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The England National team thread
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F*cking BarwickBenBeckham
Reserve Team
and another Defender injuried... King (how serious remains to be seen)
During this Season
Campbell turns AWOL, looses his place and is injuried
Terry is doing more saves than Czech with his hands - looks way short of his fantastic last year
Ferdinand has his usual lapses where he f*cks up
Woodgate definetley spends more time on the treatment table than on the pitch (does he love nurses or what?!)
now King is injuried (how serious remains to be seen) after having a good season
Young is probably out of the World Cup anyway
Bridge was/is injuried, finally getting some games at Fulham
Ash Cole hasn't kicked a ball in months
G.Nev has been injuried a long time aswell this season - at least he's back to his form now
so it's only Carragher (who only looks good for Liverpool so far) which has been saved from an injury or form crisis this year so far...
During this Season
Campbell turns AWOL, looses his place and is injuried
Terry is doing more saves than Czech with his hands - looks way short of his fantastic last year
Ferdinand has his usual lapses where he f*cks up
Woodgate definetley spends more time on the treatment table than on the pitch (does he love nurses or what?!)
now King is injuried (how serious remains to be seen) after having a good season
Young is probably out of the World Cup anyway
Bridge was/is injuried, finally getting some games at Fulham
Ash Cole hasn't kicked a ball in months
G.Nev has been injuried a long time aswell this season - at least he's back to his form now
so it's only Carragher (who only looks good for Liverpool so far) which has been saved from an injury or form crisis this year so far...
Thelonious
Senior Squad
King might still make the world cup , he'll only be a squad player so not a huge blow. But out of our normal starting defenders only Neville and Ferdinand have shown any form , I'm not a fan of Terry , he's overated , hopefully ashley cole and sol campbell will get some games before the world cup otherwise our defence is ****ed. Also Lampard has had an average season and Owen still isn't playing so at this moment in time I don't think we have a chance in the world cup.
Are you serious?.....John Terry is having a great season. Overated? You have got to be kidding me. Terry is the most accomplished center back in the world man. This aint bias either. You only have to listen to all the plaudits he gets from his fellow proffessionals and just about anyone else who's opinions mean something.
Sol Campbell will be fit and fantastic by the time the World Cup comes around. Ashley Cole will also play like he hasn't missed a match all season. Ferdinand, i agree is a little complacent sometimes which is why Sol should be first choice. Neville is playing some fantastic football as usual, so he aint a worry at all.
Lampards season average?......15 goals in the league, 2 in the FA Cup and 2 in Europe. Thats not average for a midfield player. Thats more goals than Rooney has scored this season.
As for the Manager elect. How can anyone consider 2 losers like Curbishly and Alladyce? WTF have they ever ever done. They have always kept their teams mid table, and never won squat. I wont even think about Mclaren at all. If the FA choose Curbishly or Alladyce, we are definately f.u.c.ked for sure. We won't even qualify for Euro 2008, you watch.
There is no English manager good enough for the job. Thats a fact. The FA are only doing this because it will be the cheap thing to do. At the end of the day, you get what you pay for and we are gonna be so so sorry if either of those non - achievers get the job. Who the f.u.ck cares really if the coach aint English. That is so narrow minded.
England are gonna do well in the World Cup. No need at all for pessimism.
Sol Campbell will be fit and fantastic by the time the World Cup comes around. Ashley Cole will also play like he hasn't missed a match all season. Ferdinand, i agree is a little complacent sometimes which is why Sol should be first choice. Neville is playing some fantastic football as usual, so he aint a worry at all.
Lampards season average?......15 goals in the league, 2 in the FA Cup and 2 in Europe. Thats not average for a midfield player. Thats more goals than Rooney has scored this season.
As for the Manager elect. How can anyone consider 2 losers like Curbishly and Alladyce? WTF have they ever ever done. They have always kept their teams mid table, and never won squat. I wont even think about Mclaren at all. If the FA choose Curbishly or Alladyce, we are definately f.u.c.ked for sure. We won't even qualify for Euro 2008, you watch.
There is no English manager good enough for the job. Thats a fact. The FA are only doing this because it will be the cheap thing to do. At the end of the day, you get what you pay for and we are gonna be so so sorry if either of those non - achievers get the job. Who the f.u.ck cares really if the coach aint English. That is so narrow minded.
England are gonna do well in the World Cup. No need at all for pessimism.
SlowSilver
Fan Favourite
Actually Rooney has scored 19 goals this season (including the 2 he's got now) 17 in the Prem, which is more than Lampard has in all competitions I believe.
Rooney scored 2 goals today, after i posted. Actually, this season Rooney has scored. 16 in the EPL ( one more than Lampard), but dont forget , we also play today. Rooney has 2 goals in the League cup and 1 goal in Europe. Thats 19 goals all in.
Lampard has so far scored 15 in the EPL, 2 in Europe and 2 in the FA Cup. That is also 19 goals in total. So at this moment both goal tallies for the season are equal.
Lampard has so far scored 15 in the EPL, 2 in Europe and 2 in the FA Cup. That is also 19 goals in total. So at this moment both goal tallies for the season are equal.
Xifio, does it matter mate? The FA are gonna give the job to either of those 2 tossers anyway. To be honest, if i could wave a magic wand i would just keep Sven. His record in charge of England is outstanding. Sure we haven't won anything but, so what else is new. Hiddink would have been interesting though. Never did fancy Scolari as manager.
We have had endless English managers. incompetant people like, Don Revie, GrahamTaylor, Kevin Keegan, Glenn Hoddle and the biggest pratt of all time, Howard Wilkinson. We have had better English managers in charge as well like, Venables and Robson. Allardyce and Curbishly will , as time goes on, be grouped together with the first set of names. They have no "spark". They have very dour personalities and that will be reflected in how badly England will do under either of these men.
If its so important to have an Englishman in charge. Why not go for Pardue or even Paul Jewell of Wigan. At least these 2 guys have got teams promoted and maintained a good level of football in the EPL. They have at least achieved something. The other 2 have never even done that.
We have had endless English managers. incompetant people like, Don Revie, GrahamTaylor, Kevin Keegan, Glenn Hoddle and the biggest pratt of all time, Howard Wilkinson. We have had better English managers in charge as well like, Venables and Robson. Allardyce and Curbishly will , as time goes on, be grouped together with the first set of names. They have no "spark". They have very dour personalities and that will be reflected in how badly England will do under either of these men.
If its so important to have an Englishman in charge. Why not go for Pardue or even Paul Jewell of Wigan. At least these 2 guys have got teams promoted and maintained a good level of football in the EPL. They have at least achieved something. The other 2 have never even done that.
Has anyone ever considered Peter Taylor who coaches/ed the under-21s? i know he's not very high profile but the Under-21s were flying with him in charge. He's proven at that level and didn't do that bad when he temporarily stepped in beforehand.
I suppose Mclaren would be the safest bet as he actually has european experience with both boro and assistant manager at United.
I suppose Mclaren would be the safest bet as he actually has european experience with both boro and assistant manager at United.
SlowSilver
Fan Favourite
Alright Pede, you win, Lampard scores again 
He sure did Slowsilver......... 
Peter Taylor is a good shout Dazmania. He would probably be my first choice because he IS at least a success as an International manager, even if it is at under 21 level. He has bags more experience than both Curbishly and Alladyce combined. I didn't mention the guy because as you say, he is an unfashionable choice and the FA are much too stupid to give it to him.
Mclarens European experience is 3 or 4 matches only, an i dont think you can count his time at United as anything special either. You gotta judge him on what he has done since he took over at Middlesboro, and frankly that dont amount to a lot. He has got some class players at the boro too so, he has no excuses. He is just clueless. I really fear for the England team once Sven goes, i really do.
Peter Taylor is a good shout Dazmania. He would probably be my first choice because he IS at least a success as an International manager, even if it is at under 21 level. He has bags more experience than both Curbishly and Alladyce combined. I didn't mention the guy because as you say, he is an unfashionable choice and the FA are much too stupid to give it to him.
Mclarens European experience is 3 or 4 matches only, an i dont think you can count his time at United as anything special either. You gotta judge him on what he has done since he took over at Middlesboro, and frankly that dont amount to a lot. He has got some class players at the boro too so, he has no excuses. He is just clueless. I really fear for the England team once Sven goes, i really do.
Here's the link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/4915338.stm
pede54 said:He sure did Slowsilver.........
Peter Taylor is a good shout Dazmania. He would probably be my first choice because he IS at least a success as an International manager, even if it is at under 21 level. He has bags more experience than both Curbishly and Alladyce combined. I didn't mention the guy because as you say, he is an unfashionable choice and the FA are much too stupid to give it to him.
Mclarens European experience is 3 or 4 matches only, an i dont think you can count his time at United as anything special either. You gotta judge him on what he has done since he took over at Middlesboro, and frankly that dont amount to a lot. He has got some class players at the boro too so, he has no excuses. He is just clueless. I really fear for the England team once Sven goes, i really do.
I agree with you on Peter Taylor and i like your optimism for the world cup but i don't really think it's fair to call Mclaren clueless. I think he's still got a lot to learn and tbh i wouldn't really like him as England Coach just yet, but i think that in future years he could be a very good choice. He's done wanders for 'boro and surely his experiences as SAF's right hand man must count for something.
BenBeckham
Reserve Team
No Bramble - but Steven Taylor - the class young CB from Newcastle... 
Terry is not overrated imo, but this season he has not been as perfect as last season - but seriously who is...
There is no English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish, UK, British (to include all and really all) Managers - who is willing to take the Job or is good enough.
Hiddink, Scolari, Hitzfeld and Co = Fantastic Managers but they won't get the job sadly.
As for Sven - If I'd been in charge I'd have keept him - competitive record fantastic (almost second to none).
Eventough he hasn't found the "perfect XI" he's been great - the thing is there isn't just one XI - it's all based on opinions and around 60 M English Folks + a few crazy "Europeans and Global" fans will know better than him anyway.
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Let's hope King does allright and no further players get injuried between now and the World Cup. England will have a good chance of doing well and with a liitle luck even alltheway.
Terry is not overrated imo, but this season he has not been as perfect as last season - but seriously who is...
There is no English, Welsh, Scottish or Irish, UK, British (to include all and really all) Managers - who is willing to take the Job or is good enough.
Hiddink, Scolari, Hitzfeld and Co = Fantastic Managers but they won't get the job sadly.
As for Sven - If I'd been in charge I'd have keept him - competitive record fantastic (almost second to none).
Eventough he hasn't found the "perfect XI" he's been great - the thing is there isn't just one XI - it's all based on opinions and around 60 M English Folks + a few crazy "Europeans and Global" fans will know better than him anyway.
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Let's hope King does allright and no further players get injuried between now and the World Cup. England will have a good chance of doing well and with a liitle luck even alltheway.
Pogba4Now
Team Captain
C'mon man Alardyce and Curbishley are not managing Manchester United or Chelsea and what do you expect them to win with Bolton and Charlton? The epl or the FA cup? I think Alardyce has made a great job from promoting Bolton and bringing them 6th on the league in 3 seasons. Alardyce would be the best between the two but yet again Alardyce lack experience on the big stagepede54 said:
Maybe. I just don't want them to gain that experience to the detriment of the England team. You may ask how are they supposed to get that experience. My answer would be, I dont give a f.u.ck as long as its not with England. Thats why we need a coach/ manager thats already been there and done it. We already gave a chance to inexperienced coaches ( Keegan, Hoddle) and look where that got us.
As for Alladyce. His Bolton have not done bad but look at their style for gods sake. They have equalled Blackburn as the dirty team of the EPL. They have some good players but they rely on the physical approach too much. Without that, they would finish a lot lower in the league than they do.
Anyway, these are mute points because the stupid ass FA is gonna give one of them the job. Maybe you dont remember the Graham Taylor years. I do, and it was a painful 3 years until he was chucked out.Then for the next five years we get Hoddle, Wilkinson and Keegan. Dire crappy times as an England fan i can tell you.
Personally i've had my fill of mediocre English coaches, practicing mediocre English football. I want more than that from the England team.
As for Alladyce. His Bolton have not done bad but look at their style for gods sake. They have equalled Blackburn as the dirty team of the EPL. They have some good players but they rely on the physical approach too much. Without that, they would finish a lot lower in the league than they do.
Anyway, these are mute points because the stupid ass FA is gonna give one of them the job. Maybe you dont remember the Graham Taylor years. I do, and it was a painful 3 years until he was chucked out.Then for the next five years we get Hoddle, Wilkinson and Keegan. Dire crappy times as an England fan i can tell you.
Personally i've had my fill of mediocre English coaches, practicing mediocre English football. I want more than that from the England team.