strengths/weaknesses vs. FIFA

[Pere Ubu]

He's not playing PES - he's playing one of the PS1 titles. I think he said as much, but you can tell from the problems he's describing. Also, he's in America, and only hardcore ISS gamers have got PES over there.

Those of us who have PES should go back and try a couple of games of ISS Pro Evolution, the first one (which I think is the one Voltaire's playing). Believe it or not, there are a few problems in it. It's like when someone is losing weight, you don't notice, then you see a picture of them a year ago and you realize they were quite fat. PES has solved these problems (almost all of them), but those older games can frustrate you a lot more.

And I think the sig quote is from Gary Lineker.

 

[Voltaire]

alright

Once again, here's a response to most of you, so you'll just have to look for my reply to you...

1. Yes, I'm still on the PS1 (since my computer is prehistoric, and can't handle good looking soccer anymore), and I have ISS Pro Evolution (year 2000); I know it's an old copy since a lot of the uniforms look pre-Euro 2000 (for instance, Germany still plays in the same kit as they did in 1998 World Cup).

2. There's no way for me to get the latest versions because I was lucky enough to have found a used copy of Pro Evolution having searched 5 shopping malls, 2 Best Buys, and one local gamestore - since I don't use a credit card, I have to check for these things at the store.

3. I'm not sure if this is EXACTLY the quote as it was once said, but I BELIEVE it was an English soccer star who said it back in the day when Germany was dominant. Is that what you're asking? Or are you asking me if this was the same quote I had up here 2 years ago?

 

[theCRO]

Voltaire, you haven't even played the latest 2 games, and you muster an attack on this game, based on something from 1999.

Get the new version, then come back and complain.

 

[the_man]

I'm kicking myself for even responding to this post. I should have known better.

 

[Voltaire]

theCro

theCro,

Well, 2 years ago, ISS was the rage, so I'm giving my evaluation based on what I've played and the terrific rumours I've heard about this game. And since I am evaluating ISS Pro Evolution (and this being an ISS forum), I think I'm entitled to my opinion - and my assessment so far has been spot on.

So, you think Croatia will make it in 2006? =)

 

[LaBrujita]

now that we know we are arguing over different things...
Let's just be content that the iss series is closer to real soccer than it is to fifa... except for the whole video game fantasy world thing. Also let's find the humour that iss pe with it's shitwhole graphics is still undoubtebly better than fifa2002.

 

[Voltaire]

lightyears

You're right - Pro Evolution (made more than a year ago) is light years ahead of FIFA 2002 (in most departments anways).

 

[theCRO]

VOLTAIRE,


Are you under the impression that Croatia didn't qualify for this World Cup? You dumbass, do you watch soccer? Do you read anything? We qualified as first, I seem to remember a certain team conceding more goals in one half than Croatia conceded all qualifiers? Who might that be? Maybe it's those mighty Germans who took the early plane out of France when Croatia sent them packing.

 

[Voltaire]

lol

You're right, theCro, sorry...I keep getting Euro 2000 confused with WC (I don't keep track of Croatia)...

Anyways, I don't understand where your hostility comes from - first off, you're the one who started the Germany-Croatia arguement in the other thread, and I simply argued my position - but then you have to resort to insults? You and Sucker (oops, I really meant Suker) would make a fine striking couple.

 

[the_man]

since I already started posting in this thread, i might as well go all the way.

Voltaire, i know you are entitled to your opinions and such, frankly whatever you say about any of the games, doesn't really phase me cos I know what I play and it is the best game for me. Now, that out of the way, why in the world are you comparing a game that came out years ago to one that came out a month ago? I just don't get it. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

 

[Voltaire]

the-man

You see, ISS titles are hard to get where I live, and as I've stated before, I found this ISS title (Pro Evolution) at a used gamestore - so, you can only guess that I thought this was ISS' latest game. I was wrong to think that, but then how can you single me out when everyone else here thought I was talking about the latest version when I clearly stated "ISS Pro Evolution?"

In any case, FIFA 2002 and ISS Pro Evolution are still comparable titles - since I've never played a Konami title in my life, the game was very new, and very different than EA's FIFA.

 

[the_man]

Re: the-man

Originally posted by Voltaire
You see, ISS titles are hard to get where I live, and as I've stated before, I found this ISS title (Pro Evolution) at a used gamestore - so, you can only guess that I thought this was ISS' latest game. I was wrong to think that, but then how can you single me out when everyone else here thought I was talking about the latest version when I clearly stated "ISS Pro Evolution?"

In any case, FIFA 2002 and ISS Pro Evolution are still comparable titles - since I've never played a Konami title in my life, the game was very new, and very different than EA's FIFA.

Honest mistake on your part. The reason why everyone thought that you were talking about the latest greatest is because you said "...my first Konami soccer title: ISS Pro Evolution Soccer. " Well Pro Evolution Soccer (PES) is the latest greatest, International Superstar Soccer Pro Evolution (ISSPE) is the name of the one you have. Yes, Konami have issues with the names of their games. After people who have played the latest read some of your comments, we suspected something fishy...my first post was a question on what version you were playing, it was clear from your first post.

I don't like the idea of comparing someones 'latest greatest' game to anothers '2 generations ago' game. Albeit, ISSPE still beats fifa2k2 in some aspects, a better comparison would be PES and Fifa2k2.

 

[Tom Green]

Re: Re: the-man

Originally posted by the_man


Honest mistake on your part. The reason why everyone thought that you were talking about the latest greatest is because you said "...my first Konami soccer title: ISS Pro Evolution Soccer. " Well Pro Evolution Soccer (PES) is the latest greatest, International Superstar Soccer Pro Evolution (ISSPE) is the name of the one you have. Yes, Konami have issues with the names of their games. After people who have played the latest read some of your comments, we suspected something fishy...my first post was a question on what version you were playing, it was clear from your first post.

I don't like the idea of comparing someones 'latest greatest' game to anothers '2 generations ago' game. Albeit, ISSPE still beats fifa2k2 in some aspects, a better comparison would be PES and Fifa2k2.

youre wrong,coz ISSPE1 kicks fifa 2k2´s ass on every aspect(except commentary of course -)

 

[bertkamp16]

Re: Re: Re: the-man

Originally posted by Tom Green


youre wrong,coz ISSPE1 kicks fifa 2k2´s ass on every aspect(except commentary of course -)

I don't see how he's wrong. the_man said "Albeit, ISSPE still beats fifa2k2 in some aspects, a better comparison would be PES and Fifa2k2." By making an exception for commentary, you basically said the same thing he did. You really didn't mean "every aspect" did you?

 

[Voltaire]

well

Well, I did start calling it Pro Evolution Soccer at first, but then someone corrected me immediately. But, that's not important anymore.

Ok, I understand what you're saying, but I probably wouldn't have made the comparison between FIFA 2002 and Pro Evolution if I didn't think my copy was the latest one (as you pointed out, "honest mistake"): I could just compare it to FIFA 2001 (both made the same year), but I'd still think Pro Evolution was superior.

Anyways, I don't know what the fuss is all about: I'm starting to find the irrelevant Konami commentary entertaining...in one match where I took 33 shots on target, Terry Butcher makes an expert analysis: "Well, they're good, but they can do even better if they can get down the field faster."

 

[Han]

Originally posted by the_man
since I already started posting in this thread, i might as well go all the way.

Voltaire, i know you are entitled to your opinions and such, frankly whatever you say about any of the games, doesn't really phase me cos I know what I play and it is the best game for me. Now, that out of the way, why in the world are you comparing a game that came out years ago to one that came out a month ago? I just don't get it. It just doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

The_man, it's very simple, but only if you know where the name "Voltaire" comes from.
It was a 17th-18th century-writer with a very sharp, ironical and sarcastic style. They thew him in the French jail "Bastille", because of his critism on cultural life in France.
Reading his posts, it looks like he even tries to simulate that style.
So for me it is crystal-clear; he's a troublemaker, only here to upset this community.
I'v seen these types on other forums as well; some people are just intrigants

 

[Voltaire]

"Cultivate your Garden"

Trouble-maker, Han?

I was here back in 1999, and I wasn't a troublemaker, and I still am not. Besides, "Voltaire" never admitted to being wrong, which I have already done. And have I not already stated it was a mistake for me believing that my used copy of Pro Evolution was the latest one?

Being in the US, the only other Konami soccer title I've seen was an MLS game, so when I saw "ISS Pro Evolution," I was thinking to myself "Man, is this the game everyone's been talking about?"
I checked the year (made in 2000), and I had second thoughts, but perhaps, maybe they stopped making soccer titles? That's what my thinking was.

If there's someone trying to cause trouble, it's you - you who is trying to get a lynch mob started against me because of my name.

By the way, did you enjoy "Candide?" Not a bad story, but the conclusion was awful.

 

[Han]

Remove your stinging nettles


I was here back in 1999, and I wasn't a troublemaker, and I still am not.
I was here too in 1999 but what's the relevancy?

Besides, "Voltaire" never admitted to being wrong, which I have already done. And have I not already stated it was a mistake for me believing that my used copy of Pro Evolution was the latest one?
In my opinion you did everything to hide what version you have, for instance by your matchreport where you talked about "and came back and won 5-4 thanks to 2 headers from my Brazilian import, and 2 wicked long shots from some jap on my team:"
If you told us WHAT Brazilian and WHAT Jap I am sure most of us instantly knew you was not talking about ISSPE2, so that's why you formulated yourself as you did.
That you admitted using ISSPE1, was because some intelligent guys drove you to do that.

By the way, did you enjoy "Candide?" Not a bad story, but the conclusion was awful.
No, I have a very general knowledge about old literature and only know Voltaire for his acts in general; never read his books.

 

[ZePenguin]

I analyzed this book 2 years ago and it's ****ing boring...and the ending is even worse.
It's well written and has some interesting philosphical ideas, but that's it, the story is not good at all...but well it's not the point of the book to have a good story anyway

 

[ezio]

OK well let me get back to the original point of this thread which is Strenghts/Weakness vs. Fifa. Ok here goes. I am playing Fifa 2002 and ISS Pro Evo 2 running an emulator both on my PC. I will start by saying that I play and enjoy both games so I am kind of neutral in this whole deabte. There are reasons that I play both games which I won't go into here. However, there are a few things that stand out in ISS over Fifa.

1. Teams do not all play the same way. teams will play similar to the way the real teams and players do in ISS. In Fifa 2002 every team does the same thing over and over.

2. In ISS if you lose you don't feel like you got cheated. I am playing ISS on easy because I suck on Normal LOL. Anyway, I was playing with Italy vs. USA. I tied 1-1 but on the goal they got I went for a challenge on the ball that I shouldn't have and missed and they scored. Felt like it was my fault not that the computer cheated.

3. Master League - In my opinion this is a cool feature although I am not ready for it yet because you can only play on normal and hard. Anway, it has different teams from Europe but no matter who you use you start in the 2nd division with crap players and get points for wins and ties etc. and you can buy better players.

4. Strategy plays a key role in ISS. It is more of a factor in this years Fifa but still more so in ISS. You can also do more. Move indiviual players. Double teams players from the other team etc.

Well these are my thoughts and like I said I do enjoy both games and Fifa is a bit better with some gameplay patches that people have released. Hopefully EA will release their own official patch and fix the AI.

Thank you.

Ezio