The Arsenal [2009/2010]

[Filipower]

I hear what you guys are saying, but Arsenal fans really must be fed up, this started with Cashley Cole and hasn't stopped, now it's Ade and Toure... I mean...

 

[thelordspawn]

I hear what you guys are saying, but Arsenal fans really must be fed up, this started with Cashley Cole and hasn't stopped, now it's Ade and Toure... I mean...

yah the Arsenal fans are being a disgrace and not getting punished for it yet the player do for responding. totally stupid. Im very happy Adebayor did that celebration. Because the Arsenal fans deserved it for the way they treated Adebayor which was uncalled for.

 

[Filipower]

Huh, you didn't get my point...

 

[Gunnersgoal22]

I'm not calling Adebayor's celebration alone disgraceful. It was a poor and immature thing to do, even Adebayor admitted that when he apologized. But when you take that and put it with the violent stamp on Van Persie and his constant fouls throughout, his overall behavior on the pitch reminded me of a spoiled child and was somewhat disgraceful. By the way I was NOT one of the Arsenal fans that turned on Adebayor, in fact I was disappointed when he left. Though I don't condone some of the harsh treatment some supporters gave him, Adebayor should remember that if it weren't for Arsenal he'd probably be **** all in France right now.

By the way Pede you really got us with your analysis of the state of Arsenal football club. Yea, the board has set out to have no ambition and not win anything in the near future, that makes sense Obviously everyone at Arsenal wants to win something and is doing their best to make that happen. But we've moved to a state of the art stadium and we're managing our debt reasonably, both things can not be said about your club. Our manager has philosophies that he sticks to, sometimes I don't agree with him, but I respect him for them. So your claim that we simply don't want to win anything is absurd, of course we want to win something dearly, I'm not sure if I think we'll win something this year, but we're working within our own means and not burying the club in debt to make sure we'll win something as soon as possible.

 

[pede54]

I should have said,

"Why the fu<k would any player with ambitions to win something before he retires, want to remain at a club who HE PERCEIVES to have no ambition?"

My bad 'cos the way I put it sounds like I'm having a dig, and that wasn't the case.

I also appreciate the fact that your club are paying (in part), for the Emirates, and I also understand your traditionally frugal board don't want to over stretch themselves financially, and that's sensible, but even when Wenger is told he can buy players when he needs them, he doesn't buy them. What's that all about?

So Arsenal's problems do not stem simply from funding the Emirates, which in fact they have no problem in paying, considering the worth and earning power of Arsenal PLC.

The problems also stem from Wenger with his admirable, but ill advised philosophy regarding how the game should be played. He had a couple of great seasons when he first got here (like Mourinho), and then every other club worked out how to play such a one dimensional football team, and the trophy's dried up. If Jose would have stayed at Chelsea, I believe we would have also been in the same boat.

Jose knew when to get out. He knew that other coaches from other clubs, after 2 seasons of success for us, had found a way to overcome his once fresh ideas. Wenger should do the same, but he will not.

Perhaps eventually as the existing players get older, and if they stay of course, ( you do have a lot of players that consistantly want to leave Arsenal. Why is that you need to ask yourselves), Wenger might even win something again. It could be a long wait though I think.

Just my opinion lads, although I do know that the Arsenal faithful are very divided when it comes to Wenger. He's still a great coach of course, so maybe he should stick to coaching, and let someone else manage the team.

Personally I hope he stays where he is. As a Chelsea fan, I like it the way it is


I would still like to know why the FA have not charged Arsenal or their fans, for throwing missiles onto the pitch. Provocation has never been an acceptable excuse in the past, and it shouldn't be now.

 

[ArgVega]

The problems also stem from Wenger with his admirable, but ill advised philosophy regarding how the game should be played. He had a couple of great seasons when he first got here (like Mourinho), and then every other club worked out how to play such a one dimensional football team, and the trophy's dried up. If Jose would have stayed at Chelsea, I believe we would have also been in the same boat.

There is absolutely nothing wrong from being true to your philosophy or style of football, look at us at barca, our philosophy and relentless style of play has taken us where we are...

wenger just needs to find the right balance between youth players and singing experienced talents, when he does, his "one dimensional" football as you put it will be irrelevant...

 

[Zakov]

I think its not just the philosophy of football but its his one dimensional policy of not having the right balance with experience and youth. Previously I thought he had that during the 1997-1999 and 2002-2004.

I mean he has signed the likes of Rosicky, Gallas and Arshavin, but they haven't contributed much towards changing the mentality of the club when it comes to dealing with bad results. I always saw Arsenal as team, that once they lose one game(after going on a good run) they'll start going downhill for a spell.

And why do players at Arsenal keep leaving after establishing themselves at the club? Just from recently, likes of Hleb, Flamini, Adebayor, who made their names at Arsenal all went to other clubs because they felt Arsenal was stagnating when they was still at the club(constantly called "a team in transition for god knows how long".

Currently I would say, Arsenal lack leaders on the pitch. Leadership comes from experience and Cesc could be seen as one(but still not proven fully), but if he's out, who'll be the one to rile up the players when they're down? Gallas?

 

[pede54]

There is absolutely nothing wrong from being true to your philosophy or style of football, look at us at barca, our philosophy and relentless style of play has taken us where we are...

wenger just needs to find the right balance between youth players and singing experienced talents, when he does, his "one dimensional" football as you put it will be irrelevant...

La Liga is a very different league to the EPL mate. That is the big difference. Wenger would be better off in Spain to be honest, or somewhere else where they play footie as a non-contact sport.

And if you are about to mention Barca's success in Europe last season, I have one word for you man......Ovrebo

 

[Arnau]

nah wenger can only train a top club, and the top clubs in spain (2) wont hold up a coach if he dont win a tittle in a season.

 

[pede54]

Arsenal were a top club when Wenger arrived. They aint now. That has to tell you something. Any other club would have sacked him by now, but he suits the Arsenal board because he doesn't ask for their money, and they like that a lot.

 

[Arnau]

i quite admire wenger for his football thought, Arsenal used to be a rock-football rude defensive team before Arsène.

 

[ArgVega]

La Liga is a very different league to the EPL mate. That is the big difference. Wenger would be better off in Spain to be honest, or somewhere else where they play footie as a non-contact sport.

And if you are about to mention Barca's success in Europe last season, I have one word for you man......Ovrebo

Haha still hiding behind that excuse... We have shown we have the ability to compete agains the english "brute" force defensive tactics:

2006: Final 2-1 Arsenal, also beat you that year
2008: Semi-Final 0-1 Manchester United
2009: Final 2-0, Manchester United(English Champions 3 years in a row)

Don't even try to say english clubs have the ability to dominate us, they always put 11 goalkeepers on the field...

Arsenal were a top club when Wenger arrived. They aint now. That has to tell you something. Any other club would have sacked him by now, but he suits the Arsenal board because he doesn't ask for their money, and they like that a lot.

Hows is wenger made arsenal not a big club, these are his stats

Arsenal(Wenger):
3 Premier League Title
4 FA Cups
1 UCL Final

These are your stats

Chelsea(since 2000):
2 Premier League Titles
3 FA Cups
1 UCL Final

does this mean you aren't a big club? is it because you have finished second place instead of fourth for the past 3 years??

confusious: "second place is the winner of the losers"

 

[Arnau]

now found a reason for chelsea flop in europe.

 

[pede54]

You won some and you lost some mate, that's the truth of it, or do you not remember the times that we defeated you? Fanboys

And as you are well aware, Ovrebo was not an excuse, he was the reason you won. You know it, I know it and the rest of the World knows it. You cannot paper over the facts mate. Your single goal would have been worthless if we had been given 2 of the 5 penalties that we were denied. Last season Barca were UEFA's blue eyed boys, so there was no way you were gonna fail. Truth.

I can see that you don't watch much English footie pal. 11 goalkeepers? You tart.

I said Arsenal were already a top club when Wenger inherited a winning squad. That squad could have had Steve McClaren in charge and they would have still won those titles and trophies.

As soon as Wenger dismantled that squad and began to build his own, things just got worse.

Confucious......Empty vessels make the most noise

Fanboys

 

[ARIAGA II]

Confucious......Empty vessels make the most noise

Fanboys

Irony

 

[Dytza]

You won some and you lost some mate, that's the truth of it, or do you not remember the times that we defeated you? Fanboys

And as you are well aware, Ovrebo was not an excuse, he was the reason you won. You know it, I know it and the rest of the World knows it. You cannot paper over the facts mate. Your single goal would have been worthless if we had been given 2 of the 5 penalties that we were denied. Last season Barca were UEFA's blue eyed boys, so there was no way you were gonna fail. Truth.

Really? Ironicboy ? Just 5 penalties? Why did I think you had 8?

We were not the only team helped by refs or should I remember you the Henry penalty in the 1st match + the incorrect Abidal red card. We just played the most outstanding football of the world, accept it.

Even if you would have scored 8 of the 8 penalties you were denied something should have happened and we had qualified. God of football really exists! And he never wants defensive with 10 men in the box ugly football in the most beautiful football competition.

I said in the semifinal match that the only clear penalty in my opinion is that one on the Pique's handball, and I keep my opinion.

 

[pede54]

Irony

Yet more Irony

 

[pede54]

Really? Ironicboy ? Just 5 penalties? Why did I think you had 8?

We were not the only team helped by refs or should I remember you the Henry penalty in the 1st match + the incorrect Abidal red card. We just played the most outstanding football of the world, accept it.

Even if you would have scored 8 of the 8 penalties you were denied something should have happened and we had qualified. God of football really exists! And he never wants defensive with 10 men in the box ugly football in the most beautiful football competition.

I said in the semifinal match that the only clear penalty in my opinion is that one on the Pique's handball, and I keep my opinion.

Well at least you admit that you were helped by the ref, that's something at least. The Abidal sending off was meaningless. The result was already decided before kick off, and the ref simply did that to evade any accusations of bias. Which you fell for by the way.

The God of football does exist for Barca, and his name is Platini.

And why do you Barca fanboys always have to bring Barcelona FC into every conversation? This was a discussion about Arsenal, but as usual you enter a thread and run your mouth off about your own club, like we would be interested anyway.

Try having a discussion without mentioning Barcelona, and there is a difference between a discussion and an argument. Don't argue, discuss. Do you appreciate the difference?

 

[Dytza]

Well at least you admit that you were helped by the ref, that's something at least. The Abidal sending off was meaningless. The result was already decided before kick off, and the ref simply did that to evade any accusations of bias. Which you fell for by the way.

The God of football does exist for Barca, and his name is Platini.

And why do you Barca fanboys always have to bring Barcelona FC into every conversation? This was a discussion about Arsenal, but as usual you enter a thread and run your mouth off about your own club, like we would be interested anyway.

Try having a discussion without mentioning Barcelona, and there is a difference between a discussion and an argument. Don't argue, discuss. Do you appreciate the difference?

You are really biased about the Platini part. And we were 'helped' just because ref didn't give penalty at Pique. In rest our opponents were much more helped than us. From what I remember now the 2 things in the semifinal + red card for Ballack + a very clear penalty with Bayern.

I usually just watch this thread and I saw you reminded again bout that Ovrebo thing.

So, you say we didn't deserve the CL last year right?

Oh, and yeah you beat us in the past..But remember how you beat us in 04-05 pfff...Ovrebo...

P.S: Sorry for Arsenal fans for this discussion.

 

[Mandieta6]

Arsenal have the easiest group of all the English teams and they come back from 2 down to beat Standard Liege, a newcomer in the competition. Congrats on the win. A shame you didn't lose, that would've made it far easier to laugh at you.