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pede54 said:
...I mean, the only thing most people watch the NHL for is for the fights that break out. That is a crazy reason for following a sport. For the violence?

ONLY IN THE US! European hockey players rely more on skill and Canadian hockey players rely on "crashing" the net...US audiences want to see the fights!

And one game in the group of death MAY not cost you progression, there is little to be optimistic about after getting hammered 3-0 the way they were!
 

pede54

Team Captain
oh man, you gotta watch some great football games to really have a good insight into why it turns so many people on. Maybe you have been unlucky and watched a handful of slow crappy games. Personally, I think a load of guys on skates chasing a puck and bouncing bodies off walls is pretty basic entertainment and very very dull indeed, but I guess its whatever you are brought up watching that allows you to appreciate the finer points of any sport. To me though its completely lacking in the level of skills required to play good football. It's just a silly idea for a game played by nations who get a lot of crap cold weather. I see more excitement watching paint dry.LOL
 

pede54

Team Captain
newbie original said:
ONLY IN THE US! European hockey players rely more on skill and Canadian hockey players rely on "crashing" the net...US audiences want to see the fights!

And one game in the group of death MAY not cost you progression, there is little to be optimistic about after getting hammered 3-0 the way they were!


OK I stand corrected on that point man. I thought all Hockey fans went for the fights. Cheers for that
 

CopeCOwBoy

Reserve Team
newbie original said:
ONLY IN THE US! European hockey players rely more on skill and Canadian hockey players rely on "crashing" the net...US audiences want to see the fights!

And one game in the group of death MAY not cost you progression, there is little to be optimistic about after getting hammered 3-0 the way they were!

Nah thats not true at all man, the alot of canadian fans are in to fights too, i got a site you can come to where we chat thats full of american and canadian hockey fans with a group of europeons too, everyone loves the game for the same reason. The people who DONT like hockey will watch it to see fights.
 

CopeCOwBoy

Reserve Team
pede54 said:
oh man, you gotta watch some great football games to really have a good insight into why it turns so many people on. Maybe you have been unlucky and watched a handful of slow crappy games. Personally, I think a load of guys on skates chasing a puck and bouncing bodies off walls is pretty basic entertainment and very very dull indeed, but I guess its whatever you are brought up watching that allows you to appreciate the finer points of any sport. To me though its completely lacking in the level of skills required to play good football. It's just a silly idea for a game played by nations who get a lot of crap cold weather. I see more excitement watching paint dry.LOL

lets pass a ball around for 90 minutes with no action, anyone can do that.
plus we get to watch lots of dives. heres a post on a hockey thread about soccer most is true.
....................................................................................

Indeed, and I'll never understand it. I watch soccer and the super slow pace bores me out. And the pansy players ... OMFG ... what is with that?! These guys take a light hit - sometimes they don't even get touched - and they drop to the ground like they got shot by a sniper, grimacing and moaning like 6 year old girls. Seriously ... WTF is with that?

One sport I love - which kind of combines elements of soccer and football - is Australian Rules Football. Now that is a damn fun sport to watch, and no pussies either, they play it tough.

I can understand how some people don't like hockey. It's a cold weather sport that people need to have money to be able to play (unlike basketball, for instance, which ten people can play with one $10 ball). Even still, I will never understand this universal love for soccer. It is a seriously crap sport with a bunch of punk players and pussies crying all over the field.

everyone says this aswell around here.
 

pede54

Team Captain
Well, like I said to love football you gotta understand it, and those guys sure don't understand the game if thats all they see. I agree football has its fair share of pussies though. Thats because the powers that be, have tried to make the game less physical over the years, resulting in some players using the tougher new laws to win free kicks or get a player sent off. Some leagues are full of that crap but some leagues like the EPL are much tougher and you don't get very much rolling around the floor crying like a baby at all. Where you do get that stuff, its soon dealt with. In England the players and the fans still prefer the more physical side of the game.Those comments are a generalisation and are not relevant to every league that exists. Those guys obviously watch the pussy leagues.

Each to their own I guess. Its all a matter of taste. I wouldn't condemn anyone for prefering one sport over another. Personally nothing for me comes anywhere near football.
 

CopeCOwBoy

Reserve Team
pede54 said:
Well, like I said to love football you gotta understand it, and those guys sure don't understand the game if thats all they see. I agree football has its fair share of pussies though. Thats because the powers that be, have tried to make the game less physical over the years, resulting in some players using the tougher new laws to win free kicks or get a player sent off. Some leagues are full of that crap but some leagues like the EPL are much tougher and you don't get very much rolling around the floor crying like a baby at all. Where you do get that stuff, its soon dealt with. In England the players and the fans still prefer the more physical side of the game.Those comments are a generalisation and are not relevant to every league that exists. Those guys obviously watch the pussy leagues.


Just like you dont understand the game of hockey, so all we really are is two different places in the world with a lack of knowledge of eachothers countries IMHO and the sports that we watch and love.
 

CopeCOwBoy

Reserve Team
Im American but I also want to know why poeple always refer to everything as American even if its Canadian, lol? Our Countries may be VERY alike but we are definatly not the same country.
 

Falco88

Youth Team
You gotta admit that US Football has gone better in last years, I mean they used to suck very bad in football, just see France 98 stats, last place. But here they are 8 years after that, now they have good players in good european leagues, have a great youth program to increase football popularity, they will be a better team soon, but they will never be as good as Brazil, that will never happen, why? Because countries like Brazil, Argentina or Mexico live football as the most important thing for 90 minutes, in our countries we may not have the money to fancy football academies, but we don't need them since we love football since the day we born, our football stars are born in the streets not in academies, we play football in alleys, streets, shools, parking lots, in everywhere, real football is born in the streets, so as you see you will never love or be as us in football, you will be better, for sure, but never the best.
Football is in our blood, is our scape from reality, is our addiction, we play, live and dream football as you with your sports.
That's all I have to say, good luck against Italy, don't think US will win, but maybe I'm wrong, one can never know.... :ewan:
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
CopeCOwBoy said:
Indeed, and I'll never understand it. I watch soccer and the super slow pace bores me out. And the pansy players ... OMFG ... what is with that?! These guys take a light hit - sometimes they don't even get touched - and they drop to the ground like they got shot by a sniper, grimacing and moaning like 6 year old girls. Seriously ... WTF is with that?

This has actually been a big thing that I've been bitching about this World Cup. I hate how guys are not hurt at all and then are on the ground pretending like their leg is broken. And this was epitomized in my opinion by Iaquinta when he got taken down by Kuffour after the offsides whistle. He knew the play was stopped, so the only way Kuffour would get shown a straight red is if it looked like he caused an injury, and so Iaquinta milked it all the way. Then he got strapped to the stretcher(!) and taken off. He got up after about 5 seconds, took 3 limping steps, and then was completely fine.

And because of people like him, when Koller and Totti went down I was audibly going "oh get up you pussy!!" Faking injuries like that is crying wolf, I'm sure we've all seen a ref motion to a player to get up without any sympathy and the player turned out to be really injured. That should NEVER happen, but it does because of people who cry to draw cards.
 

Titanic

Club Supporter
pede54 said:
Well, like I said to love football you gotta understand it, and those guys sure don't understand the game if thats all they see. I agree football has its fair share of pussies though. Thats because the powers that be, have tried to make the game less physical over the years, resulting in some players using the tougher new laws to win free kicks or get a player sent off. Some leagues are full of that crap but some leagues like the EPL are much tougher and you don't get very much rolling around the floor crying like a baby at all. Where you do get that stuff, its soon dealt with. In England the players and the fans still prefer the more physical side of the game.Those comments are a generalisation and are not relevant to every league that exists. Those guys obviously watch the pussy leagues.

Each to their own I guess. Its all a matter of taste. I wouldn't condemn anyone for prefering one sport over another. Personally nothing for me comes anywhere near football.


I'm not going to try and convince anyone not to love soccer, because I've enjoyed watching the games and the World Cup is great. But the only soccer I watch is the World Cup. You would consider the World Cup to be the premiere example of what the sport should be right? Well it is absolutely full of whiny players diving and acting as if they've been shot to try and win a penalty kick or free kick. I have a hard time believing if it isn't shunned in the World Cup it would be in EPL or Serie A.

As to why Soccer is so much more popular it's a variety of reasons. It's ingrained in the tradition of most countries in the world in a way American football or basketball are not. It's accessible to people of all sizes, whereas if you're short in basketball you have a hard time playing and if you're weak in American football you get hurt. It has a worldwide competetion every four years that draws the world in in a way that the NFL and Basketball do not. There are many reasons soccer is so wildly popular, but that's no reason to act as if the US is a lesser country because we're not among the best in the world at it.

Just because something is the most popular doesn't mean it's the best. The athletes in soccer aren't anywhere near as physically impressive as players in the NFL. For the most part world class soccer players would be someone you wouldn't notice if you saw them on the street if you didn't know they were soccer stars. Players in the NFL or NBA you would notice. Soccer is designed for lean, fit players with outstanding stamina, the NFL and NBA are designed for big, strong, explosive athletes. The NFL and NBA are full of physical freaks, who are in the top .01% of the world when it comes to a size/speed/explosiveness ratio. For example.

Mario Williams: 6 feet 7 inches, 295 lbs, ran the forty yard dash in 4.66 seconds, bench pressed 225lbs 35 times, standing vertical jump of 40.5 inches.

Matt Jones: 6 feet 6 and 1/2 inches, 242 lbs, forty yard dash in 4.39 seconds, 39 inch vertical, standing broad jump of 10'9.

Vernon Davis: 6'3, 248 4.38 forty yard dash, broad jump of 10'8, vertical of 42 inches, bench presses 460 lbs.

Those examples are just from the last two drafts, and those are their college measurables, and all three will add size and strength in the NFL.

It's not as if the USA doesn't have the athletes to succeed at an international level, it's just that they play other sports instead of soccer. If you have anymore doubts go to youtube and watch anything with Reggie Bush in it. If he's not capable of being a world class midfielder or striker I don't know who is. That's what the US is missing. We have some good players, but we don't have any of the elite players like all of the superior teams do. All our Jan Koller's and Ronaldinho's and Michael Essiens are playing in the NFL or NBA. I know when I went to high school(graduated five years ago) the soccer players weren't the guys who were what we would consider the best athletes. They all played football or basketball.

Most people in America just prefer American football to soccer. That doesn't mean either is bad, it just means that they are different. We should be able to enjoy our mediocre national team and hope they get better without being attacked for being so poor at it. The soccer tradition and developmental system here is not even comparable to the national powers, so until that structure is funded and in place and some of our better athletes start playing we won't become a force. What we need to do is throw a bunch of money at Guus Hiddink or some other elite coach, then we can see how far along we really are.

Titanic
 

CopeCOwBoy

Reserve Team
Titanic said:
I'm not going to try and convince anyone not to love soccer, because I've enjoyed watching the games and the World Cup is great. But the only soccer I watch is the World Cup. You would consider the World Cup to be the premiere example of what the sport should be right? Well it is absolutely full of whiny players diving and acting as if they've been shot to try and win a penalty kick or free kick. I have a hard time believing if it isn't shunned in the World Cup it would be in EPL or Serie A.

As to why Soccer is so much more popular it's a variety of reasons. It's ingrained in the tradition of most countries in the world in a way American football or basketball are not. It's accessible to people of all sizes, whereas if you're short in basketball you have a hard time playing and if you're weak in American football you get hurt. It has a worldwide competetion every four years that draws the world in in a way that the NFL and Basketball do not. There are many reasons soccer is so wildly popular, but that's no reason to act as if the US is a lesser country because we're not among the best in the world at it.

Just because something is the most popular doesn't mean it's the best. The athletes in soccer aren't anywhere near as physically impressive as players in the NFL. For the most part world class soccer players would be someone you wouldn't notice if you saw them on the street if you didn't know they were soccer stars. Players in the NFL or NBA you would notice. Soccer is designed for lean, fit players with outstanding stamina, the NFL and NBA are designed for big, strong, explosive athletes. The NFL and NBA are full of physical freaks, who are in the top .01% of the world when it comes to a size/speed/explosiveness ratio. For example.

Mario Williams: 6 feet 7 inches, 295 lbs, ran the forty yard dash in 4.66 seconds, bench pressed 225lbs 35 times, standing vertical jump of 40.5 inches.

Matt Jones: 6 feet 6 and 1/2 inches, 242 lbs, forty yard dash in 4.39 seconds, 39 inch vertical, standing broad jump of 10'9.

Vernon Davis: 6'3, 248 4.38 forty yard dash, broad jump of 10'8, vertical of 42 inches, bench presses 460 lbs.

Those examples are just from the last two drafts, and those are their college measurables, and all three will add size and strength in the NFL.

It's not as if the USA doesn't have the athletes to succeed at an international level, it's just that they play other sports instead of soccer. If you have anymore doubts go to youtube and watch anything with Reggie Bush in it. If he's not capable of being a world class midfielder or striker I don't know who is. That's what the US is missing. We have some good players, but we don't have any of the elite players like all of the superior teams do. All our Jan Koller's and Ronaldinho's and Michael Essiens are playing in the NFL or NBA. I know when I went to high school(graduated five years ago) the soccer players weren't the guys who were what we would consider the best athletes. They all played football or basketball.

Most people in America just prefer American football to soccer. That doesn't mean either is bad, it just means that they are different. We should be able to enjoy our mediocre national team and hope they get better without being attacked for being so poor at it. The soccer tradition and developmental system here is not even comparable to the national powers, so until that structure is funded and in place and some of our better athletes start playing we won't become a force. What we need to do is throw a bunch of money at Guus Hiddink or some other elite coach, then we can see how far along we really are.

Titanic

I love football bro but nfl players are nowheres near the top athletes, yah your QB WE and TE are in perfect shape but a large % of the players arent even comparable to nba or nhl players. about35% of them or more are even overweight.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Titanic said:
It's not as if the USA doesn't have the athletes to succeed at an international level, it's just that they play other sports instead of soccer. If you have anymore doubts go to youtube and watch anything with Reggie Bush in it. If he's not capable of being a world class midfielder or striker I don't know who is. That's what the US is missing. We have some good players, but we don't have any of the elite players like all of the superior teams do. All our Jan Koller's and Ronaldinho's and Michael Essiens are playing in the NFL or NBA. I know when I went to high school(graduated five years ago) the soccer players weren't the guys who were what we would consider the best athletes. They all played football or basketball.

Most people in America just prefer American football to soccer. That doesn't mean either is bad, it just means that they are different. We should be able to enjoy our mediocre national team and hope they get better without being attacked for being so poor at it. The soccer tradition and developmental system here is not even comparable to the national powers, so until that structure is funded and in place and some of our better athletes start playing we won't become a force. What we need to do is throw a bunch of money at Guus Hiddink or some other elite coach, then we can see how far along we really are.

Yes, Reggie Bush does just scream out to me that he has the potential to be a better Eto'o.

My post got deleted, so I'm trying to reproduce what I wrote...

Here's what I think is the problem with us. In order to become world class at anything you need to set a goal and work towards it. Natural ability helps a lot, but even the most physically and mentally gifted player needs the drive to get where he needs to go. In America, a lot of kids set their sights early, for example Mario Williams may have said "I want to be an NFL Defensive End." It's a common goal in our society. However "I want to be a world class right back" is not common. Only a small section of kids are going to have that goal, and a smaller amount are going to have the drive to go after that. But we have a big population, so why doesn't that make up for the overall little interest. Here's my postulation: if you find a kid with the natural ability and the drive to become world class, we don't know how to guide that kid, our coaches don't know what it takes to develop that kid. Even at Bradenton they haven't improved a truely world class player because they don't know how, in other nations they have a long history of training and improving young players, but here the USA Ronaldinho could be stuck in his National Team feeder club without a shot at the youth national team and not improving much, followed by a scholarship to college for four years (where he doesn't improve much aside from his conditioning), and then at least two or three more years in the MLS. Before he gets the shot to truely develop his skill, he's 25 years old. We need to develop from an early age, but we don't know how to do it, and that's our problem.
 

Titanic

Club Supporter
CopeCOwBoy said:
I love football bro but nfl players are nowheres near the top athletes, yah your QB WE and TE are in perfect shape but a large % of the players arent even comparable to nba or nhl players. about35% of them or more are even overweight.

You're kidding right? The best athletes on the field are the defensive ends, linebackers, and running backs, from a pure size/speed/strength view. To play linebacker in the NFL you have to be 6 feet tall, have to weigh 230+ lbs, and have to run sub 4.7. The defensive ends are almost all absolute freaks. Freeney, Kearse, Mario Williams, Julius Peppers, John Abraham, on and on I could go. To play defensive end in the NFL you need the size to anchor against a 320 lb tackle, the speed to get outside and shut down a running back, and the explosiveness to run around blocks. The only guys in the NFL who you could consider overweight are the defensive tackles and some QBs/offensive linemen. For the linemen and defensive tackles that's not because of their lack of conditioning, it's because their job is to be hard to move, and more mass makes that easier, but you still have to be Shifty*ble and be able to accelerate off the line. Quarterbacks can be overweight because primarily their job is to drop back 3-7 steps and throw the ball. Sure by body mass index more might be overweight, but that's because muscle weighs more than fat and it's precisely why they are physical freaks. A 300lb man is not supposed to be athletic, but show me any soccer player who runs a comparable speed, can vertical jump 40+ inches, and bench press 225 lbs 35 times like Mario Williams. They do not exist.

NFL players are what soccer players would be if they ingested 8000 calories a day, lifted weights two hours a day, and focused on developing fast twitch muscles by going from a dead stop to full acceleration 200 times a day. But you can't do that in soccer, because you have to sacrifice strength and explosion for the ability to run nonstop for 45 minutes at a time. Neither athlete is superior, they're just different. Like marathoners soccer players are designed to pace yourself by exerting energy over a long period of time, and like world class sprinters NFL athletes are designed for repeated explosive accelleration over shorter time periods. Personally I prefer the more dynamic, explosive sprinters, but that doesn't mean the marathoners aren't worth watching.

Titanic

PS: Plus in the NFL you get to use your hands, and hit people. And if someone takes a dive you have the option of driving him into the turf on the next play.
 

CopeCOwBoy

Reserve Team
Titanic said:
You're kidding right? The best athletes on the field are the defensive ends, linebackers, and running backs, from a pure size/speed/strength view. To play linebacker in the NFL you have to be 6 feet tall, have to weigh 230+ lbs, and have to run sub 4.7. The defensive ends are almost all absolute freaks. Freeney, Kearse, Mario Williams, Julius Peppers, John Abraham, on and on I could go. To play defensive end in the NFL you need the size to anchor against a 320 lb tackle, the speed to get outside and shut down a running back, and the explosiveness to run around blocks. The only guys in the NFL who you could consider overweight are the defensive tackles and some QBs/offensive linemen. For the linemen and defensive tackles that's not because of their lack of conditioning, it's because their job is to be hard to move, and more mass makes that easier, but you still have to be Shifty*ble and be able to accelerate off the line. Quarterbacks can be overweight because primarily their job is to drop back 3-7 steps and throw the ball. Sure by body mass index more might be overweight, but that's because muscle weighs more than fat and it's precisely why they are physical freaks. A 300lb man is not supposed to be athletic, but show me any soccer player who runs a comparable speed, can vertical jump 40+ inches, and bench press 225 lbs 35 times like Mario Williams. They do not exist.

NFL players are what soccer players would be if they ingested 8000 calories a day, lifted weights two hours a day, and focused on developing fast twitch muscles by going from a dead stop to full acceleration 200 times a day. But you can't do that in soccer, because you have to sacrifice strength and explosion for the ability to run nonstop for 45 minutes at a time. Neither athlete is superior, they're just different. Like marathoners soccer players are designed to pace yourself by exerting energy over a long period of time, and like world class sprinters NFL athletes are designed for repeated explosive accelleration over shorter time periods. Personally I prefer the more dynamic, explosive sprinters, but that doesn't mean the marathoners aren't worth watching.

Titanic

PS: Plus in the NFL you get to use your hands, and hit people. And if someone takes a dive you have the option of driving him into the turf on the next play.


I wasnt comparing them to soccer players.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Kezman8 said:
Maybe soccer will become very popular in the states when America becomes Mexico. :ewan:

Haha, don't worry we're working on a wall. Our country is run by morons and cronies.
 

ShiftyPowers

Make America Great Again
Titanic said:
A 300lb man is not supposed to be athletic, but show me any soccer player who runs a comparable speed, can vertical jump 40+ inches, and bench press 225 lbs 35 times like Mario Williams. They do not exist.

Well, there's really no need for a soccer player to have the strength to bench 225 even once. And if you've seen Pele's goal from 1970 against Italy you'd probably agree with me that he was pushing a 50 inch vertical. And he probably ran somewhere in the 4.3s at his peak, maybe high 4.2s.
 


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