FIFA 14 - User and CPU Sliders

[Fifamonkey2012]

I always feel with these sliders like a cheater. I would much more appreciate when ea had insert something similar to each teams settings. (It is the same in the end, but well, just for the feeling.)

No way!

If you treat sliders like a "tweak" for more simulated feel and behaviour thats what its for. Its not about un-balancing AI and player, so yes, if you just slow AI down and speed player up then that's obvious.

The idea (for me) is to kill off the high scoring matches and get that speed right, and get the defence doing the right things in order to get that lower scoring results. One you mess with run speed and sprint speed levels coupled with passing speed you find more tussles for ball and good moments in the box. Lowering line height means defence get in better to stop counters, and then passes error/shot error can help with getting more near misses and rid the game of pin point shots every time.

The idea is to match up both player sliders and AI so they are balanced as you lower for each, for me I tend to make player slider match that of the AI.

 

[Waldo1639]

CPU Pass Error is too low by default 50. With 50 you'll see CPU pass accuracy almost always above/or 90%. Imo, it's unrealistic that AI plays with that percentage. With Pass Error set to 55-65 you'll get 70-90%, depends on how much you want and what you think is balanced for your FIFA gameplay. Also, Red Bulls, for example, will get even lower percentage compared to teams who have quality passers.

 

[Waldo1639]

The whole engine needs to be dumped for NG IMO.

Impact Engine on current gen is pretty much at his full potential, not much space for improvements. It's limited in some options. Same as previous PES Engine who was limited in many areas before KONAMI implemented parts of FOX in their game.

 

[Ars88]

Sprint Speed - 15
Pass Error -66
Shot Speed -45
Pass Speed -18
Positioning: Marking -60
Positioning: Run Frequency -40
for user and ai

nice slow gameplay

 

[xPr0metheus]

No way!

If you treat sliders like a "tweak" for more simulated feel and behaviour thats what its for. Its not about un-balancing AI and player, so yes, if you just slow AI down and speed player up then that's obvious.

But when you do same settings for both sides, the cheating effect of the ai still is there.

For example, when I am running with a ball ai is muuch faster than me. But when ai running with a ball I am not really faster than ai with ball.
Or the fact that ai always attacking, while may players are standing around. Or ai always have perfect one touch while my players one touch most of the time is horrible.
All this cheating engine.

Here an example of my sliders:

Sprint Speed 47/46
Acceleration - 49/48
Shot Error - 50/55
Pass Error - 50/65
Shot Speed - 46/46
Pass Speed - 46/46
Injury Frequency - 50/50
Injury Severity - 50/50
Goalkeeper Ability - 50/50
Positioning: Marking - 75-85/50
Positioning: Run Frequency - 65-75/50
Positioning: Line Height - 25/50
Positioning: Line Length - 25-45/50
Positioning: Line Width - 55/55
Positioning: Fullback Positioning - 55/55
Power Bar - 50/50
First Touch Control Error - 25/55

 

[fifaCCitiu.com]

Mine:
Sprint Speed 40/40
Acceleration -50/50
Shot Error - 50/50
Pass Error - 50/50
Shot Speed - 45/45
Pass Speed - 40/40
Injury Frequency - 50/50
Injury Severity - 50/50
Goalkeeper Ability - 50/50
Positioning: Marking - 50/50
Positioning: Run Frequency - 40/40
Positioning: Line Height - 63/63
Positioning: Line Length -37/37
Positioning: Line Width - 50/50
Positioning: Fullback Positioning - 50/50
Power Bar - 50/50
First Touch Control Error -55/55

 

[bangus]

But when you do same settings for both sides, the cheating effect of the ai still is there.

Or ai always have perfect one touch while my players one touch most of the time is horrible.

All this cheating engine.

Here an example of my sliders:

Sprint Speed 47/46
Acceleration - 49/48
Shot Error - 50/55

Heh, the reason I'm enjoying the demo so much is because the CPU AI cheat/boosts aren't programmed in the demo. FINALLY we can enjoy FIFA without that nonsense. If you want to see horrible CPU cheating, wait until the full game comes out. I may just stick with the demo for that one reason.

You are right though, the CPU has a slight advantage with the default gameplay, but it's just a slider programming imbalance actually. But unlike the CPU AI cheats/boosts, this advantage can be fixed. CPU sliders need to be slightly higher/lower than User sliders in order to even things out and make the game fair. Your speed, accel and shot error sliders are good examples. The CPU needs to be one click lower with speed and accel. Shot error though requires a bigger difference because the CPU has a much easier time scoring. You have a 5 point difference while I think 10 is more accurate. But that depends on which difficulty level we're talking about. The gameplay imbalance is different on different difficulty levels, and the sliders need to be changed accordingly.

 

[Fifamonkey2012]

For example, when I am running with a ball ai is muuch faster than me. But when ai running with a ball I am not really faster than ai with ball.

Then you have spotted something you dont like and like magic you have sliders to "tweak" Remember this is all personal opinion so what one person is happy with someone else might not enjoy it that way. If you spot something counter it with sliders so what you see is balanced and experience/feel than just the slider numbers.

Im more AI centric as I like pro mode, and play all not as much so I like to see AI think and pass and a slower pace, so my sliders will probably be "running in mud" os "slomo" for someone else.

 

[Waldo1639]

Heh, the reason I'm enjoying the demo so much is because the CPU AI cheat/boosts aren't programmed in the demo. FINALLY we can enjoy FIFA without that nonsense. If you want to see horrible CPU cheating, wait until the full game comes out. I may just stick with the demo for that one reason.

It would be such an irony if full release gameplay is cheated.

 

[bangus]

It would be such an irony if full release gameplay is cheated.

Waldo, the full game will have the same CPU cheat/boost programming that FIFA has always had. There are all sorts of things that aren't programmed into the demo, and EA's emotional engine is one of them. It's their version of PES' so-called Heart system. Their emotional engine wasn't in last year's demo either which is one of the reasons why the FIFA 13 full game played differently.

 

[Waldo1639]

Waldo, the full game will have the same CPU cheat/boost that FIFA has always had. There are all sorts of things that aren't programmed into the demo and that will be in the full game, and EA's emotional engine is one of them, guaranteed. It's their version of PES' so-called Heart system. Their emotional engine wasn't in last year's demo either, which is one of the reasons why the FIFA 13 full game played differently.

But that's a shame, really. This Demo is probably the first time in years I really enjoy default FIFA gameplay. And if I remember correctly, this emotional engine can't be tweaked at all?

 

[bangus]

Remember this is all personal opinion...

Since when is anything posted on the internet NOT personal opinion?

Actually, it's more than just that. It all depends on which difficulty level one plays on, whether one plays using manual controls or assisted, and whether one is wanting to create a simulation style slider setup against the CPU, or prefers FIFA's default arcade style of gameplay. The reality is there should be a separate slider thread for each.

 

[bangus]

But that's a shame, really. This Demo is probably the first time in years I really enjoy default FIFA gameplay.

Man, so true! I quit playing FIFA between 09 and 11 because I played the console version at the time and couldn't stand the horrible CPU cheating. This demo is the first time I've truly enjoyed FIFA, it's the way I always wanted this series to play (last year's demo was good as well). I've never understood why EA wouldn't include an option to shut off the CPU cheats.

And if I remember correctly, this emotional engine can't be tweaked at all?

There are product file values that can be edited to tone down the AI cheat/boosts in career mode, yes. They don't seem to kick in as much in exhibition mode though. I can share those with you when FIFA 14 comes out if you're interested.

 

[xPr0metheus]

For me, there is another point that makes gameplay more complicated (especially shooting/passing/tackling/skill moves) i don't know which camera you use but i always you tv cam (in german Übertragung) to feel more like i would watch a game on tv. However, this makes controlling a little bit harder (at least for me)

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[bangus]

For me, there is another point that makes gameplay more complicated (especially shooting/passing/tackling/skill moves) i don't know which camera you use

True. Side cams make the pace of the gameplay appear faster. The only cam I ever use is the pro cam with modded settings to zoom in closer. The pace of the game appears slower when using the pro cam, meaning slider settings need to change accordingly:

 

[Waldo1639]

There are product file values that can be edited to tone down the AI cheat/boosts in career mode, yes. They don't seem to kick in as much in exhibition mode though. I can share those with you when FIFA 14 comes out if you're interested.

Offcourse, mate, I'm interested. 'Till the full release, I'm enjoying this Demo.

 

[MarcG]

Waldo have you got any recommended settings for the full version please? I forgot to keep a note of my FIFA13 sliders and was going to have something similar in 14 but seeing as the gameplays changed somewhat due to advanced AI characteristics it's probably best to start a fresh. Thanks.

 

[campeador]

Man, so true! I quit playing FIFA between 09 and 11 because I played the console version at the time and couldn't stand the horrible CPU cheating. This demo is the first time I've truly enjoyed FIFA, it's the way I always wanted this series to play (last year's demo was good as well). I've never understood why EA wouldn't include an option to shut off the CPU cheats.

There are product file values that can be edited to tone down the AI cheat/boosts in career mode, yes. They don't seem to kick in as much in exhibition mode though. I can share those with you when FIFA 14 comes out if you're interested.

Agreed with you in all you said. The only way you can play like in demo style is in exhibition mode.Too bad. I want full game like demo.My mistake was that i bought the game from another site(cheapest) than Origin and i cant request to be refunded. Whatever,i will sell my serial on e-bay and i will never play again fifa14. I will return to pes10-12 or fifa13

 

[Waldo1639]

Waldo have you got any recommended settings for the full version please? I forgot to keep a note of my FIFA13 sliders and was going to have something similar in 14 but seeing as the gameplays changed somewhat due to advanced AI characteristics it's probably best to start a fresh. Thanks.

I can recommend you mine sliders from Post #2, or any others from the users who posted here. I know that all sliders here are from the Demo version of the game, but I believe there isn't big gap between sliders from Demo and Full version, hopefully somebody will share more sliders. I still didn't bought FIFA 14, and from feedbacks other users gave I'm not sure will I even get it at the end. If and when I get it I'll post my sliders. I still have Demo and enjoy it. Sad, but true.

 

[campeador]

To see what fifa14 community said about full game,read this:
http://forum.ea.com/uk/posts/list/2591526.page;jsessionid=3D38265FA5B8FC38F8FB530D45725187