Should EA stick to North American sports?

[Hearts_FC]

This may upset a lot of people...uh sorry however I beleive that EA should pass the rights of FIFA 2004 etc onto another company in Europe or possibly South America.

Yet again they rush release a game that contains many bugs and iritations. I have nothing at all against Canada, however it would apear that football is not at all popular in the country and this is rubbing off on the designers of the game who have become lazy.

Anyway the point is that the game needs to be handed over to people who have a great knowledge and passion for football and EA can concentrate on Madden and there various Hockey games.

Please vote in the poll.

cheers

 

[valioso]

any big companies you know that have the resources to make a game as big as fifa 2004 in europe or south america?

Besides, this argument is pointless, it has nothing to do with where EA hq are. By the same thing, Konami is in japan, so how come winning eleven is so much better, is not like japanese football has been so great

 

[SoccerNutUSA]

Hmmm, good question. Here's the problem: It's really not a function of their soccer (football) knowledge, or lack thereof, it's a simple matter of economics. In North America, there is a lot of competition, like you said, for sports games more popular in N. America. So EA really needs to be on top of their game to compete with other companies' American Footballs, Hockeys, Baseballs, etc. But no other company really has enough large market share of the soccer game industry that EA has to worry. So they can afford to be a bit, to borrow your word, lazier.

But would it be any better if developed in a different country? It may be an arguably better game, but would people buy it? Unfortunately, for better or worse, EA Sports has become the leader against which all other sports games are measured. And unfortunately also, this applies to soccer here in the U.S.

So EA has two things in its favor: First, people like us will keep buying it because it's from EA, and they're supposedly the best in sports games (over here, anyway). Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Second, we're blessed with wonderfully talented people who make patches, add-ons, etc. that greatly improve the game and extend it's shelf life. If you're like me, you bought the game knowing it would only get good once the patchmakers started working their magic.

I think we're kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place... The companies with the talent to make a better game just don't have the financial and marketing resources to compete... for now...

 

[Hearts_FC]

Originally posted by valioso
any big companies you know that have the resources to make a game as big as fifa 2004 in europe or south america?

Besides, this argument is pointless, it has nothing to do with where EA hq are. By the same thing, Konami is in japan, so how come winning eleven is so much better, is not like japanese football has been so great

I don't beleive the argument is "pointless' at all...and it wouldnt take a massive company to make the game. Rockstar Games are based in Britain and they make the Grand Theft Auto series. As for winning eleven, I've never even heard of it, so it must be good right?

I think SoccerNutUSA made some valid points though, EA have a monopoly on the genre and as long as we keep buying the game (I know I will) they will keep making it. On further reflection perhaps completely moving the development to another country is unneccessary. I do think they need to hire designers who know more about the sport though.

 

[Hercules]

I agree that this arguement is POINTLESS. Since, why would anybody buy the rights for FIFA 2004? And EA won't do whatever you say anyway. If some company is prepared to buy the rights for FIFA 2004, they will be good enough to make a game of their own, and compete with their own calibre, own name and own reputation. They don't have to use EA's.

And anyway, this is all too extreme, FIFA has been a great success story for EA, just look at how much revenue it is generating for EA!! Why would they throw away such a big money spinner?

 

[Hearts_FC]

Originally posted by Hercules
I agree that this arguement is POINTLESS.
Since, why would anybody buy the rights for FIFA 2004? And EA won't do whatever you say anyway. If some company is prepared to buy the rights for FIFA 2004, they will be good enough to make a game of their own, and compete with their own calibre, own name and own reputation. They don't have to use EA's.

And anyway, this is all too extreme, FIFA has been a great success story for EA, just look at how much revenue it is generating for EA!! Why would they throw away such a big money spinner?

yeah thats why I just said this


"On further reflection perhaps completely moving the development to another country is unneccessary"

In my previous post

Getting a bit hot under the collar about nuthin arent you? It was merely a sugestion for people to ponder lol

 

[TristanAbbott7]

No chance!

I don't think EA Sports are about to pass on their cash cow. American Football, Basketball and Ice Hockey probably only sell that well in North America whereas their FIFA soccer series sells well all over the world.

It's ironic that Japan seem to make the best soccer games becasue the world powers in soccer don't seem to be making many quality soccer games do they? Stand up Brazil, France, Argentina, Italy, etc.!!!

I think that EA Sports have the ability to make the game a winner but they just totally ignore feedback and refuse to correct problems. It's their arrogance which leads to them producing bad soccer titles, not their lack of ability to make a decent game. The fact they won't release patches for their FIFA series anymore just goes to show that FIFA is just a three month a year adventure for them and if you don't like it, what are you going to do about it unless you own a PS2?

Good job ISS3 is coming to the PC. It may not be as good as Winning 11 or PES2 but the gameplay will no doubt be better than FIFA. EA Sports will lose more and more of it's market share until economics makes the venture unprofitable. They will go out with a whimper rather than a bang. They've only got themselves, their greed and their exploitation of their customers to blame.

 

[Hercules]

Making good football games is not accordance to the quality of the national team and national league, it's obviously accordance to the quality of computer ppl that the country possess.....

 

[mohawk]

Re: Should EA stick to North American sports?

Originally posted by Hearts_FC
This may upset a lot of people...uh sorry however I beleive that EA should pass the rights of FIFA 2004 etc onto another company in Europe or possibly South America.

Yet again they rush release a game that contains many bugs and iritations. I have nothing at all against Canada, however it would apear that football is not at all popular in the country and this is rubbing off on the designers of the game who have become lazy.

Anyway the point is that the game needs to be handed over to people who have a great knowledge and passion for football and EA can concentrate on Madden and there various Hockey games.

Please vote in the poll.

cheers

Japan aren't exactly soccer world champions either yet they can come out with a game like PES...so whats your point???

Fifa has probably got more European influence than either the ISS or PES series....

 

[Hearts_FC]

Re: Re: Should EA stick to North American sports?

Originally posted by mohawk
Japan aren't exactly soccer world champions either yet they can come out with a game like PES...so whats your point???

Sure...it's likely down to 1.The fact that it's Japan speaks for itself. They are some of the most dedicated and hard working people in the world 2.Konami have been in the games industry for years, they were making soccer games for arcades WAY before EA were even a thought. 3.proper research and quality control...football in Japan has become very popular in the past few years and it may also be that the game designers bring that passion to work with them.

Originally posted by mohawk
Fifa has probably got more European influence than either the ISS or PES series.... [/B]

Fantastic! The designers are STILL guilty of lack of research and lazy production IMO though. Someone said they think FIFA is a 3 month project for EA and I beleive he is spot on!

 

[Gascoigne USA]

Yeah I agree, EA wont be giving up Fifa.. specaially because all you fools buy it (I bought 2003, I will not buy another fifa game again untill it equals WE series). EA can make a great game if they wanna spend time on it.. but I dont think they do... Fifa still lacks a franchise mode, a mode that pretty much EVERY EA sports game has... the just dont care... And even with the patches and crap it is is no where close to Konami soccer titles. I say to all you fifa players still playing that piss poor game because its the only one on a PC to just buy ISS3, pray for Winng Eleven to be released for the PC, and use fifa 2003 and evey other fifa game u have as coasters for your beer It would be more useful then the game, you would have a FIFA series coaster set.

 

[mohawk]

Re: Re: Re: Should EA stick to North American sports?

so how come no european developer has come out with a decent footie game to challenge EA??? Whats stopping them??? Stop this bullsh*t about just the fact that EA are Canadian they know nothing about making a decent footie game.... Like I said earlier EA probably got more Europeans involved in developing Fifa2003 than PES ever had...this proves nationality and passion got absolutely nothing to do with it.

I'll further add, how come PES is head over heels ahead of ISS?? they both made in japan just different developing houses????

life is not black and white.....

 

[Hans]

Originally posted by Hearts_FC
I don't beleive the argument is "pointless' at all...and it wouldnt take a massive company to make the game. Rockstar Games are based in Britain and they make the Grand Theft Auto series. As for winning eleven, I've never even heard of it, so it must be good right?

If you know PES series, you`ll know WE. It`s the same, only WE is sold commonly in Asia, PES is WE with English language and interface.

 

[mohawk]

Originally posted by Hercules
Making good football games is not accordance to the quality of the national team and national league, it's obviously accordance to the quality of computer ppl that the country possess.....

Here here...someone talking some sense....

 

[Hearts_FC]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Should EA stick to North American sports?

Originally posted by mohawk
so how come no european developer has come out with a decent footie game to challenge EA??? Whats stopping them???

No idea mate, I'm not in the games industry...I could hazard a guess and say it's because EA and Konami have held the market for years and it's too risky a venture.

Originally posted by mohawk
Stop this bullsh*t about just the fact that EA are Canadian they know nothing about making a decent footie game

Oh yes FIFA is flawless isn’t it LOL! Can you tell me then oh wise one why the game has tons of bugs in it? Hey lets gloss over the fact the game has no handball rule eh! or the fact the players look like they are wearing shoulder pads! Gee no Madden influence there is there! Or the fact the designers pretty much removed the ability to head the ball (yes it's possible but only rarely)

If you read back to what I said after some input from INTELLIGENT responders, I did retract my opinion that they should move HQ's...but I still think they know less about the sport than they should. Can you tell me why it took years to implement the backpass rule and also the through ball???

Originally posted by mohawk
.... Like I said earlier EA probably got more Europeans involved in developing Fifa2003 than PES ever had...this proves nationality and passion got absolutely nothing to do with it.

No it doesn't - If I said there are probably aliens living on earth it doesn’t make it true...give me some facts and stop guessing.

Originally posted by mohawk
I'll further add, how come PES is head over heels ahead of ISS?? they both made in japan just different developing houses????
life is not black and white.....

Uhm PES have better programmers? It happens ya know lol

 

[SoccerNutUSA]

Originally posted by Gascoigne USA
...and use fifa 2003 and evey other fifa game u have as coasters for your beer It would be more useful then the game, you would have a FIFA series coaster set.

But I already have an AOL coaster set...

 

[TristanAbbott7]

I think...

It all comes down to company policy. EA Sports are more than capable of making a game like PES2 but they can't be bothered.

Konami have been working hard year after year to improve their soccer titles and have put as much if not more effort into the gameplay as the graphics.

EA Sports think graphics is more important than gameplay so they don't spend much time on gameplay. Look how many years it took them to seperate the ball from the players feet! Also, how on this earth did they release FIFA 2003 with such a huge problem with the heading? There is no way on this planet they could have tested that game enough or if they did, they obviously couldn't give a crap.

Konami wouldn't release a game with the number of errors that EA Sports would.

So there you have your big difference. The country is irrelevant, it comes down to the idiots in charge. Thankfully for the rest of us, at least in North America, we will soon have Winning Eleven 6 and ISS3 so EA Sports have to make a big decison when they start work on FIFA 2004 in August (don't tell me they spend more than three months on it!). Konami have been beating them out in Europe and now it's gonna happen over here. I predict FIFA 2004 to be the last soccer title from EA Sports because nobody will give a crap about them after Konami have hit every console and the PC.

That is unless you only love graphics and don't care about being able to header the ball.

 

[ezio]

Re: I think...

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
So there you have your big difference. The country is irrelevant, it comes down to the idiots in charge. Thankfully for the rest of us, at least in North America, we will soon have Winning Eleven 6 and ISS3 so EA Sports have to make a big decison when they start work on FIFA 2004 in August (don't tell me they spend more than three months on it!). Konami have been beating them out in Europe and now it's gonna happen over here. I predict FIFA 2004 to be the last soccer title from EA Sports because nobody will give a crap about them after Konami have hit every console and the PC.

That is unless you only love graphics and don't care about being able to header the ball.

It will actually be intersting to see how EA respnods now that Konami is releasing ISS3 on pc and we6 on the ps2 in the states.

Ezio

 

[Hans]

Re: Re: I think...

Originally posted by ezio
It will actually be intersting to see how EA respnods now that Konami is releasing ISS3 on pc and we6 on the ps2 in the states.

Ezio

They won`t give any reaction. They still got other games like NBA series, F1 and the The Sims, so they will always treat their FIFA`s as second priority, despite the fact that football is the most favourite sport in the planet. Nothin` against basketball or the Canada stuff, but despite the fact that Japanese football isn`t so great, they do have the passion for the game, they do have better programmers, and they made games that is remembered not only hit the market one time but then fade away. And Japanese have work ethics that`s called "Kaizen" which means continous improvement. RE series, MGS series are all made by Japan.

 

[valioso]

If they feel the economic hit, they will make a great game, they have much more resources than Konami and they are willing to spend more money than Konami ever would. Not to mention Fifa is their biggest game, cause it seels millions and millions worldwide