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Elder

Starting XI
Originally posted by Moron
Yeah, stalin hated the Jews so much, thats why he married one!

He also gave a major order that said all jews should be helped to Moscow away from hitler. He also used trains to transport these jews, trains that could have been carrying ammo.

Yeah he hated them a lot (H)(Y)

OH and your failing to know a key order of Koba shows that while my arguements wouldn't stand up to a learned person, it certainly can do better than you.
(H)

So tell me... why do so many Jews leave Russia? I guess it's because they have always been treated so well....
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Originally posted by Elder
You are right. The russians in general have always hated the Jews. Up until this day actually. Ever heard of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" book that was written about Jewish world domination? That was a Russian work if I am not mistaken... a book that was completely fabricated at all levels and debunked by the British.

That book is now used in the Arab world as a way to incite hatred for the Jews.. it was also used by the Nazis.

If there's one thing about the Arab World that really bugs me and makes me look at it in a poor light is not terrorism (because I do believe that it can be explained somewhat), but the rediculous Anti-Semitism that is taught to kids from birth. And people really truely believe everything bad they hear about jewish conspiracies. I mean, how ignorant can you be? YOU BELIEVE IN THE SAME PROHPETS AND THE SAME GOD!!! Are you really that bitter about a patch of dirt? It's been 50 years now, get over yourself.

And can I remind everyone that this is Reagan's appreciation thread, let's keep it on topic and uplifting. If you didn't like the man, just don't say anything at all, or say it somewhere else. You don't call people out at their funeral, don't do it in this thread.
 

Glorious

Starting XI
Originally posted by Elder
...
Regarding health care... I don't believe health care is a "right" of the people to have. I think that some health care should be provided for people. Where I have a problem is people who dont' take care of themselves (smokers, drinkers, people who eat themselves to death) then expect the government to pay for them to get better. If there is going to be health care for all, then maybe there should be criteria you have to meet to receive it.

I don't know.

Health Care non essential? Typicial American thinking of Defense first health and education later. that isn't the right way to do it.

Defense is pivotal but health and education is first. :)
 

pennington10

Senior Squad
Originally posted by Glorious_Fan
Health Care non essential? Typicial American thinking of Defense first health and education later. that isn't the right way to do it.

Defense is pivotal but health and education is first. :)

Spending on Education doesn't work. Atleast not in this country. Parents are to blame for the poor school results not how much money the schools get. The schools just piss away money on useless things. Once the parents step up and take action education will always be a problem.

Basic health care should be had for all of those who work. The problem is you have cities like San Fransico that allow state workers to get sex changes that out paid for by taxes. That is plain rubbish.
 

Elder

Starting XI
Originally posted by Glorious_Fan
Health Care non essential? Typicial American thinking of Defense first health and education later. that isn't the right way to do it.

Defense is pivotal but health and education is first. :)

Education isn't provided for under the Constitution. Defense is. I think we may spend too much money of defense though...
 

zul-aid

Starting XI
To Moron:

"In old Muscovy, where channels for the expression of discontent were scarcely better than they were in Soviet Russia, the established form of protest was to leave an anonymous letter (podmyetnoye pis'mo) lying in a public place to be picked up and circulated. Few people in Soviet Russia cared to live that dangerously, but some letters found their way to foreign embassies in the hope that someone, somewhere, might gain an inkling of what was going on. The number of letters increased appreciably in the second half of 1932. The following is typical, writtern by a factory worker from Saratov:

Listen, comrades, and hear how they live in the land of intensive collectivization. You are told of the achievements of the USSR but you must see the realities in order to value at their true worth the achievements of Comrade Stalin. You cannot buy bread at the market; it is forbidden and other foodstuffs are so dear that a worker's wage for a month is only enough for five days. The other twenty-five days the worker goes hungry or sells his chattels, for the communal eating houses feed you only filth. People are dying of starvation at the rate of 150-200 a day. There is no room left in the cemeteries. We Russians have never been in such a position, not even in the famine year of 1921."

Other letters complain of purges and arrests, giving a vivid picture of concentration camp life. While most complain of the socialist experiment, they also contain a pronounced anti-Semitic strain, blaming Jewish-socialist machinations for their misfortunes. This casts an interesting light upon Stalin's subsequent purge of the predominantly Jewish Old Bolsheviks. Ordinary people would have viewed his action as punishing Jewish socialists for the misery they had inflicted upon the masses; those who survivded collectivization did not suffer nearly as much as party members in the actual purges. Once again Stalin made scapegoats of his Jewish victims.

In his little talk with Churchill, Stalin mentioned that 10 million peasants had had to be dealth with, which is mot to say that they were all liquidated. Analysis of population figures show that it ceased to grow in 1928 and resumed only in 1936 and suggests that his victims probably numbered a little more than 5 million, a body count which makes some of Hitler's achievements seem modest.

Stalins Jewish evacuation plan

By spring of 1953 restrictions on Jews included quotas for places of higher learning and for residence in big cities. Loss of jobs and organized pogroms were prevalent, notably in the Ukraine, where old habits died even harder than elsewhere.

"Stalin" by Alex De Jonge

umm moron: how many books have you read on Stalin or are you just basing your information on that forum?

I typed Stalin's hatred of Jews in ask.com and i got alot of info from "Freerepublic.com" a website even i disgust but for this discussion quite useful:

In the new book “Stalin’s Secret Pogrom; The Postwar Inquisition of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee,” historian and Northeast Regional Director of Amnesty International Joshua Rubenstein, along with Russian historian Vladimir P. Naumov, recounts the 1952 trial of fifteen Soviet Jews associated with Stalin’s “Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee.”
Of the fifteen, fourteen were executed including writers Solomon Michoels and Yitzhak Feffer.
The author views this event through the prism of Stalin’s anti-Semitism and paranoia and the anti-Semitism of an emerging Russian nationalism.
While this analysis may be technically true, it entirely misses the central point regarding the cause of what the author dramatically calls a Pogrom.

The Jewish Anti-Fascist committee, and like-minded committees were set up by the Soviets as propaganda organs after the June, 1941 invasion of the Soviet Union by Nazi Germany.
In the years leading up to the Nazi invasion the Soviets and Nazis were allies and, as a result of the Hitler/Stalin Pact of August 1939, had divided up Eastern Europe.
As devoted Communists, these 15 Soviet Jews were probably pro Nazi at that time.
The Communist world as a matter of party loyalty was pro-Nazi during this period, including American Communists who did their part by agitating against US involvement in the War.
A classic example of the pro-Nazi attitude of the American Communist left during the Hitler-Stalin Pact period was folksinger Pete Seeger’s anti war record “Songs for John Doe” released in 1941 where he calls President Roosevelt a warmongering fascist who worked for J.P.Morgan.

The Jewish Anti-Fascist committee agitated for support of the Soviet Union in its war against its erstwhile ally, Nazi Germany.
As part of this effort, committee members Michoels and Feffer spent six months in 1943 in the US where they spearheaded a large pro Soviet rally near New York City.
They specifically cultivated support from Jews who were already sufficiently mobilized on the side of the US in the war against the Nazi’s.
The vast majority of American Jews rejected Communist overtures and remained loyal Americans.
A small but vociferous minority of Jews, including certain high profile spies such as Julius Rosenberg and Harry Dexter White, would embrace communism and cast Jews in a pro Communist light amongst post war anti-Semites.
Contrary to anti-Semitic myth however, the majority of the American communist structure was made up of non-Jews.

After the War, the Jewish Anti Fascist committee got involved in documenting the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews on occupied Russian territory.
This ran contrary to official communist policy, which was to deny the Holocaust, an official Soviet policy that remained through the dictatorship of Michael Gorbachev in the late 1980’s.
In addition, the Soviet Jews of the committee were vocal supporters of the State of Israel, established in 1948, something that Stalin supported briefly as well.
Both of these positions would eventually make the Jews of the committee vulnerable to charges that they had become politically incorrect.

Political or social incorrectness is a capital offence by left-wing communist standards.
It is almost the equivalent of being a Jew in national socialist Nazi Germany.
One becomes an “enemy of the people” and as such, by socialist definitions, he becomes a “reactionary” to the revolution and is subject to banishment or execution.
This socialist definition of a capital crime is the exact opposite of the American definition, which is in accord with the Biblical definition.
In America, a capital crime, punishable by execution, is the crime of murder.
Anyone convicted of murder, regardless of political or racial background, is subject to the possibility of execution.

The members of the Jewish Anti Fascist committee were executed not for being Jewish, but for being politically incorrect, which by left-wing communist standards is the ultimate crime, punishable by execution if deemed sufficiently severe.
The committee members were high level, life long, witting, articulate participants in the international communist conspiracy to conquer the world.
They condoned, or at least didn’t oppose the execution and forced starvation of millions of Russian citizens who were deemed to be standing in the way of the “progressive” march toward a Soviet world.
If they discovered their Jewishness later in life, and there is no definitive evidence that they did, it was too little too late.

Execution of anyone, for any reason, is terrible to contemplate and arouses natural sympathy.
Certainly, from an American perspective, the execution of the fifteen members of the Jewish Anti Fascist committee was a gross injustice.
But from a left-wing communist perspective they had become politically incorrect, the ultimate socialist crime, and therefore execution was a viable remedy.
As the old adage goes, he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
They are not to be compared to the six million Jews who died in the Holocaust, who, rather than being Nazi’s, were killed for being Jews.
This was not a Pogrom or an inquisition against Jews, but a purging of Communists who became politically incorrect.

Chuck Morse Is the author of the upcoming book “Why I’m a Right Wing Extremist” www.chuckmorse.com
 

Elder

Starting XI
Originally posted by rhizome17
Hence you might be interested in the stoush between the Libertarians and FOX.

http://www.badnarik.org/PressRoom/archive.php?p=599

Interesting article, but I am not a fan of Bill O'Reilly. I can also tell you that O'Reilly was one of the only people to have the last Libertarian Presidential candidate on his show in the 2000 elections. He also has a local radio guy by the name of Neil Boortz on every once in awhile... well, until Mr. Boortz got under his skin on the air and he called him a "son of a bitch."

That was just classic.
 

Elder

Starting XI
Originally posted by rhizome17
Did you take the little quiz? Do it and post your result.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

"According to your answers, your political philosophy is: libertarian
Libertarian
Libertarians support a great deal of liberty and freedom of choice in both personal and economic matters. They believe government's only purpose is to protect people from coercion and violence. They value individual responsibility, and they tolerate economic and social diversity."

"Your Personal issues Score is 90%.
Your Economic issues Score is 90%. "


I answered "M" for the questions on the draft, and for corporate welfare. I have taken a larger version of a quiz like this and scored more centrist.

Where do you rank??
 

rhizome17

Fan Favourite
Your Personal issues Score is 100%.
Your Economic issues Score is 50%.

Left-Liberal

Left-Liberals generally embrace freedom of choice in personal matters, but support central decision-making in economics. They want the government to help the disadvantaged in the name of fairness. Liberals tend to tolerate social diversity, but work for what they might describe as "economic equality."

Libertarian

Libertarians support a great deal of liberty and freedom of choice in both personal and economic matters. They believe government's only purpose is to protect people from coercion and violence. They value individual responsibility, and they tolerate economic and social diversity.

I put Y for all the personal issues, and also for ending corporate welfare and free trade. I put M for Social Security, and N for welfare and spending cuts. I was however tempted to put Y for cutting government spending, but it is too general as there is no differentiation in what the spending is on.

My chart:
 

USA Supporter

Reserve Team
I'm also a Libertarian according to that very general quiz (which doesn't surprise me because I have always said that my beliefs are closer to the Libertarian party than any other party.) This is what I got:

Your Personal issues Score is 100%.
Your Economic issues Score is 70%.
 

Elder

Starting XI
There was a funny Michael Moore - Bill O'Reilly interview yesterday on Fox News. They basically just yelled at each other, but Moore could never answer a question in a straightforward manner.

I'll try to dig up a transcript.
 

Aveirenses

Banned
Life Ban
According to your answers, your political philosophy is: centrist

Centrist
Centrists favor selective government intervention and emphasize what they commonly describe as "practical solutions" to current problems. They tend to keep an open mind on political issues. Many centrists feel that government serves as a check on excessive liberty.

The red dot on the Chart shows where you fit on the political map.


Your Personal issues Score is 50%.
Your Economic issues Score is 30%.
 


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