Going back to the topic starter.
I played PES4 yesterday at the South African gaming fair 'Rage'.
All the 2004-05 promoted teams have been added for basically all the European leagues like Serie-A, including the full 20 teams with the likes of Palermo, Fiorentina and Atalanta.
The rosters are not yet fully updated but include more players with 18 and 19 year old youth team players like Palladino, Chiumento in Juventus. (Whom presently are on loan to other teams.)
The game play is smooth and as real as get it, although I thought of this with PES3, but of course Konami have yet again increased the level of realism. The passing and shooting just feels more accurate and closer to the real thing.
I also incountered no slow downs.
I played a total of 4 games using Juventus against my friend and his Arsenal.
The scores were like this.
3-1 to Juventus.
Henry, long range rocket from way outside the Penulty box.
Trezeguet, header from the penulty spot area.
Camoranesi, long dash and dribble from down the side and tapping it pass between Lehnman's legs.
Del Piero, freekick from the 20 to 22 m spot.
2-0 to Juventus.
Own goal by Cole from corner kick.
Own goal by Lauren from deflected lob of Blasi.
1-2 to Arsenal (golden goal)
Del Piero, penulty.
Henry, dribble from half way line then one-two with Reyes and lob over Buffon.
Lundberg, header in 1st extra half.
2-0 to Juventus.
Nedved, dribble within penulty box and then blasted into top right corner.
Trezeguet, counter attack break away from half way line, passes to Del Piero, passes then to Nedved, and then a gentle low cross which Trezeguet lighty taps pass Lehnman just from over the penulty spot area.
Overall my first impressions were fantastic. I couldn't believe the nail biting games I sweated out with my friend.
Konami thank you very much!
Only problem is that now I can longer touch my PES3 disk and have to wait in misery until I'm able to get my copy of this heaven of all football games!
I have not played any of the WE games, so I cannot judge there. But against Fifa and Tif, PES4 I reckon is at least 5 years ahead of them!