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CHELSEA FC Thread [2005-2006]

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$teauA

Superstar
Cole has no place in the Chelsea squad. Robben's problem at Chelsea is that the formation that they play in with one striker up top does not favor his style of play which is to run down balls get passed defenders and cross them in the box where others can score. If you pay attention to Chelsea games you will realize that whenver he chases down a ball like that he is forced to do more because he can't cross it cas Drogba/Crespo/Gudjohnsen (depending on who starts) is the only Chelsea player in the box. You can't tell me that Holland play the same because they don't, when Holland attacks the whole midfield goes near the box, with Chelsea it's very different.

About the game yesterday:

That was disastrous, they played like they knew they would win and when you think like that you NEVER win.
 

Seán D

fm prodigy
Rob said:
I am sick of Arjen Robben. Puts in no effort for Chelsea, I was saying this before the start of the year and during the start.

Once again I am proven right and whats worse is, the moment he plays for Holland he rips it apart. He is too scared to get injured at Chelsea.

We have to play Duff and Cole, I am convinced.
I'll take him if you don't want him!!!
 

Rob

Mourinho’s Assistant
$teauA said:
Cole has no place in the Chelsea squad.
Bollocks.

$teauA said:
Robben's problem at Chelsea is that the formation that they play in with one striker up top does not favor his style of play which is to run down balls get passed defenders and cross them in the box where others can score.
Bollocks, his problem is that he is made of glass, he doesnt run at defenders any more in his old fashion, he doesnt back track, he doesnt pass, he doesnt play the team game all elements of Mourinhos Chelsea that are needed. His shooting is erratic, and there is always someone in the box for Robben to cross too.


$teauA said:
If you pay attention to Chelsea games you will realize that whenver he chases down a ball like that he is forced to do more because he can't cross it cas Drogba/Crespo/Gudjohnsen (depending on who starts) is the only Chelsea player in the box. You can't tell me that Holland play the same because they don't, when Holland attacks the whole midfield goes near the box, with Chelsea it's very different.
Never said they did play the same system. However Robben likes to cross, theres always someone to cross to as you said ... but ... he doesnt cross. He doesnt pass, he shoots. I will pull out some video of a game if you want of atleast 5 occasions when this has occured. Crespo is one of the best at making runs in the world, Robben should pick him out eveyr time but he doesnt.

$teauA said:
About the game yesterday:

That was disastrous, they played like they knew they would win and when you think like that you NEVER win.
Worst game under Mourinho. He deserves some of the blame though. Play this at the back .... Del Horno - Terry - Gallas - Paulo Ferreira.

Simple, however he plays Gallas at LB, RB and he shouldnt because Gallas is better then RC when he pulls on a blue shirt.

Lampard and Essien seemed to be playing in the same position, bumping into each other and taking each others space.

Crespo, I have said this once, I will say it again, If we use Crespo .. play a 4-4-2 with him and Eidur upfront, goals will come.
 

Vagegast

Banned for Life [He likes P. Diddy]
Rob, just keep sending Robben his weekly check and keep him fit. Care how he performs at Stamford Bridge.
 

treble41

Senior Squad
Some newspapers are repoting that Robben has been involved in a bust up with Mourinho. If it's true, it was only a matter of time.
 

pede54

Team Captain
treble41 said:
Some newspapers are repoting that Robben has been involved in a bust up with Mourinho. If it's true, it was only a matter of time.


And if its not true....what then?.........The only place i could see this mentioned was in the Sun....yeah that piece of s.h.i.te newspaper.Even they didn't report a bust up,they said that Arjen stormed off down the tunnel when he was subbed.The rest is supposition and fantasy.
If it was true though.....why do you say it was only a matter of time?
He actually played badly against Betis and deseved to be subbed.
Talking of Betis....some good players by the way....Is it normal in Spanish football to behave like they did the other night.Dani.....have you ever seen a man behave like a little girl as he did all night?I saw Ronaldinho blatently dive for a penalty too the other night.He got the penalty and scored.I didn't hear about anyone slagging him for cheating then either.Is cheating,playacting and crying to the ref normal behaviour in Spain,or is it just these individuals who have no class or sense of sportsmanship.I quite liked the goofy one before that dive but my estimation of him has sunk fairly low now.
I know players make the most of a challenge sometimes,but when the defender does not even touch you,but you blatently dive ...is that acceptable?The referee's in Spain seem to think so.
Referee's from Luxembourg should stay in Luxembourg too.His performance was pathetic and very biased.How many cards did he issue?...11 yellows?....is that a referee in control?....Why do UEFA (wankers) allow very bad refs like this onto the same pitch as our teams when so much is at stake?
Why is grass green?....why.....why.....why........wh......w....... :fool: :ewan:
 

Vagegast

Banned for Life [He likes P. Diddy]
Rob said:
You will if it thats to evolve into his national performances.
Than we'll just replace him with... van Persie or van der Vaart... or even Zenden! I love Robben, but we're not dependent on him and he's always done well for the national team.

Maybe Mourinho can tell him how to avoid injuries and protect himself because that's one thing he's lacking.
 

TheBlueBalla

Starting XI
The performance of the referee was indeed laughable pete. He didnt let the game run and flow, and was too quick with the cards for time wasting and complaining. In trying to be a diciplinarian, he just wound everyone up, got Betis diving becuase he would heed their calls and got our own boys progressively more frustrated.

But as far as their diving goes, we played right into their hands with it. They kept going down so we went into challenges harder and harder until we ended up looking like the thugs by the end of the night. The boys too often lose their cool when a team plays so disjointedly like that


$teauA said:
Cole has no place in the Chelsea squad. Robben's problem at Chelsea is that the formation that they play in with one striker up top does not favor his style of play which is to run down balls get passed defenders and cross them in the box where others can score. If you pay attention to Chelsea games you will realize that whenver he chases down a ball like that he is forced to do more because he can't cross it cas Drogba/Crespo/Gudjohnsen (depending on who starts) is the only Chelsea player in the box. You can't tell me that Holland play the same because they don't, when Holland attacks the whole midfield goes near the box, with Chelsea it's very different.

About the game yesterday:

That was disastrous, they played like they knew they would win and when you think like that you NEVER win.
Alex, everything but your first sentence made some sense

JOE COLE HAS NOTHING LEFT TO PROVE TO BE A STARTE AT CHELSEA.
He changes positions, fights into the 11 off the bench, gives everything for the team, plays his heart out, tracks back and yet some people still arent convinced. The reason he doesnt look comfortable all the time out on the wings is that he isnt a winger, but plays there for the team benefit. I dont know what else to say in his defense. He is only gonna get better, and one day, mark my words, he will be as good as Frank is now.

In regards to Robben, I agree completely. Crossing high isnt his strong suit at all, and finding the loan player in the box is tough because he must wind it through to them. However, I think I have a vague solution. When Robben starts, in my opinion, it should be Crespo up front, and Robben should be allowed, as he did in Holland, to drift towards the center allowing Bridge or Del to come up and supplaint him on the left. He and Crespo show good linkup, and the latter is both a deadly finisher to finish off robben's passes and runs diagnally into the box, and is good in the air to pull crosses and longballs down and let Robben finish off of him. It might crowd the middle alot, especially if Frank or Guddy push up from midfield, but I think it could work.

Rob said:
I am sick of Arjen Robben. Puts in no effort for Chelsea, I was saying this before the start of the year and during the start.

Once again I am proven right and whats worse is, the moment he plays for Holland he rips it apart. He is too scared to get injured at Chelsea.

We have to play Duff and Cole, I am convinced.
Now its the flipside of the coin. All I can say is that he does look scared of contact since that Mokoena injury, and that all he can do is get stronger and work through it. But to do that, he needs games. Robben is only slightly younger than Joe, but I see him very much as our Christiano Ronaldo: tempermental, runs hot cold, gets humphy when he doesnt play. He needs to learn that he is part of the squad, and as such, be a team player. But when he gets going (and damnit, he will when he can just make that breakthrough game this year) he will set it off like he did last year



Moreira_Benfica said:
Reaction: Angry Mourinho wants answers
Tuesday, Nov 01, 2005
THAT RIGHT THERE is exactly why this loss was excellent. Jose doesnt like losing, but unlike some teams, he has the quality to turn it around at his disposal. He will kick ass in training this week, and he will make sure they know what it means to play the full 90 with passion and heart.

The mancs are in the same position, but their team unity is at an ebb, and thanks to injury they are bereft of class all over the pitch: that is why they, ordinarily, would worry me, but for the sake of the weekend, dont. We must win, and Jose will make sure that we do, and that the players leave it all out there.

treble41 said:
Some newspapers are repoting that Robben has been involved in a bust up with Mourinho. If it's true, it was only a matter of time.
Supposedly he went down the tunnel in a humph and Jose sent an assistant to talk to him. I doubt he was mad at being removed, though, as he was the second winger to change and he was really not effective in his hour out there. I'm willing to bet the frustration of his inability to break through got the best of him.

Robben is our bloody player, damnit. Lets get behind him, in a non sexual way.

Now, my thoughts on the backline:
Many people were saying Carvalho was expressly to blame for that goal. The orientation of players before the movement was something like

----B----Essien--Mak------A
--------------------------Paulo (level with the top of the 18)
-------Carvalho--------Joe/mark (level with the pen spot)
--WG-----Dani--JT
...............Cech
1. A was Paulo's mark, and he cut back inside on him
2. as he did, Mak and Essien floated in the box, but Essien, though told by Mak, didnt mark B
2. Carvalho closes down A's shot who, after leaving Paulo for a half second, steams into the box, and fires straight at goal
4. B dummies it as JT moves to mark him, and it goes straight to Dani who Billy cant close to in time
5. They scored

For some reason, the concensus is that Carvalho shouldve had the man who drifted, and who JT had to leave Dani for. I dont agree, but its exceedingly clear that Terry and Gallas works better than Terry and Carvalho with Gallas on the wing. We made that adjustment to him on the right for Liverpool and it silenced them and put a big body on crouch. Everton had guys like Ferguson, so having WG as a 3rd big body back there was equally important. In this one, he switched wings because Jose was clearly not happy with how free Joaquin got in the first game.

However, the honeymoon is over. Put Rob's backline in, with Ferreira and Del-Horno or Bridge, and the defense will be more solid, end of discussion. We have conceeded 5 in the last 4 games, and with our quality and organization that is simply unacceptable

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pede54

Team Captain
Yep good post mate......As you say ,this result is not a disaster is it? Losing a game in a group match and still sitting 2nd will do for me.Of course i'm dissapointed but i'm not gonna over react to it.The more we play teams like Betis ,with their dubious tactics,the more the team will learn how to play against different mentalities.I guess in the Prem, mainly we have honest hardworking football being played.To play against a team with such constant playacting and unsporting attitude,is a lesson that can only be learnt up close.We will learn big time from this.Jose will make them realise that they cannot let a team wind them up like that.Dont get angry ...get even,will be the message i think.We might be the brightest star in football,but we are a young side,inexperienced in what Foreign teams can throw at us.This is another lesson to learn from.One day this result will benefit us greatly,so i just aint worried about it much.Sure some of our guys just didn't cut it out there but give some credit to the Betis defence,they played well,they played hard and they played with honesty.
You know i've never been a fan of Ricci......and i wouldn't mind at all reverting back to the Terry / Gallas pairing.He's had his chance has Ricci,and i just dont think he is good enough.A great sub to have but not first choice by a long shot.
Arjen needs some games to get over his fear of injury,that is right.One day he will realise that he dont fear it any more and then we will see the Arjen of old.Its a fragile thing is the mind,but i think Jose knows how to best deal with that,and he will.....
United at the week-end.....now i AM looking forward to that one.......... :ewan:
 

treble41

Senior Squad
I agree that Gallas and Terry should be given a go together in the heart of defence, even if it's just to keep him at the Bridge. As for Robben, the wing doesn't seem to be working for him so I think that he should be played as a forward until that breakout game.

It's damn important for us to win against Manchester United, not just for the sake of our squad, but for the sake of breaking down the moral of Manchester, getting Roy Keane pissed, and making the Manchester 'crisis' look even more bigger.

Mourinho=Psychologist
 

$teauA

Superstar
I just don't like Cole, just like I didn't like Gudjohnsen. He proved me wrong but Cole hasn't yet, just because he runs everywhere like a maniac and gives it all doesn't mean that he has the playing ability necessary to play for Chelsea. When I see Chelsea play (which is a lot) I mostly just see him make really fast runs and then get stuck with 2 or 3 defenders on him and eventually loses the ball, how is that useful? I'd say that out of 10 times that he has the ball only 2 or 3 times does he actually do something useful with it.

My opinion, I don't care if you agree with it or not.
 

Fernandez

Team Captain
J. Cole does have electric pace though. But I have to admit, he loses the ball as frequent as Ronaldo has done this season so far.
 

treble41

Senior Squad
Joe Cole is just inconsistent in his performances in my opinion, not a bad player and I doubt that he'll be as good as Lampard but it's good to have him around anyways.

Here's an interesting little read:


Sir Alex accuses Chelsea of buying to block United

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson claims Chelsea are prepared to buy players just to stop them going to Old Trafford or Arsenal.

The champions visit Old Trafford tomorrow and Ferguson has revealed that the almost unlimited funds enjoyed by his Stamford Bridge counterpart, Jose Mourinho, has forced a change in his transfer tactics - particularly in the pursuit of young players.


The two clubs have been involved in a wrangle over the promising Nigerian teenager John Obi Mikel.

And Ferguson told the Independent: 'If we're doing something we have to be really quick and decisive now before Chelsea find out about it.

'I know that they're quite happy to buy somebody just to keep them away from Arsenal and United.

'They can do that because they've got that much money.'



I'm not sure if this is true, but I hope it is because I'd do the same when it ocmes to Arse. But if there's a player Sir Alex wants to buy, I'd stay away from that player.
 

pede54

Team Captain
Oh dear looks like Fergie is a voyeur too........
Does he really think that Chelsea buy players just to stop them going to Man U or Arsenal?He and Wenger might be obsessed with Chelsea but the feeling is not mutual.Man these old guys are so paranoid.Why dont they just admit that they have lost the plot instead of blaming other people....or the pitch....the time of day.....the colour of the kit......the wind ....etc etc etc.Man it just shows how scared they are of Chelsea in my opinion.


Steaua....you answered your own question about Joe Cole.The answer is right there....." I mostly just see him make really fast runs and then get stuck with 2 or 3 defenders on him "....i'd like to see what anyone could do with 2 or 3 defenders on him....There's more ...." I'd say that out of 10 times that he has the ball only 2 or 3 times does he actually do something useful with it.".....for someone who is marked by 2 defenders thats a pretty good average i would say.At the moment he is far superior to Robben ,his goals and his play this season prove that.How can you say he isn't good enough man?....Now if you were talking about Carvalho or Huth ,then i would agree with you,but not Joe...no way mate.
 

treble41

Senior Squad
Well I hope that that Cole gets the start over Robben tommorrow because I don't exactly see this as a breeze as some people do because the Glazersox have to be determined now.
 
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