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Official UK General Election Thread

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Sir Calumn

Guest
The speculation was finally ended the other day when Tony Blair formally asked the Queen to disolve parliment and called the General Election for May 5th 2005. Campaigning wont seriously begin until Monday, when the whole Royal Wedding and Pope's Funeral business is all over and done with, but when it does you can be sure they'll come straight in with the big guns and we'll hear about pretty much nothing else. What do you think's going to happen, and who will you vote for/would you like to vote for?

I personally think we're going to have an election which is far more close and tougher to call then any of the previous elections for the past couple of decades. The conservatives have finally got their act together and formed a proper opposition, plus the Liberal Democrats are ever on the increase, and even some of the little parties have a few chances which could serve to make things interesting. I still think Tony Blair and the Labour Government are going to win it. Michael Howard has done a fantastic job unifying the Tories under him, but he is not the sort of charismatic, enthusiastic leader the public would like to vote for, and has had too many problems to handle, which although handled well, seem to knock him back whenever he's getting ahead. The whole Howard Flight business, though completely insignificant, took the media coverage off his main drive, as did that MP who switched sides. If only Howard had come in earlier, instead of Iain Duncan Smith, unified the party then made way for a charismatic leader like William Hague or Michael Portillo, I would have thought they could take it, but it all happened just a bit too late.

However, if Blair wins, what will his majority will be like? If he's stuck on a John Major like majority, 20 seats or whatever it was, which could well happen, he's really screwed and will almost certainly step down for Gordon Brown in a couple of years. With the extreme possibility of the idiotic 'war is bad, love and peace, oooo dont hurt the little foxes' middle class pricks using this election as a chance to give Blair a bitchslappin', we could find ourselves with a Labour Goverment with such a tiny majority that nothing happens and things go to hell. Howard really is having a go at traditional Labour voters with his Immigration and Gypsy policies, and some safe Labour constituants could be in for a very unexpected time of worrying. Also, in the Conservatives favour, thanks to Robert Killroy-Sacked, UKIP and the rest of the extreme right are no longer a serious entity, so they shouldnt loose the ground to these parties which was expected after the European MEP elections. All this, plus the severe damage done to Blair's public image, really does open the door s for a close, unpredictable election which may go right to the wire.

There would be absolutely no point in me voting as I live in one of the safest Conservative seats in the country, but I think I would like Labour to win. I am, by nature, a conservative, however I feel it would be impossible for the tories to win with a majority decent enough to do anything, so I would rather an able Labour Government than an unable Tory one, plus I hate Michael Howard with a passion. I very much approved of Blair's handling of the Iraq war, and with any luck he will oust that fat twat Gordon Brown in the enxt reshuffle and bring someone in to get the economy in order, I didnt like Brown's handling of it, but I dont think the Conservatives (is it Redwood who's Shadow Chancellor?) will do any better, so this is an area I would be happy to go with Labour on. Blair had cut immigration by a helleva lot, so I think I would be happy to stick with him on that, indeed, the only really massive positive the conservatives offer is the Euro-Scepticism, however if the likely happens and France votes No on the EU constitution (all 9 estimate polls say a majority will vote no), as a protest to Chiraque if nothing else, that will help feed my Euro hatred anyway, even though we wont then get a chance to trounce the referendum here in Britain.

So, in summary, I predict a tight Labour victory with a majority of around 50 seats, and significant gains to the Conservative and Liberal Democrats. The only other party I can see winning any constituancy is Respect: The Unity Coalition which should retain Galloway's seat and maybe take one of that Oona Williams girl.
 

mhflierman

Starting XI
You guys are ****ed with your two party system. In that system there is no way people will feel really respresented in the parliament. I'd vote Labour though.
 

Tom

That Nice Guy
I have to admit im totally undecided on this, but i figure im going to let all my prejudice over different parties slip by, and instead focus on the objective things that will effect me, even though Blair is a legend :p

Hence just before the election im going to check out what each party is doing in terms of students, and ill decide my vote on that one.

I did a 'quiz' in the telegraph the other day that churned me out as a bang-on Centralist, hence i have no idea who to vote for :p

TROD.
 

itsbeenpickedup

Youth Team
The Conservatives are the only way to vote. Labour absolutely suck. Taxes would be lower under the conservatives and Mr. Howard doesn't like George Bush, so he's got my vote.
 
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Sir Calumn

Guest
Yeah, that's one major thing, Howard has been formally banned from visiting the White House, so if he was to get in it would be crazy for US/UK relations - even though they should be natural allies.

On the student issue, Tom, the Lib Dems are definately the way to go, their manifesto will definately include scrapping Top-Up fees, plus it's likely their reshuffle of the tax boundries will really help students, and they say their policies will make it much easier to get on the propertly ladder (damn I hate using that stupid buzz term).
 

Tom

That Nice Guy
i agree Sir_Didier_Drogba, but for 2 reasons i dont like the lib dems

1. fraid to say that it is a bit of a wasted vote :(
2. Scrapping top up fees might lower the prospect of university for some retailers, hence when i leave LOTS of people might have degrees

TROD.
 
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Sir Calumn

Guest
Yeah that is a worry, but probably wouldnt be a problem if the Lib Dems got in right away and changed it before Top-Up fees were given time to bloom. Still, as you say, the Lib Dems cant win, but we should do everything we can to increase their strength as it would be far more democratic to have three plausible parties. I would favour the Lib Dems if it wasnt for their policy on Europe.
 

adj137

Senior Squad
honestly, this is going to be the sh*test election Britain has ever witnessed. No party has the guts to have a clear stance on anything, which has resulted in everyone sounding the same.

The Conservatives are quite mercurial, when i watch Newsnight sometimes they really make me want to support them, and then just other times its like- you call yourselves the 'opposition' ?

I predict two things in this election, i think less than half the voting population will vote and sadly that the BNP will actually get somewhere in parliment :kader:
 

TOON ARMY

Starting XI
itsbeenpickedup said:
The Conservatives are the only way to vote. Labour absolutely suck. Taxes would be lower under the conservatives and Mr. Howard doesn't like George Bush, so he's got my vote.

Your taxes may be lower but you'll see huge cuts to public services :nape: My family was hit hard during the 80's by the Conservatives rape of the working classes. It'll be a dark day for Britain if they get back in.

Conservatives = Rich mans friend :nape:

My vote shall be with Labour. It disappoints me to see New Labours growing stance to the center but they're the only real option for me.
 
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Sir Calumn

Guest
adj137 said:
honestly, this is going to be the sh*test election Britain has ever witnessed. No party has the guts to have a clear stance on anything, which has resulted in everyone sounding the same.

The Conservatives are quite mercurial, when i watch Newsnight sometimes they really make me want to support them, and then just other times its like- you call yourselves the 'opposition' ?

I predict two things in this election, i think less than half the voting population will vote and sadly that the BNP will actually get somewhere in parliment :kader:
Lots of good stuff here - the first thing you say is so relevant, I mean, would we honestly notice the slightest bit of difference whatever the party incharge was? The policies between the conservatives and the labours differ only in unimportant menials, and as has been shown, with the best intentions little of what is promised is often realised. I agree with the second bit too, the Conservatives are so fluctuatory in their public image, one minute their driving forward and the next their knocked back, plus they have some real hopeless cases in their party. The big blow to democracy will come however, as you say, when the turnout is revealed. It may not be under 50% but it will be very low, and it will show the complete apathy with the failiure of the parties to offer any kind of change and alternative that the general public now totally holds.
 
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Sir Calumn

Guest
TOON ARMY said:
Your taxes may be lower but you'll see huge cuts to public services :nape: My family was hit hard during the 80's by the Conservatives rape of the working classes. It'll be a dark day for Britain if they get back in.

Conservatives = Rich mans friend :nape:

My vote shall be with Labour. It disappoints me to see New Labours growing stance to the center but they're the only real option for me.
If the tories get in it will be nothing like the 80s, that was due completely to the complete incompetance of Margaret Thatcher and the general condition of the world at the time (American dumping pounds on the market, the whole suize canal crisis, the fuel prices) which were out of government control. Traditionally, the conservatives are the party for the rich man, but hey, the rich men deserve a fair deal too and I hate the way some parties try to use having a pop at the rich as a vote winner.
 

Dhruv

Senior Squad
i somehow want the conservatives to win coz i am anti bush and anit blair.... but the immigration issue worries me as i am an international student in uk and getting a work permit might be tougher than before, if jon howard and co. come in power.
 
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Sir Calumn

Guest
Dhruv said:
i somehow want the conservatives to win coz i am anti bush and anit blair.... but the immigration issue worries me as i am an international student in uk and getting a work permit might be tougher than before, if jon howard and co. come in power.
I wouldnt of thought you would have any problems as the Conservative plan is to introduce a points system for whether immigrants can stay or not, and the points you will get for having lived here so long, studied here and, if you do manage it, getting good british qualifications should easily push you over the limit. Infact, I would be more worried about Labour staying in power, as I know several cases of students being forced to leave under the current system, though I dont know the exact circumstances. I'm kinda worried about the tories being so anti-bush, with the hatred Howard and Bush have for each other it really could cause problems for Britains position on the international stage, and may cause Howard to review his Euro-Scepticism in order to form alliances against Bush, and the idea of a British PM giving in to Chiraque makes my blood boil, not that he'll survive another French election, but I could easily see Howard sacrificing something, like the UK EU rebate for example.
 

Roy Race

Youth Team
F*ck the Tories!!!
I can remember the Thatcher years and those bastards will never change. No vote from me.
UKIP ... Xenaphobes. Again no vote from me.
BNP ... racist bastards won't be getting my vote.
Labour ... Best of a bad bunch I guess, but still no vote here.
Lib Dems ... Too wishy washy for me. No vote.
Green Party ... Go hug a tree, Hippy! No vote.
Socialist Party ... Maybe back in my student days, but not now comrades. No vote.
Monster Raving Looney Party ... I'll pass.
Scottish Nationalist Party ...They get my vote. FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!

P.S.
Not exactly a two party system in the UK as you can see.
 

Daz

Everyone's Favourite Diabetic
i'm not really into politics that much, but to me it's quite simple. Tony Blair will win again because he's the only one that looks like a prime minister. The other 2 main candidates dont - ones ginger and scottish (no offense to any scots) and the other looks like a fu'cking paedophile :|
 

Daz

Everyone's Favourite Diabetic
yer but he does not have a scottish accent (which can appear to be a bit of a problem at times) and worst of all... he's not ginger :)
 


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