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damn I missed the game 
As I said in the beggining of the season, the departures of Deco and P. Ferreira would be acceptable... but Ricardo Carvalho was the life preserver in last year's team.
It will take a while till they get back to their winning ways so we must take our chance before they gel.
As I said in the beggining of the season, the departures of Deco and P. Ferreira would be acceptable... but Ricardo Carvalho was the life preserver in last year's team.
It will take a while till they get back to their winning ways so we must take our chance before they gel.
Well, I just got home after going to the match and having dinner with some friends discussing the team's performance. There's nothing like watching the guys live to see how the team works. So first, I'll do a simple "one by one" analysis to the players, and then to the team overall:
Baía: Could do nothing at all in the goals.
Seitaridis: Man of the Match IMHO. He's simply amazing with his runs. Has an incredible positioning skill. Tackles well too. He supported the attack all the way to the crossing zones. In the first half he did the right flank all by himself (Hugo Leal was supposed to be there too
), untill Fernandez told Maniche to run that midfield zone. (I can't believe that some people already told me that the TV commentators said he was not good... man, those guys don't know how to watch a game in the stadium. One thing is loking on the tv and other is to be there and pay attention to what a player does. And Giourkas can do a lot!!)
Areias: We all know he isn't much skilled.. Like I use to say to my friends: He has two bricks in his feet... but he works hard, gives all he's got and today made some good attacking moves. Can't blame him at all for the teams poor performance!
Pedro Emanuel: I always liked this guy. He's the teams boss back there. IMO he has to be in the starting eleven with Jorge Costa, although they are similar defenders (not the classical "one guy for hard jobs, the other for the running"). But he seemed nervous today. No blame at all in the goals but he was never able to start the offensive game from his zone.
Pepe: Overhyped kid. All his fault in the first goal, and a stupid positioning that made him do the foul to the second Estoril goal. I don't like him and I think he would work much better as a DM. He had some incredibly stupid positioning moves in the second half, and off the ball he does absolutely nothing.
Costinha: I have a lot of respect for him. He worked hard, got a lot of loose balls, runned like a madman in the field. Didn't desearve the draw.
Maniche: He's the best Porto player by far. Runs the 90 minutes, doesn't make a bad pass, opens space for the guys in front, helps Costinha whenever he can. 2nd best man on field tonight.
Hugo Leal: He played???? I won't even commentate his 45 minutes on field...
Carlos Alberto: Sometime ago, I criticised Cristiano Ronaldo (and still do) about his selfishness. Then someone in this forum accused me that I wouldn't say that if it was a Porto player. I said I would, and here's the proof (and wait until I get to Quaresma....). Alberto doesn't know what team game is. He can't receive a proper pass (that's bad form... last year he was great with his backs to the box), and never looks before making a pass. He lost some very stupid balls that gave Estoril the chance make some dangerous attacks. He also isn't a Nº10. He needs to play behind a lonely striker, acting as a fake 2nd striker, creating runs and space for the striker. He has no space in this team, and needs to sit in the bench of the B team for a while, watching the kids play like a team.
Postiga: He tried. Really, he doesn't desearve to hear the crown boohing at him. He tries hard, but he simply isn't in shape now. He'll be great during the season... i bet.
Fabiano: What a good surprise
He's working with the team for a few weeks and already can make team play. He has great positioning, antecipation skills, heading and instinct. There were always 2 guys marking him and he felt the need to go back, take the game from behind and use te lines. He's really going to be "Fabuloso" One of the best tonight!!
Quaresma: here it goes: LEARN TO PLAY FOOTBALL YOU FRICKING KID! Run when the team doesn't have the ball for ******* sake!! He simply sits in the line waiting for a pass, then he sticks his ******* head in the ground and throws the ball randomly into the box. He's pathetic! I really hope Fernandez can teach him. He has raw talent there... but he simply doesn't know how to use it!
Derlei: Not his night. Run, fighted a lot like usual, gained several 2nd balls, used the line very well, worked as an AMC several times! But tonight was not his night. He's lacking confidence but I'm sure he'll get it soon.
Benni: In his few minutes he worked well within the defenders, and had a deflected header by Derlei that seemed to be directed to the net (I was with SuperDragões in the stands... behind the net.)
Now the team:
It's concerning really. One simple example of how the team lost confidence on itself is the fact that last year (and two years ago) I loved to see the throw in's. We never, NEVER lost a ball in those situations. There was always a studied move. Now there's nothing... The team doesn't know how to use the lines, the midfield is overcrowded and the players lack confidence. The defense looks nervous (I would too if Pepe was in my team...), and the space between the CD and the right/left backs is not well occupied. The players don't know who should get to the ball...
In the midfield, Carlos Alberto and Hugo Leal are two players that don't work. They can't be starters anymore, period. And the front guys spent 90% of the game without receiving a propper pass from the midfield. This way is not easy to score... There are severe positioning problems in the attacking moves: there is nobody able to make surprise "desmarcações" (can't remember the damn word). The free kicks are ridiculous (they spent the week training them said the papers... now that's a surprise to me....).
There, I'm tired, in need to sleep, so excuse me the spellings and the grammar :P
Boy, do I feel relieved after a post like this
BTW, Estoril is a really weeeeak team...
Baía: Could do nothing at all in the goals.
Seitaridis: Man of the Match IMHO. He's simply amazing with his runs. Has an incredible positioning skill. Tackles well too. He supported the attack all the way to the crossing zones. In the first half he did the right flank all by himself (Hugo Leal was supposed to be there too
), untill Fernandez told Maniche to run that midfield zone. (I can't believe that some people already told me that the TV commentators said he was not good... man, those guys don't know how to watch a game in the stadium. One thing is loking on the tv and other is to be there and pay attention to what a player does. And Giourkas can do a lot!!)Areias: We all know he isn't much skilled.. Like I use to say to my friends: He has two bricks in his feet... but he works hard, gives all he's got and today made some good attacking moves. Can't blame him at all for the teams poor performance!
Pedro Emanuel: I always liked this guy. He's the teams boss back there. IMO he has to be in the starting eleven with Jorge Costa, although they are similar defenders (not the classical "one guy for hard jobs, the other for the running"). But he seemed nervous today. No blame at all in the goals but he was never able to start the offensive game from his zone.
Pepe: Overhyped kid. All his fault in the first goal, and a stupid positioning that made him do the foul to the second Estoril goal. I don't like him and I think he would work much better as a DM. He had some incredibly stupid positioning moves in the second half, and off the ball he does absolutely nothing.
Costinha: I have a lot of respect for him. He worked hard, got a lot of loose balls, runned like a madman in the field. Didn't desearve the draw.
Maniche: He's the best Porto player by far. Runs the 90 minutes, doesn't make a bad pass, opens space for the guys in front, helps Costinha whenever he can. 2nd best man on field tonight.
Hugo Leal: He played???? I won't even commentate his 45 minutes on field...
Carlos Alberto: Sometime ago, I criticised Cristiano Ronaldo (and still do) about his selfishness. Then someone in this forum accused me that I wouldn't say that if it was a Porto player. I said I would, and here's the proof (and wait until I get to Quaresma....). Alberto doesn't know what team game is. He can't receive a proper pass (that's bad form... last year he was great with his backs to the box), and never looks before making a pass. He lost some very stupid balls that gave Estoril the chance make some dangerous attacks. He also isn't a Nº10. He needs to play behind a lonely striker, acting as a fake 2nd striker, creating runs and space for the striker. He has no space in this team, and needs to sit in the bench of the B team for a while, watching the kids play like a team.
Postiga: He tried. Really, he doesn't desearve to hear the crown boohing at him. He tries hard, but he simply isn't in shape now. He'll be great during the season... i bet.
Fabiano: What a good surprise
He's working with the team for a few weeks and already can make team play. He has great positioning, antecipation skills, heading and instinct. There were always 2 guys marking him and he felt the need to go back, take the game from behind and use te lines. He's really going to be "Fabuloso" One of the best tonight!!Quaresma: here it goes: LEARN TO PLAY FOOTBALL YOU FRICKING KID! Run when the team doesn't have the ball for ******* sake!! He simply sits in the line waiting for a pass, then he sticks his ******* head in the ground and throws the ball randomly into the box. He's pathetic! I really hope Fernandez can teach him. He has raw talent there... but he simply doesn't know how to use it!
Derlei: Not his night. Run, fighted a lot like usual, gained several 2nd balls, used the line very well, worked as an AMC several times! But tonight was not his night. He's lacking confidence but I'm sure he'll get it soon.
Benni: In his few minutes he worked well within the defenders, and had a deflected header by Derlei that seemed to be directed to the net (I was with SuperDragões in the stands... behind the net.)
Now the team:
It's concerning really. One simple example of how the team lost confidence on itself is the fact that last year (and two years ago) I loved to see the throw in's. We never, NEVER lost a ball in those situations. There was always a studied move. Now there's nothing... The team doesn't know how to use the lines, the midfield is overcrowded and the players lack confidence. The defense looks nervous (I would too if Pepe was in my team...), and the space between the CD and the right/left backs is not well occupied. The players don't know who should get to the ball...
In the midfield, Carlos Alberto and Hugo Leal are two players that don't work. They can't be starters anymore, period. And the front guys spent 90% of the game without receiving a propper pass from the midfield. This way is not easy to score... There are severe positioning problems in the attacking moves: there is nobody able to make surprise "desmarcações" (can't remember the damn word
). The free kicks are ridiculous (they spent the week training them said the papers... now that's a surprise to me....).There, I'm tired, in need to sleep, so excuse me the spellings and the grammar :P
Boy, do I feel relieved after a post like this
BTW, Estoril is a really weeeeak team...
Paulo Da Silva
Starting XI
wow we played bad again. This is a concern. but we have to llok at the positives. For the first time this season Fernandez fina;;y will have the whole team together. I expect better results. We better and MUST beat Leiria.
Fabiano scored, good!!!!
Benni continues to play well. gets chances to score!!!!
Postiga works hard and now Derlei is back. Let's hope we can start to score goals!!!
Fabiano scored, good!!!!
Benni continues to play well. gets chances to score!!!!
Postiga works hard and now Derlei is back. Let's hope we can start to score goals!!!
sl benfica
Reserve Team
Someone shot DiasDaCunha
Now he thinks Benfica and refs are working together. We have not even had 1 bad call go in our favor this season. But LFV had a good answer.
Has for FCP they will get better, for all we know they can will the next 10 games, it's just the players have to learn to pass to each other too many "I can score by myself attitudes".
Now he thinks Benfica and refs are working together. We have not even had 1 bad call go in our favor this season. But LFV had a good answer.
Has for FCP they will get better, for all we know they can will the next 10 games, it's just the players have to learn to pass to each other too many "I can score by myself attitudes".
My analysis to what happened yesterday:
-Porto players are still not confident and the team is still not working very well because of that and some "falta de entrosamento"...
-We need a victory! I bet when that happens we'll play much better and we'll have much more confidence.
-There's still some mistakes in the lineups made my Fernandez, Hugo Leal instead of Diego?!
-Finally the luck, we were unlucky against CSKA and last night we missed even more, that can't happen in a team like Porto, Estoril had something like 4 shots and scored 2... we can't allow that anymore... not to mention we even missed a PK!
After this i have to say our problem is now more psycological (sp?), we can't miss so much goals... i think we'll improve and better times will come for us, it's probably just a matter of time and i hope we improve cause we need victories, right NOW! We must beat Leiria to gain some confidence.
-Porto players are still not confident and the team is still not working very well because of that and some "falta de entrosamento"...
-We need a victory! I bet when that happens we'll play much better and we'll have much more confidence.
-There's still some mistakes in the lineups made my Fernandez, Hugo Leal instead of Diego?!
-Finally the luck, we were unlucky against CSKA and last night we missed even more, that can't happen in a team like Porto, Estoril had something like 4 shots and scored 2... we can't allow that anymore... not to mention we even missed a PK!
After this i have to say our problem is now more psycological (sp?), we can't miss so much goals... i think we'll improve and better times will come for us, it's probably just a matter of time and i hope we improve cause we need victories, right NOW! We must beat Leiria to gain some confidence.
are you serious? he was one of the worsts of the team only beated by Hugo Leal. he is the big guilty in the first goal of Estoril and never helped the team when needed. How many crosses took Seitaridis? how many balls recovered Seitaridis? MoM?
MoM was Jorge and the best Porto player was Maniche for sure.BTW where was Diego? the new magician?
To me it sounds like those Greek players play very well at their NT, but as individuals they're pretty average or decent at most. Seitaridis may be an exception, but atm he has to prove it.
Just look at those guys now, Charisteas is on the bench for Bremen, Zagorakis is at Bologna and he's having pretty average display not to mention his side is at the bottom of the table, and Seitaridis from what i've seen isnt the shadow of the player he was at the Euro.
Just look at those guys now, Charisteas is on the bench for Bremen, Zagorakis is at Bologna and he's having pretty average display not to mention his side is at the bottom of the table, and Seitaridis from what i've seen isnt the shadow of the player he was at the Euro.
RuiCosta_10
Starting XI
I like Seitaridis... He could've been guilty in Estoril's first goal... but apart from that() he played very well IMHO...
But Grunger is right in his words... with one or two exceptions Greeks are only good in their NT... mainly because the game of Greece is based on team work game, it's not dependent of individualists that make dribles, high-runnings or great shots...
And outside the NT, they are normal players... nothing more than that...
) he played very well IMHO...But Grunger is right in his words... with one or two exceptions Greeks are only good in their NT... mainly because the game of Greece is based on team work game, it's not dependent of individualists that make dribles, high-runnings or great shots...
And outside the NT, they are normal players... nothing more than that...
RuiCosta_10
Starting XI
Originally posted by Funky--K
talk about overrated players...
portugal's offensive future is based on mature players like Ronaldo, Lourenço or Hugo Almeida, not those prima donnas
Postiga is not overrated... He just need to recover from one horrible year in England IMO... if he does he will be great as he was in Porto first year...
Quaresma is not overrated too... Just a kid with the "mania que é craque"
While he doesn't understand that a team can only win games with "Team Work" he will not go anywhere... But he has the capacities, they just need to be well explored.
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Min
I still think highly of Postiga, the year at Tottenham was very bad for his career and development, but with time I think he'll reach his full potential.
Quaresma I really think is a lost cause, his attitude and the fact that he's very lazy will get him nowhere. I think he'll be one of those players we talk about in 5 or 6 years about his wasted talent Maybe with a coach like Ferguson or Mourinho he might change, but not now..
Quaresma I really think is a lost cause, his attitude and the fact that he's very lazy will get him nowhere. I think he'll be one of those players we talk about in 5 or 6 years about his wasted talent
Maybe with a coach like Ferguson or Mourinho he might change, but not now..When I said MoM was for the Porto side. Obvioulsy Jorge was the MoM!!Originally posted by Punkt
are you serious? he was one of the worsts of the team only beated by Hugo Leal. he is the big guilty in the first goal of Estoril and never helped the team when needed. How many crosses took Seitaridis? how many balls recovered Seitaridis? MoM?
And really, you need to watch Giourkas playing live. And in the first goal it's not his fault at all. Pepe was the one leaving N'dyaie (speliing??) alone in front of Baía. What a stupid tackle he tried to do... it's one of those errors he used to do when on Maritimo team...
Seitaridis made some good crosses, tackles, great runs (sometimes he was completely alone in the right line!), and even tried to shoot. He made the full second half acting as a right winger, not a defender!
Believe me, It's a huge difference watching the games on TV and being in the Stadium watching him live!! He was the best Porto player, period. And Maniche was behind him.