type not the realistic one that was in 4.4 beta. You have got to stop doing this. And you say the marking is based on ability but after every pass i received I entered replay mode and I lowered the camera so I can see towards my passing options and all the CPU players where i swear to God 100% between me and the receiver. It's like they have eyes at the back of they're heads. Even Robinho was marking guess who... Eto'o ! And he was standing so perfectly between me and eto'o that if i have passed the ball would have been passed exactely between hes legs. Again I remind you that i'm playing on Pro. I think I'm going back to 4.4 and call it the final one for me.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

NK for Christ Sake i played a full match and again I had 0 shots (me) not on target but 0 shots the whole game. I don't know why you played around again with the pressing and the marking and all that cause the overall gameplay is again the hard-impossible type not the realistic one that was in 4.4 beta. You have got to stop doing this. And you say the marking is based on ability but after every pass i received I entered replay mode and I lowered the camera so I can see towards my passing options and all the CPU players where i swear to God 100% between me and the receiver. It's like they have eyes at the back of they're heads. Even Robinho was marking guess who... Eto'o ! And he was standing so perfectly between me and eto'o that if i have passed the ball would have been passed exactely between hes legs. Again I remind you that i'm playing on Pro. I think I'm going back to 4.4 and call it the final one for me.

Don't sweat, because of the mixup I am playing the same game as you and I can see these things myself! 0 shots is a shocker!! Right, move down to Semi-pro and play a game on that if you could please and see if it's any easier. This is for testing purposes only to make quick vital progress for the playing style you enjoy and make it into the final.

Don't settle for 4.4 beta ya wolly!


edit: yep looked through the cpu and can see where I had updated it all before and it's gone back. Let me sort this out for Semi-Pro difficulty. Professional difficulty will also be reduced slightly. World Class and Legendary will remain in-tact for the most challenging.

Cheers bro,
NK.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

5.1 beta

here's WE5beta5.1

Quick update to CPU. Try Semi-pro for most changes. Professional is less aggressive also.

World Class and legendary remain.

WE5beta5.1 download here

NK.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

here's WE5beta5.1

Quick update to CPU. Try Semi-pro for most changes. Professional is less aggressive also.

World Class and legendary remain.

WE5beta5.1 download here

NK.

Even this beta may still be a little too aggressive in area's. I shall release these quick beta's until Semi-pro and professional level are of a fair standard playing skill for those expecting a more balanced, fair game and not an equal to that or above the original EA World Class difficulty.

I have however just started a 20 min game playing as England v Brazil on professional and scored instantly against the less-aggressive nature of the cpu. they accidently passed me the ball in defence and I shot only to gain possession of the goalkeeper deflection and finessed it into the bottom right corner. Quite a nice goal. they did however score against me to make it 1-1.

For the likes of Brazil, this is probably accurate. I didn't play past 1st half though as I am working on ball physics now. beta 5.2 does not contain any update to physics, only cpu.

The physics I am working on tuning is getting the back-spin on the ball for long-balls. I do believe it's all rather quick and flat. Because of the change in back-spin, I need to tweak heights of long-balls and then bouncing and passes. Change one thing, change the rest!

I won't stop til the cpu is exactly where I want it, and usually wherever you guys want it is where I aim for.

NK.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

just working on set-plays since the cpu seems to hit the crossbar 99% of free-kicks!!

 

[jwa]

i'm brand new to all this and am still bouncing between winning at amateur and losing at semi-pro. do these game enhancements affect amateur? thanks

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

i'm brand new to all this and am still bouncing between winning at amateur and losing at semi-pro. do these game enhancements affect amateur? thanks

all difficulty levels are enhanced

NK.

 

[NK FOOTBALL ©]

The cpu attack will be much better in the next build, which is close to final now. I'm getting a sense of increased intelligence from them, sometimes it feels like an online opponent rather than a cpu because of the delays allowing the cpu to create some good build-up instead of having you, the user trample all over them and pass about. The issue here is that the user can easily out-smart the cpu. But put in attribute delays so it is more player based and who you have in control, rather than your own personal aggression...and it becomes a game of two halves 50/50. In fact quite a few of my 20 min games today has come out either spot on 50/50 possession, or very close. In some cases I was out-played by the cpu passing, which was great.

Check out this very cool cpu attack also showing off some nice updated ball physics and unpredictable play. It's just a snippet. But this is from a build I am currently playing that is unreleased. A beta6.0?


http://files.filefront.com/WE5+cpu1wmv/;8155714;;/fileinfo.html

Also notice how the goalkeeper comes out to try and get the ball. Before, he would simply leave no pressure on the striker and the chance would more than likely be converted. Because of the new GK tuning, this chance was realistically missed.

:corn:
NK.

 

[ssj4karan]

Dude 5.1 is the latest right?

I'll test it and let you know