Real Madrid Thread [2007-2008]

[Vedran-10]

Who cares if we spent that much? We're a big club and big clubs always have to pay extra for who they want.

Your club is overpaying massively, and that's something you should care about.

And the best thing is, you're doing this while being in a huge debt (bigger than ours was, btw).

 

[MaSsiVe]

wtf Anthony dude, no need to behave like an asshole

Pepe will prove all the haters wrong.

 

[justhammy]

Your club is overpaying massively, and that's something you should care about.

And the best thing is, you're doing this while being in a huge debt (bigger than ours was, btw).

We have debt yes. But we have the money to pay it. So what you say doesnt make sense.

 

[Vedran-10]

It is anthony; honestly.....Pepe was 30 millions because of potential, he is young he is on the come up, not one of those guys you named has the potential Pepe has....plus, he didnt ask to be sold for 30 milllion....do I think he is worth 30? I dont know, He might, might not be that is not my job as a fan, one thing I can tell you is that the man has the potential (there is that word again) to become the top defender in the world. I like his character, I like his poise, I believe he will be woth his weight in gold soon enough....

Like Alves, do you think he is worth the 40 million Euro's Chelsea wanted to pay?? I dont think so, but it is his potential that they are paying for, like Drenthe, like Sneijner, like Nani, and others

I disagree.

Regardless of how much potential Pepe has, you can't justify the 30m€ fee. Not to mention the fact that he didn't play in la Liga. Potential should only raise the price so much. Personally, I would never pay 20m€ for him, let alone 30m€.

As for Alves, he can't be used as an example because it's Chelsea who's after him. And notice that the players you mention are either signings of Real Madrid or an EPL club. The EPL is the richest league in the world and this season it will probably surpass the NBA financially. The money is insane there, they have the biggest budgets and the highest paid players, all because of the popularity and the success of the league, which is growing constantly. It's become ridiculous there, and there are no comparisons. Darren Bent cost more than Thierry Henry. Does that sound like something you want to compare Madrid's transfers to?

 

[MaestroZidane]

obviously someone cares, otherwise we would have kept Reyes..

 

[Vedran-10]

We have debt yes. But we have the money to pay it. So what you say doesnt make sense.

So it's ok to be in debt?

There's no question you have enough money to pay for it, but that only means that you won't go bankrupt. It can cripple you in other ways, though, like force you to cut wages.

I'm not implying that Madrid are doomed, because I know you have too much support to shut down. But, you aren't in great shape, either. You will have to climb out of the debt which will take its toll, even on a club like Madrid. It did on us.

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

Your club is overpaying massively, and that's something you should care about.

And the best thing is, you're doing this while being in a huge debt (bigger than ours was, btw).

Vedran, you should worry about your own club and how you are gonna catch uo to our Liga and Champions Leagues trophies! You have alot of work and catching up to do.:amika:You little kunt

 

[Socrates]

So it's ok to be in debt?

There's no question you have enough money to pay for it, but that only means that you won't go bankrupt. It can cripple you in other ways, though, like force you to cut wages.

I'm not implying that Madrid are doomed, because I know you have too much support to shut down. But, you aren't in great shape, either. You will have to climb out of the debt which will take its toll, even on a club like Madrid. It did on us.

Actually we are in great position, we make a huge profit every year and if we liqudate everything than it will be more than enough to cover the debit. Debit's that can be handled like this one is no big deal or anything to lose sleep over.

BTW we payed 27 million euros for Ramos...and no one is complaining about it now, infact it was worth every penny. What's to say that Pepe won't do the same?

 

[Num Lock]

R Madrid paid through the nose for pepe because mijatovic is a horrible negotiator, nothing else. Yes you overpaid, nad hopefully the guy will be worth it, somehow i don't think Real Madrid is the right team to wait until the guy develops his full potential, it has never been.

 

[Jaouadinho]

So it's ok to be in debt?

There's no question you have enough money to pay for it, but that only means that you won't go bankrupt. It can cripple you in other ways, though, like force you to cut wages.

I'm not implying that Madrid are doomed, because I know you have too much support to shut down. But, you aren't in great shape, either. You will have to climb out of the debt which will take its toll, even on a club like Madrid. It did on us.

yes it is ok to be in debt as long as u have the money to pay for it, every major business has a debt of somesort as long as u are making the money to pay for it whenever u want its all good.

we have something like 200 mill euros in debt but we make about 270 a year in revenue not including the 1.25 billion euro contract we signed last summer for our tv rights.

 

[big al]

well seeing how we got cannavaro who does command the back line i dont see a problem, cannavaro did well yesterday overall, pepe cannavaro defense is perfect they just need time to adapt, pepe is the muscle who gets in the challenges while cannavaro is the brains who tells eeryone who to mark when the use the offside trap etc etc.

from what i have seen so far personally i think he is gonna be a monster to us he really does love the shirt, he hates losing, and he would die for us on the pitch, everyone is still adapting people are getting too ahead of themselves, the season hasnt even started yet.

well , if it was muscle you guys were looking for you guys got it, but like you said its muscle and no brains, i can agree if cannavaro can stay of his top game, pepe would only be the guy that has his back if you know what i mean, in other words his sidekick lol, and i guess you guys would have a good balanced pair, but my point was that alot of merengues ( not here) have started to critize pepe, i think mainly because they tought he would be the big solution for the defense, but like i said before he wasnt intended to be that guy in the first place.

Quite decent post here Al. I'm not too familiar w/ Pepe, but imo, I think he is very good and will get better. His quality is evident. Worth the 30 mil? I don't think so. All in all we need time. Think about it...new coach, many new players, tactics, staff, etc. We will take our beatings but w/ the players we have we could only get better w/ time. This year is kind of a rebuilding phase.

i have follow porto since the jardel days, and i can assure you i know a bit or 2 about pepe, and its pretty ovbious he is your typical brazilian CB, he is really good with some space for improvement still , now about the price tag well the reality is that it isnt relevant in the field, it doesnt make the player any better or worse in the field , so it doesnt matter really, its only relevant for the club's administration but thats another story, but what does surprise me is that having those 30 million why not spend it on a defender that is in the same mould, but far cheaper, more experience but still practicly young, players like juan, alex, luisao, even andrade... i mean its not how much money you spend its how spend it, i think its really relevant for a team in a stage of rebuilding like you mention.

I find it ridiculos to say all this about Pepe after 1 freaking game ( where our CB's looked worse because our FB's keep getting torched and needs the CB's to go out wide to cover for them ). I think Pepe is the type of CB we need but this was one game in which things did not go our way and already people are jumping at calling him a failure. From the preseason games and all I have seen of him he looks like he will be great for us, we just have to wait and see.

ok, but lets see first you say its ridiculous to make and opinion on a player after a few games , but still you say pepe is the type of player madrid needs giving those few games, like i said i base my opinion of what he has done in portugal too , the truth is pepe was an emergency buy or at least he wasnt your fisrt choice, he was a consequence after the chivu and milito deals got nowhere, its no coincidence his buy got everybody of guard, so i dont think you can say he is what madrid needs based on what he was done in the preseason neiter.
still those who say he is failure dont know crap about nothing, but having conceded more than 15 goals in how many games? it means something is wrong, either you are right and the flanks are getting owned or cannavaro and pepe arent complementing themselves right, i just think you guys are beeing polite saying he has looked solid thast all.

 

[Vedran-10]

Socrates, I know you don't feel the debt now, given your huge incomes, but don't forget that the end of last season marked the departure of your last, and biggest, shirt seller. You came to earn this much by bringing in players of the highest profile who practically returned half of the amount invested in them only by selling shirts. They are also the ones responsible for your enormous TV deal. Those players are gone now and I don't know how many shirts Drenthe and Pepe will sell. I hope you don't think that your club earns all this money just because of the name "Real Madrid".
Also, another thing that tends to earn you a lot of money is success. And with the team you have, it seems it will take you another miracle to get a title this season.
I know your club won't sink tomorrow, but you're definitely not in great shape. Business-wise, I think you've taken a step down by losing high-profile names like Ronaldo, RC and especially Beckham.
In addition to all this, you overpay for every player and after having spent a ton of money this summer, your squad doesn't look like they'll be up there fighting for honours when the season draws to a close. I don't know how the season will end, but judging by the team you have and the teams other clubs have, it's reasonable to assume that you won't be among the successful ones.

Like I said, it isn't doomesday for Madrid, but I don't know why you're not at least a bit worried. We were in a bad place four seasons ago and we had to cut wages. We're a big club, we earn a lot of money but we still felt our debt. I think you'll feel yours, too. Unless you bring in some world class stars and start winning titles, your incomes will diminish because you can't be the highest earning club forever. Eventually the mistakes you made with the team will reflect on your business. When we were building our team in 2003 and 2004, we brought players like Ronaldinho (world champion), Eto'o (proven in la Liga with Mallorca) and Deco (European champion). They're the ones who brought us success and money. You bought players like Drenthe (one tournament, 14m&#8364 and Pepe (you paid the same amount for him as we did for Ronaldinho in 2003). So, not only are you taking a step down in player standards (from Zidane, Figo and Ronaldo to Drenthe, Pepe and Sneijder), you're overpaying for it.

Your club (run by Calderon and Mijatović hehe) seems to be taking the wrong path, and it's pretty arrogant to just discard a huge debt like that (I think it's around 270m&#8364.

My point is that, while your debt is easy to deal with now, it may not be in the future. You need to make smart signings, and for a reasonable cost too, if you want to stay in a healthy position, both financially and sports-wise. It doesn't seem like it now, and I know that I'd be worried if Barca were in this situation.

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

Socrates, I know you don't feel the debt now, given your huge incomes, but don't forget that the end of last season marked the departure of your last, and biggest, shirt seller. You came to earn this much by bringing in players of the highest profile who practically returned half of the amount invested in them only by selling shirts. They are also the ones responsible for your enormous TV deal. Those players are gone now and I don't know how many shirts Drenthe and Pepe will sell. I hope you don't think that your club earns all this money just because of the name "Real Madrid".
Also, another thing that tends to earn you a lot of money is success. And with the team you have, it seems it will take you another miracle to get a title this season.
I know your club won't sink tomorrow, but you're definitely not in great shape. Business-wise, I think you've taken a step down by losing high-profile names like Ronaldo, RC and especially Beckham.
In addition to all this, you overpay for every player and after having spent a ton of money this summer, your squad doesn't look like they'll be up there fighting for honours when the season draws to a close. I don't know how the season will end, but judging by the team you have and the teams other clubs have, it's reasonable to assume that you won't be among the successful ones.

Like I said, it isn't doomesday for Madrid, but I don't know why you're not at least a bit worried. We were in a bad place four seasons ago and we had to cut wages. We're a big club, we earn a lot of money but we still felt our debt. I think you'll feel yours, too. Unless you bring in some world class stars and start winning titles, your incomes will diminish because you can't be the highest earning club forever. Eventually the mistakes you made with the team will reflect on your business. When we were building our team in 2003 and 2004, we brought players like Ronaldinho (world champion), Eto'o (proven in la Liga with Mallorca) and Deco (European champion). They're the ones who brought us success and money. You bought players like Drenthe (one tournament, 14m&#8364 and Pepe (you paid the same amount for him as we did for Ronaldinho in 2003). So, not only are you taking a step down in player standards (from Zidane, Figo and Ronaldo to Drenthe, Pepe and Sneijder), you're overpaying for it.

Your club (run by Calderon and Mijatovi? hehe) seems to be taking the wrong path, and it's pretty arrogant to just discard a huge debt like that (I think it's around 270m&#8364.

My point is that, while your debt is easy to deal with now, it may not be in the future. You need to make smart signings, and for a reasonable cost too, if you want to stay in a healthy position, both financially and sports-wise. It doesn't seem like it now, and I know that I'd be worried if Barca were in this situation.

I agree with some points, disagree with many. Perhaps I should go over to the Farca board and tell you guys why you didn't win La Liga or CL or Cope Del Rey last season or what mistakes throughout your history make you come in a distant second all time to us but I'll spare you

I smell ownage!

 

[Arnau]

Some people wanna fill the world with silly love songs Oo !

 

[KingPaulV]

Socrates, I know you don't feel the debt now, given your huge incomes, but don't forget that the end of last season marked the departure of your last, and biggest, shirt seller. You came to earn this much by bringing in players of the highest profile who practically returned half of the amount invested in them only by selling shirts. They are also the ones responsible for your enormous TV deal. Those players are gone now and I don't know how many shirts Drenthe and Pepe will sell. I hope you don't think that your club earns all this money just because of the name "Real Madrid".
Also, another thing that tends to earn you a lot of money is success. And with the team you have, it seems it will take you another miracle to get a title this season.
I know your club won't sink tomorrow, but you're definitely not in great shape. Business-wise, I think you've taken a step down by losing high-profile names like Ronaldo, RC and especially Beckham.
In addition to all this, you overpay for every player and after having spent a ton of money this summer, your squad doesn't look like they'll be up there fighting for honours when the season draws to a close. I don't know how the season will end, but judging by the team you have and the teams other clubs have, it's reasonable to assume that you won't be among the successful ones.

Like I said, it isn't doomesday for Madrid, but I don't know why you're not at least a bit worried. We were in a bad place four seasons ago and we had to cut wages. We're a big club, we earn a lot of money but we still felt our debt. I think you'll feel yours, too. Unless you bring in some world class stars and start winning titles, your incomes will diminish because you can't be the highest earning club forever. Eventually the mistakes you made with the team will reflect on your business. When we were building our team in 2003 and 2004, we brought players like Ronaldinho (world champion), Eto'o (proven in la Liga with Mallorca) and Deco (European champion). They're the ones who brought us success and money. You bought players like Drenthe (one tournament, 14m€) and Pepe (you paid the same amount for him as we did for Ronaldinho in 2003). So, not only are you taking a step down in player standards (from Zidane, Figo and Ronaldo to Drenthe, Pepe and Sneijder), you're overpaying for it.

Your club (run by Calderon and Mijatović hehe) seems to be taking the wrong path, and it's pretty arrogant to just discard a huge debt like that (I think it's around 270m€).

My point is that, while your debt is easy to deal with now, it may not be in the future. You need to make smart signings, and for a reasonable cost too, if you want to stay in a healthy position, both financially and sports-wise. It doesn't seem like it now, and I know that I'd be worried if Barca were in this situation.

Come on dude, to say that with the players we have we cannot win la liga is bad assesment of football qualities.....Seriously. I'll go player by player of our possible starting lineup; just because we dont have a guy besides a couple whose names are household names around the world, doesnt mean they have no quality, they wouldnt be in Madrid if they had no quality and you know that....No more galacticos, that was the motto of Calderon and honestly it is a smart concept...Barca are the galacticos now and myabe that is why you speak this way, but three or four years back no such talk

-Iker Casillas, easily one of the top five in the world if not higher; a proven performer, who bailed us out, unchallenged in the Spanish NT
-Ramos, By all accounts a defensive prodigy and the man of the future for the Spain's defensive hope...He is probably top 20 RB/CB in the world
-Cannavaro World Cup MVP; the unchallenged Captain of the world Champions, had an off year but he is showing this year a glimpse of the form that makes him one of the top 10 IMO CB in the world
-Pepe; Young, talented; brazilian Probably not worth 30 Mill, but definetly on his way to becoming the next great CB in the world, I stand by that.
Marcelo/Torres: Our weakest spot I concede, Marcelo is up and coming and so is Torres, if they reach their potential they could be great, both starters for their respective NT
-Diarrah: Arguably one of the best holding mids in the world top 10 maybe, Had he become a french national he would have replaced Makelele as the undisputed DM
-Robihno: He is already a world star and he hasnt even fully realized his potential, we all know it, he knows it. He is one of the top promises of Brazilian football
-Drenthe: I dont know if you saw the same game I did, but against Sevilla this kid ran all over the place and had the ability to at times take over the whole game...HE will be a superstar (Edgar Davids style) in three years mark my words
-Sneijder: The next great from Netherlands IMO, he is sloted for it, so young and so good, had an off game against Sevilla and was still better than most
-Raul: Was a great one, is ready for retirement I will concede he is extra
-RVB: EL pichichi....that's all I have to say

As you can see Madrid has the team to win La Liga and the CL and COpa del Rey......We have been sucking not because of our players, we have been sucking because of our tactics and lack thereof, and bad tactical position which can be attributed more to the scheme the coaches are using than the players themselves....

 

[OrgulloVikingo]

Wow Paul, you wrote all of that for Ved? He will come up with more excuses. I guess he thinks Barca have La Liga in the bag already.

Anyway, I think this will be another fight to the finish this year. Quite a few teams have beefed up considerably. IMO, Sevilla look the best out of all though. They have asolid squad that has been gelling for years now. Don't know if Alves will stay and if he goes who's gonna replace him though...that may make adifference to their season for sure. I think we will be up there for sure but we need to get better fast. We can;t depend on having a great second half of the season, by then it'll be too late with La Ligas quality.

My view is that Schusteer is trying too hard to satisfy the tastes of the fans, members, directors, etc. He i splaying just a little too attack minded and not focusing on defense enough. Don't get me wrong, I don't want a boring Caps side either. Last year Caps had u splay 65% Defense and 35% attack (for lack of better description). This year it seems like 70 -30 in favor of attack. A nice 60-40 seems appropriate until our players hit their stride, gel and become more confidant and experienced. Then they can have fun. For the first match against Atletico Schusteeered needs to be just a bit more patient and cautious.

 

[KingPaulV]

^^
Agree!!

 

[Arnau]

why all madridistas have red karma ? Oo

 

[KingPaulV]

Cause the Barca guys rate us low for some bs.....hehe.....

.honestly somebody gave me bad karma simply because they didnt feel like reading my post...it wasnt even rude or really concerning to most people..another red carded me for spelling, when there where no spelling mistakes

 

[Socrates]

Socrates, I know you don't feel the debt now, given your huge incomes, but don't forget that the end of last season marked the departure of your last, and biggest, shirt seller. You came to earn this much by bringing in players of the highest profile who practically returned half of the amount invested in them only by selling shirts. They are also the ones responsible for your enormous TV deal. Those players are gone now and I don't know how many shirts Drenthe and Pepe will sell. I hope you don't think that your club earns all this money just because of the name "Real Madrid".
Also, another thing that tends to earn you a lot of money is success. And with the team you have, it seems it will take you another miracle to get a title this season.
I know your club won't sink tomorrow, but you're definitely not in great shape. Business-wise, I think you've taken a step down by losing high-profile names like Ronaldo, RC and especially Beckham.
In addition to all this, you overpay for every player and after having spent a ton of money this summer, your squad doesn't look like they'll be up there fighting for honours when the season draws to a close. I don't know how the season will end, but judging by the team you have and the teams other clubs have, it's reasonable to assume that you won't be among the successful ones.

Like I said, it isn't doomesday for Madrid, but I don't know why you're not at least a bit worried. We were in a bad place four seasons ago and we had to cut wages. We're a big club, we earn a lot of money but we still felt our debt. I think you'll feel yours, too. Unless you bring in some world class stars and start winning titles, your incomes will diminish because you can't be the highest earning club forever. Eventually the mistakes you made with the team will reflect on your business. When we were building our team in 2003 and 2004, we brought players like Ronaldinho (world champion), Eto'o (proven in la Liga with Mallorca) and Deco (European champion). They're the ones who brought us success and money. You bought players like Drenthe (one tournament, 14m€) and Pepe (you paid the same amount for him as we did for Ronaldinho in 2003). So, not only are you taking a step down in player standards (from Zidane, Figo and Ronaldo to Drenthe, Pepe and Sneijder), you're overpaying for it.

Your club (run by Calderon and Mijatović hehe) seems to be taking the wrong path, and it's pretty arrogant to just discard a huge debt like that (I think it's around 270m€).

My point is that, while your debt is easy to deal with now, it may not be in the future. You need to make smart signings, and for a reasonable cost too, if you want to stay in a healthy position, both financially and sports-wise. It doesn't seem like it now, and I know that I'd be worried if Barca were in this situation.

That's the thing though, Barca and Madrid are in different situations. No I am not worried about the debt. With our income and liquid assests it is easily servicable and under control. It's not like we will change that much because of some players that left, we still have good sponser deal, tv deal, and our liquid assets will still be here. I am sure the board thinks of all that ( the singings and wages ) when they make their budget for the season. Also a lot of people are already saying our team is done when the season has not even started. I really think we will improve in the next couple of games here but lets wait and see how things turn out.

bigal - I won't talk much more about Pepe as we it will all depend on time on who is right or wrong but I do feel good about the guy. Considering that pretty much every Porto fan said great things about him and yes he has been our best defender in preseason ( not all the goals are his fault ). Also Juan is older and worse than Pepe as is Alex who is slow as ****. Andrade is older and won't have many more years left in him. Gabi Milito I really doubt we wanted to sign, I really think it was a lets throw a big clubs name in the mix to get his price to go up which did work for Zaragoza. I also don't think Pepe was a panic buy, it seems like we have a list of player for each position that we like to consider and if we can't get the first guy than we move on to the next one. Anyway enough talking about Pepe, we will have lots of time the rest of this season to talk about him.