Xifio;3104613 said:
haha, money motivation -- why am I not surprised you listed that first?
I don't know, I don't care.
the team chemistry where he's surrounded by talented and creative players, but isn't the focal point / leader being fed the ball at his will, adversely affects him ... I consider that a mental shortcoming ... I'm not basing it on one tournament, I'm basing it on his entire career ... again, ask other calcio fans ...
Again, this is your theory, and it's just one of many possibilities, as I've said before. You're saying that this is the reason, but you don't know that for fact, you're assuming it, and as we all know, xifio's opinion is never off-base nor is it ever wrong, right?
Also, telling me to ask other calcio fans is very easy for you, since this site has a well-reported shortage of them. But sure, I ask anyone who watches Calcio regularly to tell me about Di Natale and his abilities and weaknesses.
Sidenote, I could've done the same with the Baines argument (and other Prem fans actually did come in and said Baines as a good pick), but that didn't affect your opinion at all, and righftully so because you can't make a ruling just becausr there are more people who agree or disagree with you. It certainly helps your cause, but it carries little weight, which is why telling me to ask other people is a total cop-out. Can't you just supply me with proof? You can't, because your argument is theoritcal and unprovable, which is why you're using it, because just like you can't prove it right, I can't prove it wrong.
God forbid we base our opinions on the players' actual performance (which you have to an extent, but you've explained his shortcomings with a theory that, as I said, is unprovable).
says who? coz the signs suggest otherwise ...
No, you're interpreting the signs in one way, and I've offered a different interpretation, as well as many other possible reasons for why he hasn't been signed by a bigger clubs. You are not in the board or staff of any big club, nor have you offered any quote or proof that this is why they haven't signed him, so, you have none, ergo, your theory is based on hypothesis, which is why it's not a valid one. It's simply your opinion.
show me proof that a big club were willing to break the bank for his abilities, and didn't doubt his mental shortcomings ...
Why should I? You're the one saying they didn't sign him for that reason, you show me proof. You're trying to turn the argument around and it's not going to work. You've stated your theory, I'm asking you to justify with something that isn't your opinion.
But hey, sure:
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2010/08/26/sp-di-natale-juventus.html
This is a report saying Di Natale rejected an offer from Juventus. This doesn't prove anything, although I've founded the same story on multiple sites, but still, other than 'where there's smoke there's fire', it isn't valid proof. And I also found speculation that Roma were bidding him from all the way back in 2008 up until this summer, which again, not proof, but it's much more than what you've offered.
You could say that these aren't big clubs, which is a seperate debate I won't get into. Also, note that I'm not saying big teams have actually bid for him, because it's entirely possible that they haven't, but there are many reasons for why that might be, not just your psychology theory.
So, where's your proof (or speculation from anyone other than you) that no team has bid for him because of his mental issues?
believe what you want ... I, as we all do, pass judgment based on what I believe ... I think there is something wrong with a player taking a couple of years to step up from Wigan to Everton ... I doubt an outfield player's mental ability if they're 25/26 by the time the big teams are thinking about maybe having a punt on his signing ... basically, if I were in charge of a title-challenging team, I wouldn't think it was at all worth gambling on such a player when I felt there were far better options still available ... I had nothing more to say about, so I didn't ... if you prefer a different philosophy, so be it ...
Yes, there's something wrong with Baines, he took a while to step up, but that's in the past. We're discussing current ability, and at most potential ability. And Baines is currently a great full-back. That he took long to get there is irrelevant. If I take 10 years to master the ability to score every penalty I take, and you take 2 hours, in the end, we both have the same ability.
Drogba made the step up to Chelsea when he was 26, and took a little while longer to become the potent striking force that he is. You can doubt his mental strengths as much as you want, Drogba has been one of the best strikers in the world for years now. You have no argument against his actual ability, you're just theorizing about the mental aspect of his game, and you're making ridiculous hypotheses at that. He wasn't a wonderkid so something must be wrong with him? Right. Again, you're making arguments which cannot be proven or disproven, which is exactly what you like, because it makes it difficult to challenge your statements, even though, on inspection, they're based on nothing but your opinion.
You not wanting to sign him is your opinion, and that's fine, I wouldn't have signed Kjaer, but that fact doen't reflect on his ability at all. Nor should it.
Of course you had nothing more to say on that, your argument was faulty, and you had no response to my side of it, so you abandoned it.
based on the only evidence we have of him being surrounded by better players -- the Azzurri -- he's largely cut a sorry figure over the many years of his career ...
True, which, as I've pointed out, isn't definite proof that he wouldn't work out when surrounded by other better players.
but I agree that maybe he will work in your system; that's why in my first response to your pick, I said that maybe he could be a versatile player for you ... feel free to solicit the opinions of other calcio fans who've also seen him over the years ...
I have, but it wouldn't matter, I form my opinions based on my own criteria, not other people's.
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