A question to FIFA fans

[Ominous]

So, this year EA is going crazy advertising its "First Touch" bull****.

I mean, what the hell is so unique about first touch passing/shooting? Isn't it supposed to be one of the most basic part of football? You can't leave out something so basic and then call your game a football. In that case, what the hell have EA been selling so far???

Also, more importantly, doesn't this kind of advertisement bombing insult your intelligence? When a company tries to make a big deal out of something so small, and bombs you with adverts 24/7 from all possible sources, so as to make you feel that they have come up with something truly groundbreaking.

But then again, that's the standard procedure nowadays. Everyone from useless beauty products to fatty fast food restaurants use such aggressive marketing strategies all the time.

And EA is, after all, just another corporate sucker.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I was already going to make a thred about this in fifa forum, but then changed my mind. Most of them wouldn't understand wtf I'm talking about because of quotes like this:

Originally posted by GoalUSA10
My question about the kits wasn't meant to be my only "worry" about FIFA 2005. I also think that gameplay is one of the most important features that EA should focus on to make a successful game, but I just wanted to make sure that the graphics would be updated to make the game more current and enjoyable.

I see no trouble for EA to hype up this years fifa with such a lousy advertisment, because many fifa fans like the quoted one think of gameplay as a ''feature'' not as a core aspect of the game that makes game either playable or not. EA's like car dealer who sells car saying ''uh oh look, we have this special feature for this car we implemented recently, it's called the ''wheel''. now you can actually steer your whicle and drive it anywhere you want, it's complete freedom now and you can choose direction where to go yourself, isn't that amazing''. Well, in most cases this car dealer wouldn't be too succesfull, but so happens that most of it's customers are medieval people that does not understand a **** in cars.
The first touch is basicly the way the receiver of the pass stops the ball passed to him which depend on his agility and ability to drible so either he does that clumsy or agile and this is the way it happens in Konami games. Fifa never had this basic ''feature'' so for fifa adoring people it'll be something really new and spectacular and it's no use to argue with them, they'll look at you with big round eyes of hatered for such a blasphemy.
It really seems that all fifafans want is nice shiny kits and beautiful new haircut for their favourite player, some more stadiums and all new croud chants, so if it's in the place they're happy. EA is taking advantage of this and I can't blame them for that. I would probably do the same thing if I was them.

 

[ishan1990]

well, i am kind of in the middle.

This is my take on first touch



In pes you could control the first touch to some extent.

You could do an overhead flick and there are a few animations for turning and everything.

In fifa 2004 the first touch was pretty ****ty.

of course you could do simple knockaheads and turns with your first touch, but it wasn't at all good.

now with this new feature it looks like they are giving more freedom

you can go left right behind or ahead with the flick of the right analoge stick.

I was watching the ign vids and the few minutes i watched the game i saw already tons of animations.

I saw one animation where beckham had the ball behind of him (i still hate beckham) he jumps up and flicks the ball over his head with the side of his foot. That was pretty cool. from what i've seen in other videos its not just all flashy stuff either.

one animation was where inzaghi recieved a pass and instead of stopping it or even letting it run through his legs and then chasing it, he kicked the ball through his legs and a little off to the side and turned around and chased it. (i'm sorry for my poor description)


there are flicks over the player and knock ons.

These are all from gameplay videos.



while i dont like ea marketing and hyping up this game that much, i guess i cant do much to stop that. I just hope that it turns out to be good this year because its deffinately looking that way.

 

[Gnidrologist]

In pes you could control the first touch to some extent. You could do an overhead flick and there are a few animations for turning and everything.

Not just some extent. In pes if you have a sluggish player with low deibble and agility skill, he will receive the ball clumsy letting it bounce several times, letting it to far away from himself, doing some useless slow unneceserry actions. As an opposite, the agile dribbler would collect the ball quickly, doing only thoughtfull and needed actions. As for over the head flick, it's just a realy rare trick that mostly occurs when you're lucky. Nothig like that has ever been implemented in fifa.

I saw one animation where beckham had the ball behind of him (i still hate beckham) he jumps up and flicks the ball over his head with the side of his foot. That was pretty cool. from what i've seen in other videos its not just all flashy stuff either.

Although it's really cool like you said, it has nothing to do with ''first touch''. It's just another fancy new trick that EA like's to implement every year and which makes the game even more unrealistic and unbalanced, because you could do those tricks a hundred times a game with great success which is stupid. Like those 360* spins in IGN videos. They just did it all the time. What is this, a circus?

while i dont like ea marketing and hyping up this game that much, i guess i cant do much to stop that. I just hope that it turns out to be good this year because its deffinately looking that way.

Well, I feel the same way. I'm hoping for a decent football game from EA since 98. Although some would say that hope is the last saving straw for a fool.

 

[Ny8La8]

I posted my opinions about First Touch here: http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?s=&postid=1371843#post1371843

"lmaoo,, in that clip, danny isaac sez "we came up with an idea called First touch"....

WE came up with?????? why is "first touch" an idea that needs to be "came up with"?? shouldnt the concept of First Touch already be an integral part of a soccer game??!?! thats like the producer of ESPN Basketball saying, "well in this year's rendition, the players can actually dribble the ball"

ahhh another year, another gimmick,, last year it was the orgasmic,, oops i mean organic animation gimmick, and now this. and all you fifa/ea supporters, dont get on my back about "wait till the game comes out to judge".. Hellll no! im judging RIGHT NOW. and why can i do that? cuz this is EA fifa we are talking about, not the "other soccer game".

anyway, i hope fifa 2k5 ends up as a real simulation, but when they're bragging about a concept and making a mountain out of a mole-hill,,,,

geez, how many years have EA been making fifa games? and they JUST "came up with" the idea of first touch??

*sigh*

carry on...."

 

[ishan1990]

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Not just some extent. In pes if you have a sluggish player with low deibble and agility skill, he will receive the ball clumsy letting it bounce several times, letting it to far away from himself, doing some useless slow unneceserry actions. As an opposite, the agile dribbler would collect the ball quickly, doing only thoughtfull and needed actions. As for over the head flick, it's just a realy rare trick that mostly occurs when you're lucky. Nothig like that has ever been implemented in fifa.
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yes i realize that, and thats a wonderful feature.

what i'm saying is that you really cant do much more than a few animations and a few different kinds of controlling touches.

its still a **** of a lot better than fifa 2004

first touch as i understand it in fifa is that you can do a whole bunch of animations depending on where you want to go on the pitch and it doesn't slow you down either.

i guess we'll have to wait until we play the game.


















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Although it's really cool like you said, it has nothing to do with ''first touch''. It's just another fancy new trick that EA like's to implement every year and which makes the game even more unrealistic and unbalanced, because you could do those tricks a hundred times a game with great success which is stupid. Like those 360* spins in IGN videos. They just did it all the time. What is this, a circus?
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i've only seen it done once and in the interview that i read it said it had a whole bunch more animations.
besides it was a very useful move as it succeeded in carrying the ball forward and beating the defender

like you said, i hope to god it doesn't become repetitive because that would suck dick.

as for the 360's, it was just human vs human and they were experimenting.



thats what i did when i first got pes.

i went in and started busting a **** load of moves trying to fuigure out which ones worked in which situations and i was trying to look good at the same time


















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Well, I feel the same way. I'm hoping for a decent football game from EA since 98. Although some would say that hope is the last saving straw for a fool.
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well, i agree with you here, if this fifa is no good, then forget it.

 

[niceman]

Originally posted by Gnidrologist
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. I was already going to make a thred about this in fifa forum, but then changed my mind. Most of them wouldn't understand wtf I'm talking about because of quotes like this:

I see no trouble for EA to hype up this years fifa with such a lousy advertisment, because many fifa fans like the quoted one think of gameplay as a ''feature'' not as a core aspect of the game that makes game either playable or not. EA's like car dealer who sells car saying ''uh oh look, we have this special feature for this car we implemented recently, it's called the ''wheel''. now you can actually steer your whicle and drive it anywhere you want, it's complete freedom now and you can choose direction where to go yourself, isn't that amazing''. Well, in most cases this car dealer wouldn't be too succesfull, but so happens that most of it's customers are medieval people that does not understand a **** in cars.
The first touch is basicly the way the receiver of the pass stops the ball passed to him which depend on his agility and ability to drible so either he does that clumsy or agile and this is the way it happens in Konami games. Fifa never had this basic ''feature'' so for fifa adoring people it'll be something really new and spectacular and it's no use to argue with them, they'll look at you with big round eyes of hatered for such a blasphemy.
It really seems that all fifafans want is nice shiny kits and beautiful new haircut for their favourite player, some more stadiums and all new croud chants, so if it's in the place they're happy. EA is taking advantage of this and I can't blame them for that. I would probably do the same thing if I was them.

Another funny one...:Bow: :Bow: :-puke: FIFA

 

[SYMO]

LMAO, who has ever seen Beckham do a rear flick over the head?....not me, so in FIFA2005 my whole team can pull off these amazing moves? the word Arcade comes to mind ....again.

First touch, whats the actual term mean, and what does FIFA think it means, they just came up with it so who knows what this genius and the drugs he was on down on FIFA planet was thinking when this influx of inspiration and revolution hit........most likely he was playing PES LOL.

First touch is the intitial action taken when recieving the ball? is this right?

 

[Hans]

Next improved feature in FIFA 2006 : First touch pass . . . Is a brilliant feature where you don`t need to hold or control the ball before you pass it

 

[Passanzaro]

Originally posted by SYMO
First touch is the intitial action taken when recieving the ball? is this right?

Yes its your first touch of the ball when you receive a pass, or any other time.

 

[judysaidso]

I have had my heart broken far too many times by EA. Sloppy graphics, crappy gameplay. I could honestly make a documentary on FIFA 2004 that would make them stop production of 2005 and send it back to the drawing boards. I am with open arms for PES. Its time for something new, and hopefully better.

 

[degoose]

this is some funny stuff,Ive always been in the middle with FIFA and PES but you guys really dont have any serious debates you just ramble on about what you think you know.

Ive played the 2005 demo a hell of a lot now and the first touch is totally different from whats in PES. YEs you can pull of great moves but your player needs to be of a certain agility to pull of the really great moves,also if that player is tired he cant always pull of the move.

The first touch does make a real great difference and can trick the hell out of a defender. If you actually sat down and played the demo and kept an open mind youd see that it is a great feature and actually isnt the same as whats in PES. The full gameplay is also very different to what 2004 was.

Im sure from my reply i wont get any decently sentenced arguements and just probably more EA sux . But im willing to listen to your arguements.Give a good reply though if youve actually played the demo and not just decided its crap with out trying it.

 

[niceman]

Originally posted by degoose
this is some funny stuff,Ive always been in the middle with FIFA and PES but you guys really dont have any serious debates you just ramble on about what you think you know.

Ive played the 2005 demo a hell of a lot now and the first touch is totally different from whats in PES. YEs you can pull of great moves but your player needs to be of a certain agility to pull of the really great moves,also if that player is tired he cant always pull of the move.

The first touch does make a real great difference and can trick the hell out of a defender. If you actually sat down and played the demo and kept an open mind youd see that it is a great feature and actually isnt the same as whats in PES. The full gameplay is also very different to what 2004 was.

Im sure from my reply i wont get any decently sentenced arguements and just probably more EA sux . But im willing to listen to your arguements.Give a good reply though if youve actually played the demo and not just decided its crap with out trying it.

Why dont u start out with ur argument instead of bashing others for not having any!!!

 

[Ratinho]

I agree. I've tried the Fifa demo and although it is an improvement on '04, it isn't even comparable to the latest WE game, and this 'All New' first touch thing doesn't cover the fact that the gameplay is still light years behind.

It's an open forum, and if people want to tell what they see as a few home truths, whats the problem.

Except when Elkjær's flaming me for sticking up for the PES World Champ.

 

[niceman]

Originally posted by Ratinho
I agree. I've tried the Fifa demo and although it is an improvement on '04, it isn't even comparable to the latest WE game, and this 'All New' first touch thing doesn't cover the fact that the gameplay is still light years behind.

It's an open forum, and if people want to tell what they see as a few home truths, whats the problem.

Except when Elkjær's flaming me for sticking up for the PES World Champ.

And excpet when i cant have my own opinion Mr. :drevil: Right!

 

[degoose]

Originally posted by niceman
Why dont u start out with ur argument instead of bashing others for not having any!!!

I dont actually have an arguement i was actually pointing out something and trying to explain that maybe insteading of just slating FIFA you and the rest of the PES fans should try playing the game before you make judgements.

You seem to be amazingly smarmy even though you never seem to actually have any reasonable arguements.As i said just try the game without thinking about PES for 5 seconds.I mean i can see why PES is appealing to some and why FIFA is to others.you though dont seem to be able to do this.

 

[niceman]

Originally posted by degoose
I dont actually have an arguement i was actually pointing out something and trying to explain that maybe insteading of just slating FIFA you and the rest of the PES fans should try playing the game before you make judgements.

You seem to be amazingly smarmy even though you never seem to actually have any reasonable arguements.As i said just try the game without thinking about PES for 5 seconds.I mean i can see why PES is appealing to some and why FIFA is to others.you though dont seem to be able to do this.

I have and may be u should be doing the same with PES...it is so much better than FIFA...

 

[degoose]

Originally posted by niceman
I have and may be u should be doing the same with PES...it is so much better than FIFA...

I definetley thought PES3 was much better than FIFA 2004, 2004 was far to sluggish,The graphics were great but the gameplay was terrible. Thankfully 2005 is a huge improvement and i really enjoy playing it,so as well as the looks and the new gameplay and moves ill be a purchaser of 2005 this year and ill most probably get PES4 as well.

You can never have enough footie games can you

 

[SYMO]

Hey Degoose, if you enjoy FIFA2005 then good luck to you mate, yeah you are right you cant have too many football games, but only if most of them are free lol Ill only ever buy one and thats PES, why? coz they really do produce a game that lasts for me, im still playing PES3 and thats amazing for me, ive tried the 2005 Demo and its ok, big improvement but sumthing is definately missing as it always is with FIFA games, shame, coz if anyone could produce a killer game, they should, but when you think of it who is the giant when it comes to forward thinking, the Japanese, they embrace a technology and push it to its limits, they have a totally different attitude and enthusiasm, good on em.

 

[degoose]

Well id love to get the games for free (i would if i was getting it for the pc) but im getting both for the xbox.I have a lot of mates who come round to play games.

Actually i do wonder why EA Canada makes fifa and not a designer from Europe as Canada isnt exactly known for its football history and knowledge. I mean if you look whos making football manager and Championship Manager ,well its 2 English developers and we all know england has a big old history and knowledge of football.