Arsenal F.C. Thread [2011/12]

[poet11]

I would say he was crucial with some of his goals,performances in some big games etc and gave abzolutely everzing when he played.

 

[poet11]

Benayoun is a Chelsea player who spent one year at Arsenal on loan and is now back at Chelsea where he has another year on his contract to run. Arsene bought him in last minute to add depth to a depleted squad and he was fairly successful.

The problem is that thus far Arsene Wenger does not seem to be able take any advantage from his high profile sales. The way these things should work is that clubs who have fallen out of the top tier should find talent, turn them into valuable players and sell them on at a premium (so far so good for Mr Wenger) but then use the proceeds of those sales to bring in a mix of new talent and stars with artificially low price tags and club expectations (ie quality players sitting on the bench at clubs like City or with something else artificially lowering their rep). This way you gradually increase the depth of your squad whilst having new stars come through to replace those which leave and and is the only way to get back to the top if you dont have a billionaire owner throwing money around. Wenger, however (whether through pressure from Kroenke or, as I suspect, his own stubbornness) WILL NOT reinvest this money or negotiate the sales tactically. He seems to snobbishly think that once a player is "tarnished", he is not worthy of coming to Arsenal, the club of pure football (contrast this with Redknapp who had great success putting his trust in players which were "tarnished" and therefore artificially cheap eg van der vaart or adebayor) and he seems to also believe that spending a penny more than rock bottom on a player is a waste because he has created the liked of Fabregas and van Persie from nothing (or very little) and thinks he can do it again and again and again. Yes, maybe he will have more strokes of genius like that, but those alone cant rescue a club, they take time, they do not help with the issue of depth and as a result they merely create top stars to be sold to top clubs for big fees which are absolutely useless if not reinvested or properly negotiated, and therefore the cycle continues.

The thing is that if the people who own the club do not have any ambitions of winning what can he do? Not saying Wenger is innocent and you don't need to do a Citeh to win against ******* Birmingham but it is absolutely clear that the board's only ambition is the money spinning CL place and nothing more. If they really wanted to win they would have found a way. Wenger clearly has had his role to play in selling this "self sustaining model" bull****tery and a future that never arrives but why bother trying to win if you are the highest paid manager in the whole league for coming 4th,developing and selling players?

 

[Mandieta6]

I think Yossi's Chelsea career is done, before it ever really got started.

And my point, Fili, is that Benayoun represented good value and there are much better examples to complain about e.g half your squad.

 

[Sir Calumn]

The thing is that if the people who own the club do not have any ambitions of winning what can he do? Not saying Wenger is innocent and you don't need to do a Citeh to win against ******* Birmingham but it is absolutely clear that the board's only ambition is the money spinning CL place and nothing more. If they really wanted to win they would have found a way.

You see I think Wenger is the one responsible for the financial approach. I refuse to believe that at the least the board would not have been more than happy to put the entire revenue from the Fabregas and Nasri sales completely as his disposal for reinvestment.

 

[Mandieta6]

So, this summer RVP leaves. Next summer Wilshere and the Polish keeper go. Then Vermalaen, Arteta, Sagna and Song. Then Koscielny, Oxlade, Ramsey and Walcott.

Then Squillaci will lead Arsenal to the Championship title.

 

[Sir Calumn]

Let's be fair to van Persie, for all those years he was injured 60% of the time, inconsistent, receiving the best medical treatment money can buy and top class coaching whilst being paid week in week out for not playing most of the time, he remained completely loyal to Arsenal.

 

[kp41]

Let's be fair to van Persie, for all those years he was injured 60% of the time, inconsistent, receiving the best medical treatment money can buy and top class coaching whilst being paid week in week out for not playing most of the time, he remained completely loyal to Arsenal.

your comment reminded me Ronaldo (Inter) --> Real Madrid

 

[poet11]

You see I think Wenger is the one responsible for the financial approach. I refuse to believe that at the least the board would not have been more than happy to put the entire revenue from the Fabregas and Nasri sales completely as his disposal for reinvestment.

You could say that Arsene is responsible because he is capable of meeting targets with just minimum resources and the owners use it. I used to think like you but instead of believing in a theory first if you look at what has actually been going on in detail the only theory which makes sense is the owners being the real cause of this decline.

As I've said before I DO NOT EXCUSE WENGER FROM SOME OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS NEVER ENDING "ARSENAL IN CRISIS" but I simply refuse to believe....

*he is stupid-you can't be stupid if you finish a place higher after losing two of your creative midfield,another first teamer and another key midfielder to injury. I would say he worked a miracle last season with some luck obviously but there was a lot of bad luck as well while Chelsea and Spuds got torn apart by "worst Arsenal team in 15 years". There was that Old Trafford game but unlike United vs Citeh we had to play players who hadn't played ONE senior game for us. We were a disaster against Milan and Blackburn but we beat them 3-0 and 7-1 too. We also beat Citeh and got out of a group in first place consisting of BvB and OM.

*doesn't want to win-he actually looks absolutely sick and acts like a child after a lost game. He has lost a bit of hunger but that is down to what he has been asked to achieve for such a long time.

*he loves this constant rebuilding job- "you can't pretend to be a big club if you sell Nasri and Cesc in the same window".

*doesn't want to have top class players- "I have to make a 15m profit every transfer window" or something like that when asked about Hazard.

Arsene should have been harder to the players, more proactive rather than reactive,pragmatic,less stubborn and egoistic etc but no one is perfect. Can't remember Wenger having much trouble winning with top class players- infact he was a god. No excuses for Birmingham(that season all together) but I think it was a sudden chance of winning without preparation/planning in the first place.

I am confident Wenger would have won had we had actually wanted to and had football people instead of Gazidis-CEO of a "franchise" and stupid clueless negotiators who have **** all experience in football. We are run like a business rather than a football club with expectations to win. That is the key reason- no pressure to win unless it is for a CL place. Notice how we are in title winning form when our CL place is under threat but can't handle the pressure of winning-its all because of what we want to achieve .....as simple as that.

 

[poet11]

And the reason he has a dig at City or Chelsea is because he is jealous. He was asked if Arsenal were envious of the resources of City at a press conference during a pre season Emirates Cup game and he denied straight out with a simple "no" while he was also questioned about Mata interest- i saw the video and he was clearly lying. He was positive and has always been positive without any hesitation when asked about PSG-there is no direct competition with them from Arsenal.

bdw, he lives next door to David Dein and is his best mate who is on Usmanov's side.

Nigel Winterburn as well confirmed the rumour of the transfer of Mata and Cazorla being blocked by not releasing funds as the sale of Cesc and Nasri wasn't concluded yet because of agreement over the fee.

 

[poet11]

Jovetic!!!!!! Make it happen!!!!! I know he is a bit injury prone but he is waiting to explode as a true star and Fiorentina rumoured to want Chamakh as well. If we sell RvP to Juve or whoever outside the league get Jovetic,a central midfielder(M'vila or another equally good or better alternative),deal with the full back situation and get a GK it wouldn't be too bad tbh.

It would be awesome if we kept RvP till his contract runs out and do the above. Sell Theo instead and add a wide player/cb/two good full backs to that.

Is it possible to get Nagatomo? He plays both sides,no?

 

[Arnau]

 

[Pizarro14]

Facebook whore.

Juan Vargas and Jovetic would be sweet signings!!!

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Won't happen.

 

[Mus]

Don't touch JoJo he's destined for us

 

[Sir Calumn]

Why havent you signed M'Vila yet?

 

[poet11]

Why havent you signed M'Vila yet?

There were reports about Wenger's concern re him getting into trouble off the pitch and he got into some trouble with FFF for refusing to shake hands with Blanc. He is so calm and cool on the pitch though. Don't see what the big deal is tbh and he might just need to get away from his current surroundings to settle down-RVP like.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Yeah, let's not forget that van Persie committed a rape.

 

[poet11]

What? yeah, JT must be still having a nightmares about it.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4091114.stm

 

[Sir Calumn]

If Holland is anything like Sweden, "rape" probably incorporates not telling her he loved her afterwards......