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FIFAplayer, I came from the same school of footballing gaming as you did with KO2 being me 'tipple' of choice for years.
Then I started playing FIFA, it was good fun for a limited time (until you figured out how to score then it would be 5-0 easily). Played many incarnations of FIFA and found it lasted about 2 weeks then when Jaap Stam could go steaming, twisting and turning on the ball from his own area down the pitch in as near a straight line as possible before beating the keeper I just lost interest. The challenge was minimal and the game quickly started picking up dust.
A few years later, and a couple of attempts at newer FIFA games later, I got a ps2, and the intention was to have a go at FIFA, having never heard of ISS. But a trip down the video rental store I saw that ISS was the only footy game available at that time so I thought I'd give it a go.
I put it on, and wasn't too fussed but it was challenging. So I put it on again, and before I knew it I liked it more than FIFA.
November 2001 PES is released and I play it regularly until October 2002 and PES2. Same again, regular play, and I don't mean once a week I mean a few times a week for a year, until the release of PES3, which completely blew PES2 out of the water!!!
In the meantime I'd visited a friend who had FIFA 2003 and thought I'd give it a go, see how it's changed since I'd turned to the PES-side. Sure enough, it hadn't changed much. Graphically it had but the gameplay was inherantly it's unchallenging self, with 2 players game yielding 5 goals a game for a single team easily. 2 players of PES between my brother and myself were constant thrillers with extra-time being an almost ever present and 90mins were usually 2-2 at best. Not your FIFA commonplace 5-0+.
I'm not bad-mouthing anyone that would rather play FIFA, it's their choice and if it's what they prefer then let them play. I prefer PES by a mile. I doubt if I will give FIFA2004 a go though, unless a friend has it and wants to have a quick go. If that happens I'll give it a fair go, but I don't expect anything different to what FIFA has been since 1997 when the only change happened in the game.
Then I started playing FIFA, it was good fun for a limited time (until you figured out how to score then it would be 5-0 easily). Played many incarnations of FIFA and found it lasted about 2 weeks then when Jaap Stam could go steaming, twisting and turning on the ball from his own area down the pitch in as near a straight line as possible before beating the keeper I just lost interest. The challenge was minimal and the game quickly started picking up dust.
A few years later, and a couple of attempts at newer FIFA games later, I got a ps2, and the intention was to have a go at FIFA, having never heard of ISS. But a trip down the video rental store I saw that ISS was the only footy game available at that time so I thought I'd give it a go.
I put it on, and wasn't too fussed but it was challenging. So I put it on again, and before I knew it I liked it more than FIFA.
November 2001 PES is released and I play it regularly until October 2002 and PES2. Same again, regular play, and I don't mean once a week I mean a few times a week for a year, until the release of PES3, which completely blew PES2 out of the water!!!
In the meantime I'd visited a friend who had FIFA 2003 and thought I'd give it a go, see how it's changed since I'd turned to the PES-side. Sure enough, it hadn't changed much. Graphically it had but the gameplay was inherantly it's unchallenging self, with 2 players game yielding 5 goals a game for a single team easily. 2 players of PES between my brother and myself were constant thrillers with extra-time being an almost ever present and 90mins were usually 2-2 at best. Not your FIFA commonplace 5-0+.
I'm not bad-mouthing anyone that would rather play FIFA, it's their choice and if it's what they prefer then let them play. I prefer PES by a mile. I doubt if I will give FIFA2004 a go though, unless a friend has it and wants to have a quick go. If that happens I'll give it a fair go, but I don't expect anything different to what FIFA has been since 1997 when the only change happened in the game.
I'd add to my previous post that I didn't switch to playing FIFA as such as I'd still play KO2 for a more challenging fix of football.
Also that with PES3 coming out for the PC it could be that FIFA's dominance will be lessened further as PES becomes more accessible. If that is the case, and I'd expect Konami to be more willing to fork out more cash to get more licenses and more licensed up-to-date teams.
I kind of like the idea that it's us against the world as far as PES goes, in some sort of selfish notion, and that's part of the fun of it. I would like real kits and such, but it's not that important to me, as long as Seabass and co keep making the same sort of game showing that football obviously means the same to them as it does all of us PES fans,
I like it that in PES3 when you mess up a pass in defense which goes straight to the opposition and as they head towards goal you still cling to a hope that the keeper could save it. In FIFA, if someone is making for a certain spot on the pitch you know they've scored.
I like goal-mouth scrambles from a corner with you frantically trying to clear the ball, your keeper parrying a shot which luckily falls into your path for a clearance or even into the oppositions path for a simple tap in.
It's good that when you are bearing down on the oppositions goalie, you feel that you still have work to do other than getting to that pre-determined scoring spot.
Scored a stunner the other day that had me jumping out of my seat. Minanda strikes a free kick into the wall and the ball rebounds to the top corner of the area about 5yrd from the area as I'm shooting to the right. A moment of disappointment is quickly transformed into a moment of surprised achievement as Djemba turns up and, in a 'just shoot it moment', he leaps and volleys the ball, left footed back at goal. It archs over David James' desparate dive as it seems he feels the danger was over and the net bulges. Sweet as...
A goals thread may be in order...
Also that with PES3 coming out for the PC it could be that FIFA's dominance will be lessened further as PES becomes more accessible. If that is the case, and I'd expect Konami to be more willing to fork out more cash to get more licenses and more licensed up-to-date teams.
I kind of like the idea that it's us against the world as far as PES goes, in some sort of selfish notion, and that's part of the fun of it. I would like real kits and such, but it's not that important to me, as long as Seabass and co keep making the same sort of game showing that football obviously means the same to them as it does all of us PES fans,
I like it that in PES3 when you mess up a pass in defense which goes straight to the opposition and as they head towards goal you still cling to a hope that the keeper could save it. In FIFA, if someone is making for a certain spot on the pitch you know they've scored.
I like goal-mouth scrambles from a corner with you frantically trying to clear the ball, your keeper parrying a shot which luckily falls into your path for a clearance or even into the oppositions path for a simple tap in.
It's good that when you are bearing down on the oppositions goalie, you feel that you still have work to do other than getting to that pre-determined scoring spot.
Scored a stunner the other day that had me jumping out of my seat. Minanda strikes a free kick into the wall and the ball rebounds to the top corner of the area about 5yrd from the area as I'm shooting to the right. A moment of disappointment is quickly transformed into a moment of surprised achievement as Djemba turns up and, in a 'just shoot it moment', he leaps and volleys the ball, left footed back at goal. It archs over David James' desparate dive as it seems he feels the danger was over and the net bulges. Sweet as...
A goals thread may be in order...
Just to point out a fact, the past versions of PES1 and 2, have always been an watered down version of the japanese game Winning Eleven known also as WE. This year they have decided to make a exact port changing only the menus and announcers to english.
In the past no one that played WE would play PES, they rather play using japs menus and wait for a translation patch than to play PES, because it was an easier version of the game. This year they are identical
Also Monkee you should check out the announcer in the Jap version as he is 1000x better than the on found on PES3 for PS2
I have played pc football since international soccer on commodore 64 and console football since PSone!
PES3 on PC is what I have been waiting for for 3 years + now. GAmeplay and feel is outstanding, we all know that.
FIFA 2004 has improved, but you still get that scripted feel to shooting and movement. Its not about pure fluidity, its the feel of the game etc.
However, the licenses and atmosphere on FIFA is brilliant, a hybrid of PES3 game with FIFA licenses, kits, stadiums and sound would be and is utopia.
PES3 on PC is what I have been waiting for for 3 years + now. GAmeplay and feel is outstanding, we all know that.
FIFA 2004 has improved, but you still get that scripted feel to shooting and movement. Its not about pure fluidity, its the feel of the game etc.
However, the licenses and atmosphere on FIFA is brilliant, a hybrid of PES3 game with FIFA licenses, kits, stadiums and sound would be and is utopia.
Thought so.Originally posted by Liternit
Just to point out a fact, the past versions of PES1 and 2, have always been an watered down version of the japanese game Winning Eleven known also as WE. This year they have decided to make a exact port changing only the menus and announcers to english.
In the past no one that played WE would play PES, they rather play using japs menus and wait for a translation patch than to play PES, because it was an easier version of the game. This year they are identical
Not too bothered about the commentary and find Brackley and Brooking quite amusing. I would give it a go however but, for the same reason I didn't play WE, I don't fancy chipping my ps2.
Glad that PES3 and WE7 are identical in all but commentary from what you and others have been saying on the boards.I'll give it a go if it's around somewhere and I'm not going to pre-judge it or anything, or say that it's rubbish (as I may have implied in my earlier post without intention) but I'm not going to go out and actively seek to try it out.
Just wait till someone like wedoit makes a patch for the PC version, there is nothing like playing in the champions league against Milan, Juve, RM, Manu and many others. The atmosphere is great, it fells like you are really there. And the goals you get to score are just awesome.
Like one time I was playing Milan and I was just about to lose the final of CHL, it was 1x0 to RM and it was already in overtime so I passed to Rivaldo and he was exactly inside the kickoff area.
I decided I would try and run with him till near the box for a shot but before I could do it I was already being challenged by Cambiasso, when I was about to lose the ball I decided to kick the ball from the kickoff area, Rivaldo had his back to Cassilas goal when I charged the bar he turned around and fired a shocker that just went over Iker, who was watching the game a little far from the goal.
Then the game went to extra time and i scored the winning goal
The cool thing about it is that after that I never scored another goal from the midfield.
why all the talk about a "cross" between FIFA and PES3?
do you guys know that EVERY team in PES3 plays differently, has their own style of play and attacking preferences...if we had 500 teams most would play the same, and some of the magic of PES3 would be lost.
I like it this way
do you guys know that EVERY team in PES3 plays differently, has their own style of play and attacking preferences...if we had 500 teams most would play the same, and some of the magic of PES3 would be lost.
I like it this way
I am a crazy football fan and own both PES/WE and FIFA every year. (even I don't like FIFA)
Why PES/WE is amazing is the freedom of control and the varieties of playing. No doubt that the gameplay is much better than FIFA and I am not going to talk about that.
Even some people says that FIFA's graphics is better, I do think PES/WE has better graphics because the player's motion in FIFA just look weird.
Just pay attention to the details of graphics (not the sponsors on kits, in fact even many people or even I can draw real kits with photoshop), the players in FIFA score goals and celebrate without looking at the balls or watching the balls go into the goals. They neither look at te ball or the goal when they shoot. It is just stupid. I laugh everytime when I see it.
Look at Winning Eleven, players in the sidelines preparing to cross the ball into the middle sometimes turn their heads looking into the middle and then turn their eyes back to the ball, then make crosses. Players look at the ball and celebrate just after the balls pass the white line and get into the goals. It just likes real football.
I do sometimes hate FIFA because they waste such their good licences by their stupid gameplay.
Why PES/WE is amazing is the freedom of control and the varieties of playing. No doubt that the gameplay is much better than FIFA and I am not going to talk about that.
Even some people says that FIFA's graphics is better, I do think PES/WE has better graphics because the player's motion in FIFA just look weird.
Just pay attention to the details of graphics (not the sponsors on kits, in fact even many people or even I can draw real kits with photoshop), the players in FIFA score goals and celebrate without looking at the balls or watching the balls go into the goals. They neither look at te ball or the goal when they shoot. It is just stupid. I laugh everytime when I see it.
Look at Winning Eleven, players in the sidelines preparing to cross the ball into the middle sometimes turn their heads looking into the middle and then turn their eyes back to the ball, then make crosses. Players look at the ball and celebrate just after the balls pass the white line and get into the goals. It just likes real football.
I do sometimes hate FIFA because they waste such their good licences by their stupid gameplay.
Very good points kochung. Many people say FIFA has better graphics and presentation but it's just plain not true. Not only does WE/PES have better gameplay it looks/feels/acts like real football. FIFA's only bonus is the licenses and teams, if it didnt have that FIFA would be dead in the water already. It amazed me how much $cash$ EA can waste and still have a shallow game, EA obviously doesent know football.
Dr_psikick
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I´m a regular FIFA player since 96', but i must say that i has waiting to try PES. I don´t like those PSX gamepads, i prefer using the keyboard, so i only try PES yesterday, and i must say that i've enjoy it very much. I' can't say if was better or worse than FIFA2004 but was certenlly diferent i suppose that i'm going to buy both.
The worst part of PES are the rosters, but the PC users will create patches correcting then as we did on the various FIFA games...
Congratilations to the KONAMI team and i hope they can push EA team to keep on trying... And that's the best for all of us - more and better soccer games every year.
The worst part of PES are the rosters, but the PC users will create patches correcting then as we did on the various FIFA games...
Congratilations to the KONAMI team and i hope they can push EA team to keep on trying... And that's the best for all of us - more and better soccer games every year.