**UFC, PRIDE, & General MMA**

[yoyo913]

Anyone watch TUF 6 Finale?

I'm glad Danzig won, I really like the guy, he deserved it. I knew he wasn't going to let Tommy get into a rhythm and grow in confidence, I knew he was going to go for a submission quick.

War Machine vs J-Roc was an awesome battle, both strong muscular and about the same size, it was back and forward and the ending just kicked ass.

Huerta and Guida was the best fight of the night. I was waiting for Huerta to be knocked out in the 3rd round but Huerta had huge winning spirit and ended up winning. Guida is a beast and Huerta is a champion.

 

[::shinji::]

Yeah it was an awesome night overall, I've always been a bit skeptical about TUF but this event was a hell of a lot more entertaining than the last UFC pay-per-view, that's for sure. I thought all the matches were really good exept for Saunders-Barrera, but that's mostly because Barrera fights like a wet blanket (I doubt we'll ever see him again).

I had a feeling Huerta-Guida was gonna be something special, those guys have always brought it into the cage. The lightweight division is so incredibly stacked right now it's ridiculous, and Danzig's dropping to 155 too so that should be interesting. With Sherk stripped of the title I'm gonna go ahead and assume that BJ Penn (don't think Stevenson has enough to beat him) will be champ in January... BJ vs. Huerta for the title in April/May?


I tuned into the Hatton-Mayweather fight during the 5th round as soon as the Huerta-Guida war was over, and meh is all I can say... I've been a long time boxing fan, but there's no way it can compete with MMA in terms of exitiment these days. Every round until the lacklustre KO was punch,punch,hold...repeat at nausea, a total snorefest IMO

Now that's more like it!:

 

[yoyo913]

I actually predict Stevenson to beat Penn because of his amazing endurance and strength. He has really good submission skill/defence too which is the reason I'm going to give him a win over Penn.

 

[::shinji::]

well, you never know in MMA, but I just think BJ Penn is on another level.. he's also got a world of experience and has faced a lot tougher guys in his career over the years than Stevenson.

I dunno though, my predictions have been WAY off this year and Stevenson's definitely a good fighter. Should be a great match, and anything's better than having to watch Sherk lay on a guy for 5 rounds

 

[Yossarian]

This was probably one of the better UFN events that I've ever watched. I didn't know ****all about Huerta and Guida, but Shinji claimed that it had the potential of being a fight of the year, so that got me extremely amped, man. It was just awesome to see a fight not only live up to its hype, but maybe even surpass it. The onslaught and devastation that they heaped upon one another for the entirety of the match was just jaw-droppingly unbelievable, man. I couldn't control myself from the sheer delight I was experiencing watching that epic scrap....**** had me salivating, man. There aren't many as ferocious and lively as Guida, eh? Imo, he had that fight won up until that last rnd where his recklessness and gungho approach led em into eating one too many knees and high kicks. There was never a momentary drop in the action, man. Whether they were on the ground or standing, it was just a pornographic display of what MMA is all about. It's one of those matches that you use as your exemplar when trying to convert lukewarm fans of the sport fully, man,


btw, Shinji, were you wacking off to Danzig as he was pummelling the **** out of that "roided up mid-western American wrestler who's borring" prototype? hurhurhur.....all I had in my head as I was watching that fight is you strokin it uncontrollably as that kid was getting owned.

Anyway, I'm happy for Mac.

 

[Yossarian]

I tuned into the Hatton-Mayweather fight during the 5th round as soon as the Huerta-Guida war was over, and meh is all I can say... I've been a long time boxing fan, but there's no way it can compete with MMA in terms of exitiment these days. Every round until the lacklustre KO was punch,punch,hold...repeat at nausea, a total snorefest IMO

Now that's more like it!:

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hmm....it's too bad you feel that way, bro, because I thought it was one of the better bouts this year. The early goings were frustrating, but as the fight progressed and the ref backed off some, it became a really exciting match. My buddies and I made a total event of the entire day, pretty much dedicating our entire afternoon and evening to this bout. We watched the 24/7 documentary, so that got us really enthralled and intuned to the fight and by the time the event got underway, we were already overdosing on adrenaline, man.


It's really unfair to make derisive judgments about a fight when you only saw half of it and then compare it to an epic MMA match such as the Huerta/Guida one when that match would pretty much put any sporting event to shame interms of excitement and nonstop action, you know? That fight is one for the ages, whereas the Hatton/PBF bout was just a really good match that many didn't expect it to be. Floyd's game, as we all know it, is about being mentally more sharper than his opponent and reacting to their mistakes and deficiencies. He's not gonna brawl with you recklessly and expend unnecessary energy. He's gonna out wit you and technically overwhelm you with his flawless punching and defending capabilities, so when we saw Hatton get 'em to actually let his defenses down for a while and duke it out and show off his warrior spirit, it was marvelous to watch, you know? All his tools, from his brawling and combative side, to his awe-inspiring technique and mental savviness were all out on display, man, and that's what made it such a compelling fight.


If you can't appreciate that KO, bro, then I don't know what to say. The way it was timed and executed with such astonishing precision, it was just phenomenal, man. He lured 'em and walked him into that hook so cleverly...he basically used Hatton's aggression against him and baited him into coming inside and then BAM, caught 'em flush to the side of the head. It was just beautifully designed like a well engineered gogoplata, armbar or guillotine, bro.......about as picture perfect as they come.

 

[::shinji::]

Yeah, your last two posts were spot on I have to say. I think I was still orgasming from Huerta-Guida and probably didn't give the boxing match a fair judgement. I can admit that now.. btw, did you get to see Kelly Pavlik-Jermaine Tayor a couple months back? Was a great fight, it was a boxing match that had me on the edge of my seat throughout...and for me that's unusual these days.

About Danzig and the farm boy, haha well I wasn't stroking it but I was releived that Tommy kid didn't win. I just think MMA needs more Huerta types (btw, doesn't he kinda remind you of a lightweight version of Shogun, or any Chute Boxe fighter for that matter?) and less olympic style wrestlers. Not that I don't appreciate their sport, I just don't think it's dynamic enough for MMA. Although there are certainly exceptions a la Randy Couture.

Guida's a beast too man, wether he's kicking ass or getting his ass kicked that guy has a habit of making it look spectacular. Love his intensity and I hope the UFC gives him a couple easier bouts next so he can build up some more w's on his record. They've really thrown Guida to the wolves since joining the UFC, he's pretty much only faced title contenders thus far.

 

[Yossarian]

hehe...yeah, please give it another chance.

I haven't yet watched the Pavlik/Tayor match, but I was shocked to hear Taylor lose that bout, man. I intend on watching the first fight asap and catching the rematch aswell in February.

-I agree with you about your assesment of farm-boy type fighters and their one dimensionality. Huerta is a phenomenal fighter and really gifted standing up, but almost equally as adept on the ground too, man. He's just so eeriely calm and settled under any predicament, man. Your comparison of Shogun to 'em is spot on in my opinion. The kid is just so versatile and electrifying to watch.


LOL@ in regards to your comments about Guida....that dude is balls-out nuts, I swear. He is truly remarkable with his pace and aggression, man. It seems as though he's only got one gear and that gear is SUPREMEOVERDRIVETOTHEMAXAGGRESSION....he's just beautiful to watch, man, and he epitomizes that warrior attitude, but I just hope for his sake that he works on his standup more......boy did he take a lot of hellacious shots both from the hands and feet.....WOOF!

 

[::shinji::]

Total Domination =

F*ck Matt Hughes and his "country breakfast"!

 

[yoyo913]

GSP is f*cking awesome

 

[Yossarian]

Shin, I finally got to see the Pavlik/Taylor fight.....lemme just say......WOW! A fight of the year contender as far as I'm concerned, man. Those middleweights can hit, eh? What a crazy brawl, man. I still don't know how Pavlik recovered from that knockdown and got the fortitude and heart to go on and win the fight.....he was literally deadweight from head to toe, yet he found the mettle somewhere inside of 'em to hang on until the bell rang and recover enough the next rnd to actually win that rnd....wowzers!


Regarding UFC 79......I really enjoyed it. The Eddie Sanchez fight was utter ****! I don't know how that made it to the main card. The Clementi/Gulliard bout was just out of this World vitriolic and passionate.....those two were ready to kill each other right there in the ring because of their intense feud off the Octagon, man. From their previous scuffles out of the ring, to Gulliard giving Clementi the fingers as he entered the ring and shouting "**** You" at 'em, and then finally Clementi prancing over Gulliard's prostrated and compromised body after he choked 'em out......it was just endlessly dramatic and classless on both ends.....I'm glad Gulliard got his stupid ass owned, man.


The Machida/Sudokuboy bout was a bit of a surprise. See I was aware of Lyoto's flawless record but I wasn't really too familiar with his game, right? I thought that Sudokuboy could honestly knock his ass down, right? He was on a roll, he was bigger, more athletic and stronger, so I felt that he could pound the **** out of Machida, but the JaBrazilian made him look downright silly, yalls. He made him look painfully predictable and amateurish. He was smarter, his standup was more precise and consistent, and on the ground? It wasn't even a contest. Machida just simply outclassed 'em all over the Octagon...almost as one-sided as the GSP/Hughes fight. Also, his swagger and trashtalkin after the bout was hilarious and a welcomed surprise.


I didn't have much optimism for the Liddell/Silva fight to be honest. This match was long overdue, both of 'em slightly over the hill and just not their old, dominant selves, man. Anyway. It was pretty decent, man. I was thoroughly impessed with Chuck's vitality and gameplan. He was in tiptop shape, his punches were deadly accurate and surprisingly rapid, he was just tapping into his old formidable self, man. Wand was also great, interms of his fighting spirit and aggression, but he was detrimentally predictable. He ate a lot of devastating punches flush, and to his credit, he was able to recover quickly and fire off some decent punches of his own. He was a bit hesitant at times and unsure of how to get inside of Liddell's range and sweet jabs. I was really rootin' for 'em, but I really feel that Liddell handled him rather impressively well, man........REMATCH, please!


The GSP/Hughes fight was just brilliant, man. That fight must've been top quality masturbating material for you Shin, eh? It was one of the most dominant performances in the sport's history that I've ever witnessed. It was such a commanding and thorough victory that it sorta had me feeling sorry for Hughes, man......a lot like when he was pummeling on a long out of date Royce a while ago. GSP's display was just so absolute, crisp and flawless that I had to wipe the drool off my chin several times. It was just so marvelous and utterly astounding that I now find myself contemplating whether he just might be P4P the best MMAer around?


Overall, a 7.5/10 in my books


oh yeah, one more thing. It's such a farce that guys like GSP and Hunt fight as Welterweights....especially GSP, though. The dude must cut like 20/25pnds just to make weight, man. I would be surprised if he was even within 15pnds of the WW weight limit on fight night. The dude is clearly a natural middleweight and I hope that he eventually moves up to his natural class some time in the new year.

 

[::shinji::]

touching on a few points you made here..

Machida.. I swear dude, he's this generation's Bruce Lee (in the making, anyway). I've always been fond of him as a fighter from the couple fights I saw of his during his pre-UFC days, but I'm just in awe of his skills now. I can see how someone could find his style unappealing at first, but the more you check out his moves you can really see just how sublime he is. I've been watching some of his highlights in slo-mo and all I can say is holy f*ck, he does a lot that gets missed at full speed, it's like watching poetry in motion. I'm pretty sure he has the ability to see sh!t coming at him in slow-motion..


look at this slick aikido style takedown vs. Nak, straight into side control:

and another..

this is some serious Mr. Miyagi sh!t right here against Sam Hoger:

I have to admit, I thought Soko was gonna give him hell too, but as of now I'm convinced Machida can take on and beat all comers..



Soa Palalei vs. Eddie Sanchez... personally I hope we never see either of these guys again. I was hoping for a heavyweight slugfest, pretty dissapoiting to say the least. Rumour has it though that Sanchez might be Arlovski's next opponent in March/April..


I share your sentiments exactly regarding Liddell-Silva. I dunno man, is it just me or do most of these Pride guys just seem physically smaller now that they're in the octagon? I've noticed this with a few guys now, and Wanderlei was no different...

GSP made my night man, you were bang on with that one! haha! It really did look like a father schooling his child out there, the real GSP is back no doubt. AND, it's even more amazing when you factor in the fact that GSP took this fight on short notice, although it's pretty obvious he's a training machine.

GSP at middleweight??? You know what that would set the stage for don't ya? ...the ultimate dream fight of the ages between GSP and Anderson Silva!!!!

 

[Yossarian]

well put in regards to Machida. That dude is special. He's so eerily calm in the midst of battle, man. He's just beautiful to watch because everything he pulls off seems flawless and well timed


Secondly, about the weight/size inconsistency in former Pride fighters. I wholeheartedly agree with you, bro. You think the UFC's weight cutting/gaining is a joke? Pride was ten times worse. You had guys who were well over their class size being given the clearance to fight. Also, the rampant Steroid use in Pride (Since there's no laws against it in Japan) is probably wreaking havoc on some of the ex-Pride fighters. I mean, I'm sure there a lot of ways of getting around these tests since the NSAC testing methods are far from perfect and not nearly up to the standards of Wada and stuff. They're probably scared to death of being caught at the moment, thas all. One more thing, Wand usually fought closer 215-220 in Pride if I'm not mistaken, and around 230 for the Grand Prix (WTF is the plural for Prix?....prix?) in Pride....that's why he looks significantly smaller. It also didn't help that LIddell was in the best shape of his career and probably weighing around 230 for that fight, man. He was just ******* huge, eh? Both in muscular density and length aswell.


GSP....didn't he look remarkably big to you? Especially in his lowerbody? (NO HOMO) The guy was just stacked, man. I really feel that he can transition into middleweight effortlessly, and a fight with Anderson would be (attempts to stop self from salivating) a battle of epic proportions. That fight on its own would break MMA attendance/PPV puchase records, man.

 

[ninjashoes]

Theres a new org coming out called Sengoko, Prides old staff is putting together the production. Gomi and Misaki have received offers.

 

[newbie original]

No posts here for a while. I actually only started paying attention to MMA around UFC 94.......

BJ Penn is back(going through that Marinovich guy) after his beating at the hands of GSP. Going to be an exciting match against Kenny Florian. Florian is basically in the Wimbledon final....he's won 6 straight matches and now faces his toughest test with the title staring him in the face.

BTW, you guys excited about the potential of Kimbo Slice in the UFC heavyweight division?

 

[Seán D]

Anderson Silva- Forrest Griffin was such a let down . Was hoping Forrest would put up a better fight. Anderson was brilliant though. BJ Penn was awesome aswell.

 

[Seán D]

BTW, you guys excited about the potential of Kimbo Slice in the UFC heavyweight division?

Kimbo is a bum. Congo, Lesnar, Mir and the likes would smash him easy. I don't see what he has to offer.

 

[newbie original]

I want to see a Machida vs Silva fight.

 

[leungtl]

I want to see a Machida vs Silva fight.

I think anyone would, but it'll never happen sadly.

Anderson Silva is just a beast.

 

[newbie original]

At this point, with Griffin and Jardine losing and Rampage and Evans already scheduled to fight, there aren't a whole lot of people left to put up against Machida.

Except Silva........