Daniel David
Youth Team
gabs485 said:
*phew* stop being so radical! You will get even less credit acting like that.
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Pele and Maradona are way overrated
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*phew* stop being so radical! You will get even less credit acting like that.Quality thread I must say.
(8)Don' t cry for me Argentina....I will not live without you...whether it be Naples, or Naaahpoles or Empoles, I will be the best...Ok Pele' s the best..I will be second best.(8)
Zidane is at the best 5th ..... 3rd best in EUR behind Beckenbauer and Cruyff..so he doesn' t come close to the other two.
Axolote said:
(8)Don' t cry for me Argentina....I will not live without you...whether it be Naples, or Naaahpoles or Empoles, I will be the best...Ok Pele' s the best..I will be second best.(8)
Zidane is at the best 5th ..... 3rd best in EUR behind Beckenbauer and Cruyff..so he doesn' t come close to the other two.
Hopeunited
Starting XI
haha, when I saw the title of the thread I was wondering whether it was gabs or syaz_wan that made the thread. Turns out I was right.
Daniel David
Youth Team
Axolote said:
Hmm...I go the other way around and ask what he understands for the word "technique".
And BTW, newbie original, that one was good indeed...
Luis Ah-Hoy
Senior Squad
Axolote said:
Well, call me radical... but i think Zidane has as much skill as Maradona... but maybe the fact of Maradona being a more physical player than Zidane will ever be, counts towards many people's opinions...
Zidanes technique is not better than Maradonnas. Both players technique were near enough flawless, when you talk of players of this magnitude and status, its ridiculous to make a judgement based on technique as Zidane, Maradonna and Pele played a game based on great technique which has given them many accolades, more than most.
I have seen maradonnas great technique, doing kick ups with an orange 500 times before each training session, anyone who tries to fault his technique is very naive.
Think of it like this All three players are near perfect in different ways and styles!
-Maradonna was pure raw natural talent, great technique and balance and Charisma just to name a few things
-Pele was awsome the ultimate team player combining individual skills into team work, made the team tick as well as scoring many great goals himself. His individual skill stood strong in the face of physical of abuse from players in that era who went unpunished
-Zidane Natural talent in a proffessional world- Zidanes kind will more than likely no longer be aloud to blossom in europe. He was blessed with a physical stature that allowed him to hone his skills in central midfield- the ultimate playmaker, not the best goal scorer but he pulls it off at the best moment. Unrivaled technique in his era
Also people forget the impact of Ronaldo and Rivaldo, who imo are Zidanes equal
I have seen maradonnas great technique, doing kick ups with an orange 500 times before each training session, anyone who tries to fault his technique is very naive.
Think of it like this All three players are near perfect in different ways and styles!
-Maradonna was pure raw natural talent, great technique and balance and Charisma just to name a few things
-Pele was awsome the ultimate team player combining individual skills into team work, made the team tick as well as scoring many great goals himself. His individual skill stood strong in the face of physical of abuse from players in that era who went unpunished
-Zidane Natural talent in a proffessional world- Zidanes kind will more than likely no longer be aloud to blossom in europe. He was blessed with a physical stature that allowed him to hone his skills in central midfield- the ultimate playmaker, not the best goal scorer but he pulls it off at the best moment. Unrivaled technique in his era
Also people forget the impact of Ronaldo and Rivaldo, who imo are Zidanes equal
Thelonious
Senior Squad
Luis Ah-Hoy said:Well, call me radical... but i think Zidane has as much skill as Maradona... but maybe the fact of Maradona being a more physical player than Zidane will ever be, counts towards many people's opinions...
I wouldn't say Maradona is more physical than Zidane , Zidane is much bigger man and more powerful but is definately not more skilful than maradona.
Helmut Kohl
Club Supporter
ive only seen pele in one game (the wc final 1970)
he was pretty much invisible
he was pretty much invisible
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Zidane ******* sucks. He has potential, but he never turns it on and never does it for 90 minutes EVERY GAME. He is almost ineffective without a holding midfielder behind him because he shirks any semblance of defense. He's just not that good. Ronaldinho is twice the player Zidane is, but then again Ronaldinho could go down as the best ever when we're done, so maybe that doesn't hurt Zidane all that much.
Regarding the 1970 Brazil team in general Herr Kohl, that team probably would have won it all with 7 players. They were AMAZING. Pele didn't have to do everything for his team, in fact he really didn't have to do anything, he could defer to his teammates if they didn't need him (or if a team put 3 guys on him). And I have no idea what you mean about the 1970 Final; you mean the game in which Pele had 1 goal and 2 assists?
Regarding the 1970 Brazil team in general Herr Kohl, that team probably would have won it all with 7 players. They were AMAZING. Pele didn't have to do everything for his team, in fact he really didn't have to do anything, he could defer to his teammates if they didn't need him (or if a team put 3 guys on him). And I have no idea what you mean about the 1970 Final; you mean the game in which Pele had 1 goal and 2 assists?
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
I always felt Davids was the real key to Juventus' success and I have the proof!
On 23/5/01
And I was the person telling everyone how important Makelele was to Real Madrid before they sold him (15/05/03)
And even earlier on 18/9/02!!
The point here? Zidane has played with Viera, Makelele, and Davids his entire career until he started slipping. It's really easy to play when you only have to worry about half the game.
On 23/5/01
ShiftyPowers said:
And I was the person telling everyone how important Makelele was to Real Madrid before they sold him (15/05/03)
ShiftyPowers said:
And even earlier on 18/9/02!!
ShiftyPowers said:
The point here? Zidane has played with Viera, Makelele, and Davids his entire career until he started slipping. It's really easy to play when you only have to worry about half the game.
Helmut Kohl
Club Supporter
ShiftyPowers said:
no need to get defensive mr ShiftyPowers
i just thought he would dominate more, he is the probably biggest legend after all
he seemed more like a goal thief like nistelrooy
the one thing that really stood out for me though was that he won lots of fouls so i guess he was closely marked (especially since it was against italy)
but again it was just one game so you cant really judge a player from that
btw how many games have you seen pele play (not just goal compilations like me)? and did you see the 1970 final?
You have proof that you think Davids was the real key to Juventus' success...? Well, that doesn't really prove anything though...ShiftyPowers said:
And when you're the best offensive player in the world, the team probably wants you to do as little efforts as possible defensively, and instead use all of it when attacking. But I see your point. Davids, Makelele and Vieira have all been extremely important to Juve's, France's and Real Madrid's success, but then again, so has Zinedine Zidane, and if anyone can prove otherwise, please do.
I'm just reacting when you say Zidane sucks, Ronaldinho is twice the player he is, etc.
ShiftyPowers said:
You have not seen Zidane lately have you (or a couple of years ago as well because he is 33 now) Watch some compilations of Zidane and you will see what amazing things he can do.
BTW this thread is a bit funny because on his DVD Zidane talks about Maradona and how he saw a tape of Maradons training and he was just blown away. So yes Maradona is better than Zidane.
WilliamFAlmeida
Starting XI
Maradona was only left footed am I right??
Kind of puts things in perspective....compared to Zidane or Ronaldo for that matter...
Kind of puts things in perspective....compared to Zidane or Ronaldo for that matter...
Have you ever seen Maradona doing keep-ups with a half-full water bottle? ever tried to do that? the water goes from side to side, making it very difficult to predict how it'll come back at you...
Pele was more of a team player, though as skillful as Maradona, imho... while Maradona would lead his team single handedly, Pele always had decent players alongside him (which doesn't take his merit, as he is the best known among the great players who played with him)... his vision and creativity were incredible, and he could see the plays way before he had the ball at his feet... his goals against Wales and Sweden, at just 17, are proof of that... but his lesser known play against Juventus (not the italian club) is just magical... three times he's put the ball over the heads of the defenders, just to finish it with another ball over the keeper's head an finishing with a header towards an empty net... all that inside the box...
As for Zidane... he's good, and he's scored two headers in a world cup final at home... he deserves credit for his play, but he's not close to being the legend Pele and Maradona are... but time will tell... Pele played 40 years ago, Maradona 20 years ago... if Zidane can be remembered after 20 years, he's become a legend..
Pele was more of a team player, though as skillful as Maradona, imho... while Maradona would lead his team single handedly, Pele always had decent players alongside him (which doesn't take his merit, as he is the best known among the great players who played with him)... his vision and creativity were incredible, and he could see the plays way before he had the ball at his feet... his goals against Wales and Sweden, at just 17, are proof of that... but his lesser known play against Juventus (not the italian club) is just magical... three times he's put the ball over the heads of the defenders, just to finish it with another ball over the keeper's head an finishing with a header towards an empty net... all that inside the box...
As for Zidane... he's good, and he's scored two headers in a world cup final at home... he deserves credit for his play, but he's not close to being the legend Pele and Maradona are... but time will tell... Pele played 40 years ago, Maradona 20 years ago... if Zidane can be remembered after 20 years, he's become a legend..
ShiftyPowers
Make America Great Again
Socrates said:
Ridiculous. EVERYONE looks good in highlights. I could make a Peter Crouch compilation and he'd look like a legend.
You should also keep in mind that Zidane has had the benefit of getting to SEE Maradona play. Who did Maradona get to look up to? Pele? Okay, then who did HE get to look up to?
It's a tough arguement to put Zidane up there with Maradona and Pele, because if not for Maradona and Pele, where would Zidane even be?
It's a tough arguement to put Zidane up there with Maradona and Pele, because if not for Maradona and Pele, where would Zidane even be?