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Will the Korea fiasco happen in 2006?
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If that's me you're referring to, I didn't want to belittle Hurst's performance at all. Facts are facts. He scored a hat trick in a world cup final. That is a wonderful performance, any player in the world dreams about doing that. No one will ever refute that.pede54 said:
I just mentioned that in MY personal opinion, the linesman had as much impact on that final as Hurst did. If he said the ball wasn't in, it could be all different. If the rules had been applied for the fourth goal, it could have been different. But enough "ifs". If the handball this, if the linesman that. England won the World Cup. End of story.
NGAFOOTBALLKING
Senior Squad
Why do u have to call it a fiasco maybe AT THAT TIME those teams were just the better team with a tiny spark of luck.
Yes that was terrible; it was Leonardo who did that.pasion1 said:
But it wasn't the worst I remember. The worst was the Schumacher-Battiston incident in Germany-France WC 1982. Battiston was clean through and Schumacher 'launched' himself and while high flying with his legs in front he crashed into poor Battiston
Talking about criminal...It was on purpose by this madman and what did the ref? Nothing! Not even yellow.
I don't want to argue. However, it deserves to be mentioned, that living standards of some of the Eastern block countries were higher, than they are now. Besides, after the Warsaw pact collapsed there happend a lot of national conflicts.-Vince- said:
And the USSR and the Warsaw pact were the only way to resist the USA. Look what we've got now: NATO bases in Baltic countries. In front of our borders. There will be American anti-missile systems in Poland and Czech Republic by 2010.
Bonzi said:I wouldn't equate Argentinian cups with Uruguayan ones
Argentina won their cups in the modern history of World Cups, while Uruguay won it when the system of the World Cup itself was completely different.
Pff, dude that means absolutely **** all to the elites of football.
1) Italy hold their 34,38 wins as highly (if not more) than the 82 one.
2) Germany holds the 54 and 74 MUCH higher than the 1990 one. (in terms of importance)
3) England? They're only source of argument is the 66 world cup, so theyll fight it's importance to the death. (It's their crown/thrown that makes them above anyone in Great Brittain and almost all in Europe)
If you mean "Modern Era", then you mean after 1974, which was the official take over of "European physique" vs. South American lazy play. (As seen when Holland took out the 3 powers of S.America that World cup easily.)
Thus, England's world cup is meaningless and that they are in the same level as Russia
Or Italy would have 1 World Cup and thus not much more important than other nations. (As they would "Politely Disagree" with
)The 1930 is important not because it was the first WC and played by the 2 best teams in the world at that era (Argentina and Uruguay), but because Uruguay had won the (FIFA hosted and thus officially were "World Championships" 1924 and 1928 Olympics)....winning the 1930 is like winning 3 world cups in a row (And football did not just start to be played in 1920...........to put it lightly). That's what cemented that team as being as important as any WC winner (which the 1930 tournament could have done by itself, and didnt have to explain to anyone, least not to ...Russia
1950, Widly considered the most incredible national upset in the history of sports, at the biggest stage, in front of the greatest crowd ever recorded in sports history (200,000 Brazilians), AND in their own home, with them only needing a TIE to win the World Cup........vs. the greatest team of all time at that point............As Zidane once said when talking about his "father figure" Enzo Francescoli <who Zidane named his son after> and about Uruguay football history in late 95-97 <Juve years, he was in Spain with Enzo>, "The 1950 World cup is the one that usuallys stands out from all the world cups of that era. What happened that day will probably never be equaled" <paraphrasing>
To have some random dude, show up and tell Italy, England, Uruguay, Germany that "their world cups dont matter" ...is too sad to be funny. Believe it or not, no one cares about "what year it happened" because nations like Argnentina/Brazil constantly honour the 1950 as if it happened just yesturday.
<Obviously not much from Brazil for obvious reasons
)AND ...speaking of RUSSIA. 1970, one of the proudest moments in Uruguay football history (As you saw from Argentina actually boasting about the 1990 "Water" to Branco moment, Uruguay takes pride in cheating too <We're the Eddie Guerreros of Football
>It was Uruguay vs. USSR in the quarter finals. Uruguay was exhausted launched a desperate attack in the 120th minute <1 min before a replay>. All of a sudden, "Corner kick",....the Russians stop playing as the ball barely crosses the line. BUT WAIT, thE Ref didnt see it or call it, so when all the Russians are looking down, the Uruguayan pulls it back and crosses it to Nacional Legend, Victor Esparrago.......who heads in the 1-0 in the last second of the game.
about 6/11 Russians fell on the floor in disbelief. while the rest were so furious at the ref that they had to be restrained. I dont think Russia ever rebounded from that, and were almost surely going to go to their first and only Semi final ever <as they had better physical preperation than Uruguay> (and who knows if they would have beaten Brazil). You have no idea how Uruguay boasts about tricking everyone to win the game...it was great.
It was one of my fave bed time stories as a kid
, but that just reminded me of it 
Im with Pede on this one. It's all about money with these competetions. Almost always the host nation makes it far or even go on to win it because of dodgy reffing. It manipulates us all and they say its just "part of the game" If you really believe this than you are only kidding yourself. Only once has a south american team won a world cup on European soil. I dont know what fifa is planning this year but im sure Germany will make it out of the group stage and the final will be between 2 heavywieghts that have won it before. 
'fraid you're probably right about that Bummy. The manipulation of the games is just so obvious its almost laughable. Yeah, it is a real shame, because we all wait 4 years for what should be the greatest celebration of football on the planet, and they serve us up the same thing every time. The World Cup is now more about controversy than about who actually wins it. Everyone knows that Blatter and Fifa are as bent as a nine bob note, so it follows that their competition is always gonna be bent too. Carlos Warner is a very special friend of Blatter so it should be interesting to see how Trinidad and Tobago do. I would expect to see them get some very favourable calls.
The home nation ALWAYS makes it out of the group stage, so it should be interesting keeping an eye on that group too for referee and linesmen's "mistakes".
The home nation ALWAYS makes it out of the group stage, so it should be interesting keeping an eye on that group too for referee and linesmen's "mistakes".
SlayerDeuS
Starting XI
I hope it doesn't happen. I know this year the overrated Korea side will get totally ass-raped, and deservedly so.
I think it's very clear, the further Korea got in that WC, the bigger expectation over football in that country (and consistently in the rest of Asia). That means more market and more benefitspasion1 said:
But I think that Korea reaching the final would have been too obvious, so they stopped this joke in semifinals.
NGAFOOTBALLKING
Senior Squad
pasion1 said:
I always thought modren era started 66 onward
Well thats true Vince. The tactics did indeed contribute to Italy's undoing, but we are really talking about the additional help they might have recieved from the men in black/green/yellow. The decisions from the Italian bench sure didn't help the guys on the pitch but the decisional advantage shown in Korea's favour from the officials still stands out a mile.