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shadowofanubis6;2318688 said:hey mika, it must suck to root for another italian team to take out the team that whipped your behind doesn't it?
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AC Milan vs. Man. United (2nd leg) [P+R]
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Sir Alex held his hands up and admitted the best team had won as United crashed to a 3-0 defeat in the San Siro.
Defensive errors have plagued the Reds in recent weeks and AC Milan showed no mercy as they marched toward the Champions League final.
"We gave away goals very cheaply and at this level you can't do that," the United boss told Sky Sports. "Credit to them, they pressed us really well and were very well prepared. They were certainly sharper and quicker to the ball. They've been good winners."
Certainly, Kaka and Gennaro Gattuso excelled in Milan's midfield and gave Paul Scholes and Michael Carrick little room in which to operate.
"Without question, we were on the back foot all the time," added Sir Alex. "Even in possession of the ball we found it difficult. I think they were better prepared, physically. They've been resting players and that can make a difference. We've had to play the same players all the time.
"For fifteen minutes after half-time we looked like we were getting some momentum and had a few shots blocked. But we needed that goal to turn the game around. In fairness, we didn't really look like we were going to score."
The Reds' attentions now turn back to the Premiership, where United travel to Manchester City on Saturday for a lunchtime kick-off.
"You have to put the disappointment behind you," insisted Sir Alex. "That's always been a measure of this club for many years now. The players have handled it in the past and I'm sure they'll handle it on Saturday.
"They know it's a big game and that they can win the title this weekend. That's a big incentive. I think Louis Saha will start on Saturday and Rio Ferdinand could be okay too, so we have some glimmers of a stronger squad over the next few weeks."
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That's how you react when your bid for the title is all over, not like Mourinho.
Defensive errors have plagued the Reds in recent weeks and AC Milan showed no mercy as they marched toward the Champions League final.
"We gave away goals very cheaply and at this level you can't do that," the United boss told Sky Sports. "Credit to them, they pressed us really well and were very well prepared. They were certainly sharper and quicker to the ball. They've been good winners."
Certainly, Kaka and Gennaro Gattuso excelled in Milan's midfield and gave Paul Scholes and Michael Carrick little room in which to operate.
"Without question, we were on the back foot all the time," added Sir Alex. "Even in possession of the ball we found it difficult. I think they were better prepared, physically. They've been resting players and that can make a difference. We've had to play the same players all the time.
"For fifteen minutes after half-time we looked like we were getting some momentum and had a few shots blocked. But we needed that goal to turn the game around. In fairness, we didn't really look like we were going to score."
The Reds' attentions now turn back to the Premiership, where United travel to Manchester City on Saturday for a lunchtime kick-off.
"You have to put the disappointment behind you," insisted Sir Alex. "That's always been a measure of this club for many years now. The players have handled it in the past and I'm sure they'll handle it on Saturday.
"They know it's a big game and that they can win the title this weekend. That's a big incentive. I think Louis Saha will start on Saturday and Rio Ferdinand could be okay too, so we have some glimmers of a stronger squad over the next few weeks."
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That's how you react when your bid for the title is all over, not like Mourinho.
Deserved win for Milan, our performance was pathetic. But I have to say this, for me EPL has been priority from the start of the season so dropping out of CL doesn't feel so bad as it should. Besides, that's football in cup competition, one bad game and you're done. I get much more satisfaction out of EPL title knowing we stopped Chelsea from getting it 3rd time in a row.
MaestroZidane
YELLOW CARD: Untrustworthy
Am I the only one wondering why Rooney tried too much on a cross rather than using his head?? may have ended up a goal..
night;2318823 said:On another note. I think Fergie would've retired if he'd won the CL. Now he'll still manage United next season.
I'm trying to find something positive about today
theyres plent of positives, we still got 2 things to play for, tonite was a case of the last few months catching up a bit but come saturday we'll have 3/4 of first choice defence back
. Hell you know it was a good day when freakin Giladino scores.oh well i aint gonna come here and make excuses but United were tactically naive today.
* Gattuso was used as a man marker today and broke up many attacks. He must have made the most important tackles today.
*We didnt follow suit by assigning a man marker for players like Kaka and Seedorf
*We thought we were too good to match the Italians at their own game man marking and playing deep.
*We were never going to go to Milan and batter them. We needed to keep possession for the first half hour and not gung ho like we did against Roma.
*There players are obviously stronger but have also been told to close us down quickly. Why werent we closing them down in the same way?
*We werent picking up runners. I once saw Kaka pass the ball to Seedorf and run through no one picked him up. Other times we stood off players. We failed to move the ball quick. We kept getting caught and looking the victim.
We simply lost because Milan were the better team. They studied our game and approached the game keeping in mind key players. I honestly think our players were marked out of the game majority of the game. Many players struggled throughout. Ronaldo was handled so was Rooney.
One thing that frustrates the life out of me is the fact we didnt treat this game the way it should have been treated. We playing in the San Siro and were trying to pass variation around a Milan defense that knows what were going to do. Shift the ball dummy shoot this is the champions league. No team is going to be a mug and let you shoot or run through they are going to block everything. We werent popping shots at the keeper. We were trying to pass and cross all the time. When we should have being shooting on sight everytime. Ronaldo angrily dribbled a player and had space to shoot but laid it off to the wings. What for?
I see many european teams adopting a simple approach we should follow suit. We should be able to give accurate shots from distance like Roma did against us in Olimpico. We had many opportunities and build ups. more than a fair share despite the possession. We didnt take them. We didnt play well at all. The third goal was in no way United standard. We are suppose to be better than that.
Sorry but are these the guys that people said were matchfixers and involved in the mafia and all that. This definitely wasnt fixed. This was a smashing. And the players and manager need to learn from this. Player fatigue i dont think i can use that one. Milan have played their fair share of games plus the average age of their squad is 30 plus. If we dont want players getting tired we should have thought about that in the transfer window or crashed out of one of the cups. Player fatigue cant be used as an excuse. We lost the game tactically and their was a bit of naivety involved. No excuses there. United fans have to hold their hands up and say we got battered. End of really.
Positives okay a couple of shots and a couple of good build ups. But it counts for nothing because the result is what matters really. We were a bit rushed in possession. We tried to get something going second half but found it hard. Gattuso is some player though. Kaka is an amazing player but we didnt pick him up properly. So he was even greater than great again today. We paid the price for that.
We cant call ourselves a force in Europe if we struggle against these teams every year. The players have to get over this quickly or the league and the fa cup could be at risk.
* Gattuso was used as a man marker today and broke up many attacks. He must have made the most important tackles today.
*We didnt follow suit by assigning a man marker for players like Kaka and Seedorf
*We thought we were too good to match the Italians at their own game man marking and playing deep.
*We were never going to go to Milan and batter them. We needed to keep possession for the first half hour and not gung ho like we did against Roma.
*There players are obviously stronger but have also been told to close us down quickly. Why werent we closing them down in the same way?
*We werent picking up runners. I once saw Kaka pass the ball to Seedorf and run through no one picked him up. Other times we stood off players. We failed to move the ball quick. We kept getting caught and looking the victim.
We simply lost because Milan were the better team. They studied our game and approached the game keeping in mind key players. I honestly think our players were marked out of the game majority of the game. Many players struggled throughout. Ronaldo was handled so was Rooney.
One thing that frustrates the life out of me is the fact we didnt treat this game the way it should have been treated. We playing in the San Siro and were trying to pass variation around a Milan defense that knows what were going to do. Shift the ball dummy shoot this is the champions league. No team is going to be a mug and let you shoot or run through they are going to block everything. We werent popping shots at the keeper. We were trying to pass and cross all the time. When we should have being shooting on sight everytime. Ronaldo angrily dribbled a player and had space to shoot but laid it off to the wings. What for?
I see many european teams adopting a simple approach we should follow suit. We should be able to give accurate shots from distance like Roma did against us in Olimpico. We had many opportunities and build ups. more than a fair share despite the possession. We didnt take them. We didnt play well at all. The third goal was in no way United standard. We are suppose to be better than that.
Sorry but are these the guys that people said were matchfixers and involved in the mafia and all that. This definitely wasnt fixed. This was a smashing. And the players and manager need to learn from this. Player fatigue i dont think i can use that one. Milan have played their fair share of games plus the average age of their squad is 30 plus. If we dont want players getting tired we should have thought about that in the transfer window or crashed out of one of the cups. Player fatigue cant be used as an excuse. We lost the game tactically and their was a bit of naivety involved. No excuses there. United fans have to hold their hands up and say we got battered. End of really.
Positives okay a couple of shots and a couple of good build ups. But it counts for nothing because the result is what matters really. We were a bit rushed in possession. We tried to get something going second half but found it hard. Gattuso is some player though. Kaka is an amazing player but we didnt pick him up properly. So he was even greater than great again today. We paid the price for that.
We cant call ourselves a force in Europe if we struggle against these teams every year. The players have to get over this quickly or the league and the fa cup could be at risk.
Gunnersgoal22
Youth Team
Yea, everybody is right Milan deserved the win on the field, but I still strongly think that they shouldn't even have been allowed in this competition this year.
The punishment was a ******* slap on the wrist.
Milan might now win the Champions League after a season of cheating and match fixing. Not that I'm saying they will, but if they wanted to, what's to stop them from match fixing again? They'll look back and say we won the Champions League the next season they won't care if we fix the game.
The punishment was a ******* slap on the wrist.
Milan might now win the Champions League after a season of cheating and match fixing. Not that I'm saying they will, but if they wanted to, what's to stop them from match fixing again? They'll look back and say we won the Champions League the next season they won't care if we fix the game.
hey mates theirs still next year, tought i was routing for milan, i think this season manchester was the most enjoyable team to watch, they played some beautiful football; i just think milan apply the game tacticly perfect, hell even in the first leg,
anyways i think UTD cant use playing 3 cups as an excuse, barca made the double last season, and they had many injurys truw out the season, milan are still playing the calcio and they are fighting to qualify to the next CL, otherwise i have to agree with the guy that mention you guys needed to set prioritys if it was the case.
anyways i think UTD cant use playing 3 cups as an excuse, barca made the double last season, and they had many injurys truw out the season, milan are still playing the calcio and they are fighting to qualify to the next CL, otherwise i have to agree with the guy that mention you guys needed to set prioritys if it was the case.
TheGrimSweeper
Youth Team
Gunnersgoal22;2318861 said:Yea, everybody is right Milan deserved the win on the field, but I still strongly think that they shouldn't even have been allowed in this competition this year.
The punishment was a ******* slap on the wrist.
Milan might now win the Champions League after a season of cheating and match fixing. Not that I'm saying they will, but if they wanted to, what's to stop them from match fixing again? They'll look back and say we won the Champions League the next season they won't care if we fix the game.
or this simply proves that they dont need match fixing or anything to stop them from winning...
big al;2318862 said:
10 games in 33 days, with a second string defense and conceeding the first goal in 6 of them has nothing to do with fatigue? In previous two games, the forwards had to really work hard to pull themselves out of the hole the defense dug out for them, taking away a lot of energy. Milan at the same time used only like 3-4 players that played against United during the past two weekends. Resting pretty much all of its key players. The position Milan is fighting for in Serie A is so much less demanding than the one United is fighting for in EPL.
Barcelona didn't have their whole backline injuried during the last 6 weeks of the season, infact they had almost every first team player fit during that period and they didn't have to win 29 out of 38 games to win the league.
I agree that Milan played better and deserved to be in the final, but you just can't discard the fact that fatigue was one of the major factors why United played so badly at the San Siro.
Gunnersgoal22;2318861 said:Yea, everybody is right Milan deserved the win on the field, but I still strongly think that they shouldn't even have been allowed in this competition this year.
The punishment was a ******* slap on the wrist.
Milan might now win the Champions League after a season of cheating and match fixing. Not that I'm saying they will, but if they wanted to, what's to stop them from match fixing again? They'll look back and say we won the Champions League the next season they won't care if we fix the game.
i always had this view of this debate, who were the ones that cheated? the refs?, the coach? the owners?, or the players?, ask youself that question, but ill give you a hint, milan won everyone of those titles because of the players, milan made to the final today because of the players, one thing has nothing to do with the other really, thats the way i see it.
Help?;2318872 said:
like i mention before if it was the case then manchester should have set prioritys, its no surprise to me people are saying now the league was the priority all along; anyways try having points shaved off and still fighting for a position for the next CL and tell me if its not as demanding, you saying milan won deservedly and then saying the major reason was cause of manchester fatigue its like really saying it was undeservedly, i dont buy that really, tought milan lost the first leg we could really see what milan was all about and what they were trying to do i mean they played great even tought they lost; , its no coincidence gattuso played the exact same great first leg as the second one, plus its funny alot of poeple didnt mention this fatigue factor in he first leg and even before the second one. i just think milan erase manchester tacticly speaking, i mean were was ronaldo today just as an example; i might also think another big factor was the rain, it seem to really affected manchester.
anyways i would like you to see this highlights and hear what the commentators are saying; its pretty interesting stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eInw34AgcKw
big al;2318883 said:
I don't look at it that way. United were tired, Milan weren't, Milan took advantage of that and won, therefore they deserved to win.
You are saying about setting priorities, well both teams did. Milan set their priority by starting with only Gattuso and Seedorf against Cagliari, a few days before first leg and then by starting only with Dida, Nesta, Ambrosini, Seedorf and Pirlo. They knew that they can't achieve much in Serie A, so they played their second string teams for the past two league games.
For United however, as i said before, Ferguson, Quieroz, Saha, Scholes, Giggs, Ronaldo i think and Rooney all said before the Milan games that EPL is a priority and they want to win it the most. Which is why every player except Vidic, who just came back from injury was involved in the past two league games and not just past two, more like past 10. So there is your priorities. United had their and Milan had theirs, which resulted in Milan being much fresher for the game.
As for the argument that Milan had it tough to pull back from the point deduction, they only got 8 points deducted, it would have not been enough to even put them in second place, they would still be trailing Inter by whole 20 points, even if they started with 0 from the first game.
As for the video, the commentators are pretty much saying how United had a bad tactic and weren't fired up for the game, which is exactly what i was saying in my post a few pages ago. 4-5-1 tactic does not work and never did and Fergie should have made subs earlier than 75th minute, when it was pretty much too late. And the fired up part, is all about freshness, United were tired, Milan weren't, therefore Milan were fired up, United weren't, simple.