2018 world cup bid

[Xifio]

yes, one of several reasons just off the top of my head makes that one reason the entire reason they got the bid ... excellent conclusion ... well done ...

and yes, religion has so much to do with football ...

also, yes, the countries with the most fans should always get the World Cup ... no need to bother with considering a World Cup's legacy ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

What is the legacy of this!? That Qatar builds a bunch of cool stadiums, fans pack into a small 120 degree desert nation in summer like livestock, and Qatar remains irrelevant as a footballing nation? Lovely. It hurts the fan experience. How many normal folks can get to Qatar and pay for already ridiculously expensive accommodations during the World Cup?! Any?

Oh, and BTW, it's good that something in Qatar is going green because per capita they are the worst emissions offender in the world by an almost comical amount.

EDIT: If you want a World Cup to create a legacy you choose... oh I don't know USA in 94, Japan/South Korea in 2002, South Africa in 2010, and Russia in 2018. Those are excellent "legacy" cups. I commend FIFA for them. Qatar is NOT on that level.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

And BTW, the legacy of those great stadiums... as Luis already posted, who exactly is going to build them?

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,,QAT,4562d8cf2,484f9a3732,0.html

Oh.

 

[RobbieD_PL]

Apparently the stadiums are going to be re-assembled into smaller versions to be shipped off to developing countries, so that there won't be any white elephants. Will they be going back to the countries of origin of the labour that's going to build them?

 

[Xifio]

human rights and similar issues will have to be addressed during the several years available for planning and necessary changes ... but Shifty, don't sit all high and mighty on the moral right: the USA was built on slave labour; just because it doesn't happen now, doesn't mean there isn't blood all over the foundations ...

as for bashing Qatar: please continue ... I think it's great they have a chance to prove doubters wrong ... there's a long way to go to do that; so, by all means, have your fill during that time ...

 

[Pogba4Now]

You're being stupid. Maybe the average person in Qatar is a much bigger soccer fan than the average person in America, but there are 10 or probably even 100 times more hardcore soccer fans in the USA than in Qatar.

You make a good point there, but having the WC in Qatar will give the opportunity of surrounding countries to attend. Countries like UAE, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia etc.

There isn't even freedom of religion in this country and it's rewarded with the greatest sporting event in the world.

Again... that is IRRELEVANT to football. How is a country's political system related with football? It won't affect the WC experience a single bit, so stop bringing up religious/political issues...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Again... that is IRRELEVANT to football. How is a country's political system related with football? It won't affect the WC experience a single bit, so stop bringing up religious/political issues...

Um, it will affect the fan experience when Swedish and Dutch fans start getting locked up for drunkenly declaring that there is no God.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

human rights and similar issues will have to be addressed during the several years available for planning and necessary changes ... but Shifty, don't sit all high and mighty on the moral right: the USA was built on slave labour; just because it doesn't happen now, doesn't mean there isn't blood all over the foundations ...

Oh please. If the rest of the World was unchanged, but the laws and culture of the USA were turned back to 1848 I would NOT support having the World Cup in the USA.

I know this is totally tinged with British "we invented football we are the best" arrogance, but I kind of agree with the British notion that nations like the US and England shouldn't even bother to put together bids anymore. 2018 England and 2022 USA offered what would amount to the best overall World Cups that have ever occurred for fan experience, media coverage, investment, and sponsorship (plus a lot of other stuff) and we were turned down. It's clear FIFA just doesn't want to have a World Cup in one of our countries, so there's no point in trying. I will fully get behind Oz's attempt at... I don't know probably 2030 I guess.

 

[Pogba4Now]

Um, it will affect the fan experience when Swedish and Dutch fans start getting locked up for drunkenly declaring that there is no God.

Hahahahaha. I'm trying to imagine that. I'm pretty sure they'll address these issues though. I'm sure they'll make exceptions for the WC.

 

[VanTheMan]

India has nearly 1 and a half billion people, but they can't find 11 players good enough for a World Cup campaign ... the Netherlands have had decades of amazing teams, and they only have around 15 million people now ... bigger isn't always better ... each case is unique ... it takes several factors to mobilize a sleeping giant, and it takes several different factors to spark interest in a smaller region ...

also, I don't think you're considering that Qatar's role in the grand scheme of footballing matters may stretch further than just being able to field a competitive team ... driving scientific breakthroughs and setting standards in stadium technology would just be one of several examples I can provide just off the top of my head ...

DID NEONE SAY INDIA? :P

India has neough money to host aworld cup..the technology and everything to it...
the interest of the government lies elsewer though..
we cant find 11 players cause of the importance given to cricket...
hell, we dnt even have 1 good stadium apart from the salt lake stadium....

ull see amazing talent here..the problem is they cant last beyond 60 minutes...
better training facilities wld surely help...
and yeah ! a world cup here wld be too amazing...
there r alot of rich fags here who r lke too filthy rich...

 

[Filipower]

I'm sure they'll make exceptions for the WC.

Then I wouldn't want the WC in my country if I was them. I have to make exceptions for people who do not care a single bit for the country's traditions come and have a "party"?

Except for the cool stadiums nothing makes sense about Qatar having the WC. And I don't give a **** about cool stadiums.

 

[RobbieD_PL]

DID NEONE SAY INDIA? :P

India has neough money to host aworld cup..the technology and everything to it...
the interest of the government lies elsewer though..
we cant find 11 players cause of the importance given to cricket...
hell, we dnt even have 1 good stadium apart from the salt lake stadium....

ull see amazing talent here..the problem is they cant last beyond 60 minutes...
better training facilities wld surely help...
and yeah ! a world cup here wld be too amazing...
there r alot of rich fags here who r lke too filthy rich...

You guys just hosted the Commonwealth Games...

 

[Xifio]

Then I wouldn't want the WC in my country if I was them. I have to make exceptions for people who do not care a single bit for the country's traditions come and have a "party"?

Except for the cool stadiums nothing makes sense about Qatar having the WC. And I don't give a **** about cool stadiums.

so if they are tolerant, it's no good ... if they are intolerant, it's no good ... that's very good ...


EDIT:

Oh please. If the rest of the World was unchanged, but the laws and culture of the USA were turned back to 1848 I would NOT support having the World Cup in the USA.

I know this is totally tinged with British "we invented football we are the best" arrogance, but I kind of agree with the British notion that nations like the US and England shouldn't even bother to put together bids anymore. 2018 England and 2022 USA offered what would amount to the best overall World Cups that have ever occurred for fan experience, media coverage, investment, and sponsorship (plus a lot of other stuff) and we were turned down. It's clear FIFA just doesn't want to have a World Cup in one of our countries, so there's no point in trying. I will fully get behind Oz's attempt at... I don't know probably 2030 I guess.

the World Cup is about more than who is the best host right now ... like so many people have said, England can host a World Cup next week ... but the World Cup is being used a catalyst for positive infrastructural and social change to happen in the host nation, giving new nations (who are ready to embrace it) a chance to have the capacity to host the most popular tournament in the world ... why is this so difficult for you and others to understand?

and for the record, Oz was second on my list of preferred nations for 2022 ... I'd definitely back them as favourite the next time Asian nations are eligible to bid ...

 

[Filipower]

What do you mean?

If they're intolerant, it's no good to host the WC there. If they are hypocritically tolerant just because they want to host it, then obviously it's also no good. I have no idea how what you said is supposed to refute my argument.

 

[Xifio]

hypocritically tolerant? being tolerant is to tolerate, not to condone ... therefore, I'm saying you have no point ...

 

[Filipower]

Oh give me a break, you understood what I mean.

 

[Xifio]

I know what you're saying man ... they don't approve of such behaviour, and they don't usually allow it ... so them allowing it for the World Cup is putting on a fake front, a temporary façade ... but if they show they can be both tolerant and gracious for that period of time, and thus globally reap the kudos, plaudits, and rewards, they may consider actually doing that / moving towards that on a permanent basis ... it's a longshot, but I'd rather not dismiss the possibility based on some foolhardy assumptions on what is possible and what isn't ... the Kingdom of Jordan is a great example of what a progressive Islamic constitutional monarchy can be ...

 

[Filipower]

Yes but the WC shouldn't be given on the assumption they might do it well.

Let's give it to the taliban and hope they treat Team USA properly.

 

[Xifio]

Yes but the WC shouldn't be given on the assumption they might do it well.

Let's give it to the taliban and hope they treat Team USA properly.

this:

giving new nations (who are ready to embrace it) a chance to have the capacity to host the most popular tournament in the world ... why is this so difficult for you and others to understand?

 

[Filipower]

Yes well hopefully they're ready; this sends us back to the beginning of the argument, we're running in circles here.