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Has EA finally got there finger out!

MightyTic

Senior Squad
JUST AS IT BECOMES apparent that Konami's Pro Evolution Soccer will once again have no online support when PES4 releases this Spring, an even more amazing scenario is brewing over at Electronic Arts.

FIFA 2005 is the best football game we've ever played. That's right, the series that has the most licenses now has more gameplay to boot, and while we don't doubt Konami will once again emerge with another groundbreaking title this year, it's going to take some doing to beat what EA has been up to.

Knocking the football around with FIFA 2005 is a detached delight, akin to observing a live match while holding a PS2 remote as opposed to one for the TV. PES provides concentrated gameplay even with its passing system, where unless you time your button presses to coincide with player positioning and body movement, you'll hoof a dud straight to the opposition. FIFA has always made this part easier, hence the feeling of detachment from the actual players. If you have the vision, it is possible to keep the ball going from player to player just like on TV, whereas Konami will have you thrilled at the end of a 0-0 draw at the pleasure of a clean sheet and several minutes of thumb training in demanding conditions.

If soccer is the beautiful game, EA Canada has made it so even on PlayStation 2. That's not a reference to the graphics, by the way. We all know the relative strengths of each game in this department. However, EAC has taken FIFA to a new level with animation and ball physics - and pass execution - that is a lot closer to the real thing than anything that has gone before.

Receivers now move into the pass, which tends to go a step ahead of them after skidding, rolling and bouncing with supreme authenticity. The passing and trapping is equally realistic, and even your analogue aiming threatens to ruin opportunities and put team-mates off their timing. Remember - PES has never used analogue control for anything other than filling meters (and we don't want to get picky about the fact the DualShock 2 is in fact all-digital anyway).

Something else we love about FIFA 2005 is the television-angle camera, which not only provides our favourite angle for seeing angles and action but moves like no camera before it, crossing the pitch from is central position with perfect zoom and framing. Mixed with the new animation and ball effects, you can see why the detached experience is so believable.

But it's time to talk about the single improvement that has seen the game progress not only beyond its previous iterations, but also anything we have seen from Konami to date. That improvement is the implementation of first touch control via the right analogue stick. Now, Gameplanet has seen some footage that possibly no-one else in the world has seen outside of Electronic Arts staff. It explains how the system was implemented but while we don't think we should share the specifics with you, ironically in case Konami learns all about it (that would be good for Konami but not good for football games in the long term and certainly not good for Gameplanet's chances of getting this kind of access in the future) what we can tell you is how it works during gameplay.

If you don't know what first touch is, it is simply what the player does with the ball in the moment of his first contact. As EA admits, opportunities were wasted in FIFA 2004 due to players always trapping the ball rather than doing something else with it, and trapping it in the same way no matter the situation or the player involved. First touch, which has been automated in PES based on your player positioning and movement since it was introduced two years ago, now has a legion of permutations, all determined by your input to the right stick as well as the left depending on the height of the ball. You can even score goals with it, which doesn't sound unusual in football, but now it's executed manually rather than as necessary in PES based on when you hit the shot button.

This changes FIFA 2005 from a game that lets in goals based on exploitation more than anything to an experience where the striker-keeper relationship is totally revisited. PES implemented a delay in the 'keeper's reactions that was necessary, and while frustrating in terms of realism, about the only way to balance the game. And balance has always been a hallmark of that series from evolution to evolution. Now it's a matter of tricking the 'keeper rather than simply forcing him into a compromising situation.

You can use first touch to get around a marker, or through him, or over him. You can use it to set up a long pass or a shot, or another fancy right-stick move that many players will be well versed in from FIFA 2004, both on the ball and off. And if you don't care for any of this, you can always ignore it and play without the right stick altogether, though we doubt anyone could resist the opportunity to play such a beautiful game.

Gameplanet commends Konami for sticking to hand animation to allow for instant player control rather than forcing players to put up with motion-capture cycles, but now even that has been changed in FIFA 2005. Players react immediately and we can only wait with baited breath to see what PES4 will do with its own animation, not to mention everything else.
 

Spurs4Life

Starting XI
I've got WE 8 and I got to say NOTHING will come close to that (WE 9 yes). Master League is amazing, players retire and you scout for new ones, can you do that on Fifa...no. To even say Fifa 2005 is the best game ever is a complete joke to be honest.
 

Ri0t

Club Supporter
Ok, so it's gonna be 'first-touch control' for FIFA 2005 ... is this gonna be like the 'off-the-ball control' in FIFA 2004?

All I'm saying is, it's happening all over again, they put forth new 'innovation' (that some think are useless), then blow it up over proportion, hype it up... FIFA fans would rave about it, until of course the game is finally released which always gonna be a total dissapointment. And then they wait for the next installment of the series and preach 'next one is gonna be THE ONE! I JUST KNOW IT!'

recylcle until all of them finally converted into playing PES/WE .. :P

That said.. I'm still gonna try FIFA 2005.. and if it's good, I'm gonna eat my own words.. but I won't hold my breath ;)
 

Spurs4Life

Starting XI
Originally posted by Ri0t
That said.. I'm still gonna try FIFA 2005.. and if it's good, I'm gonna eat my own words.. but I won't hold my breath ;)

Even if it is a good football game, it wont be as good as PES4 I know that for a fact.
 

common-sense

Club Supporter
Originally posted by Spurs4Life
I've got WE 8 and I got to say NOTHING will come close to that (WE 9 yes). Master League is amazing, players retire and you scout for new ones, can you do that on Fifa...no. To even say Fifa 2005 is the best game ever is a complete joke to be honest.

actually in fifa 2005 players retire and new ones are created also.
so go play your fake league and i'll play the premiership.:mrpimp:
 

thetrooper37

Senior Squad
Originally posted by common-sense
actually in fifa 2005 players retire and new ones are created also.
so go play your fake league and i'll play the premiership.:mrpimp:

Ok buddy... Just remember not to break your cd when all the bugs on fifa annoy you to death.
 

MightyTic

Senior Squad
just posted it because it looked interesting!

As for FIFA fans saing that it geat yes! but its a mag review and they say all good things about PES/3 and hope 4 is a class above.

Yet by all that has been said about WE8/PES4 an improvment yes a major step up??


I can't remember off hand but that 1st touch control with the right analog stick, is that you can control a bouncing ball with either the outside or inside of your boot depending on which way you move the analog stick, is so that would be something! for any football game.. you see I am a football fan 1st and last and I will go for the best game available be it PES or FIFA, I take no stand either way, whichever is the best that year I will go with that!
 

ishan1990

Senior Squad
Originally posted by MightyTic
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I am a football fan 1st and last and I will go for the best game available be it PES or FIFA, I take no stand either way, whichever is the best that year I will go with that! [/B]

same here, doesn't matter wich game is best, i'll play the better one
(though i'll still get both)
I do absolutely nothing each day besides football....

my only friends are those on my football team (a bit of an exaggeration maybe(H) )

maybe we should all have a bit more of an open mind about this like mightytic does...
 

Frostwolf

Starting XI
Originally posted by common-sense
actually in fifa 2005 players retire and new ones are created also.
so go play your fake league and i'll play the premiership.:mrpimp:

Fake league? Heh. You can play the Premiership in WE8.
 

aqua

Reserve Team
Every year they feel the need to come up with some sort of gimmicky selling point. Last year it was "off-the-ball control", this year it's "first-touch". But we all know that the gameplay will be "complete-and-utter-crap".

Maybe this year they really will have made a big improvement. Hang on......isn't that what we say every year, only to be disappointed.

I hope it is good. It will be great to have competition for PES. But I'm not getting my hopes up.
 

MightyTic

Senior Squad
yes awua your right , before PES became available on the PC I only had FIFA and there promises did fall flat, as the games mags that reviewed them said each time, the comments were along the lines of nice try up PES is still the king of the football sim.

But this is the 1st year I have seen a games review that said that FIFA2005 is the best football game they have ever played, I was just reading along waiting to see the BUT bit! But not as good as PES, that bit never came! In fact they said its better than PES and PES4 will have to be something specical "groundbreaking

here is piece of what they said,

" I think they used to beat it...FIFA 2005 is the best football game we've ever played. That's right, the series that has the most licenses now has more gameplay to boot, and while we don't doubt Konami will once again emerge with another groundbreaking title this year, it's going to take some doing to beat what EA has been up to."

And what theysay about PES

and while we don't doubt Konami will once again emerge with another groundbreaking title this year, it's going to take some doing to beat what EA has been up to."


But will PES4 be Groundbreaking, what I have read from the people who have WE8/PES4, while loads have been added and passing tweaked , I don't think anyone who has WE8 has said it was a brand new groundbreaking game, yes the tweaks are there and new animation too, but they have said if you have played PES3 then you'll not see that big of difference in WE8/PES4.





As I said, as a football fan I want the best game available and if this year that does turn out to be FIFA then I will buy that too!
 

Han

Senior Squad
I can't believe people still believe the promises FIFA makes every year :rolleyes: Yes, it was a magazine who told this story, but they told the same enthousiastic stories about 'off the ball running' last year. That was not really a succes and I will be VERY surprised if EA suddenly keeps their promises....

BTW I think this topic belongs in the PES/ISS/WE vs FIFA forum...
 

Frieske

Club Supporter
Fifa 2005 : Referees on the field?No way we've taken that out of the game
Fifa 2006 : Woohow guys we have a great new feature : Referees on the field :rockman:

EA is great :crazyboy:
 

number nine

Reserve Team
Re: Has EA finally got there finger out!

Originally posted by MightyTic
JUST AS IT BECOMES apparent that Konami's Pro Evolution Soccer will once again have no online support when PES4 releases this Spring, an even more amazing scenario is brewing over at Electronic Arts.

FIFA 2005 is the best football game we've ever played. That's right, the series that has the most licenses now has more gameplay to boot, and while we don't doubt Konami will once again emerge with another groundbreaking title this year, it's going to take some doing to beat what EA has been up to.

Knocking the football around with FIFA 2005 is a detached delight, akin to observing a live match while holding a PS2 remote as opposed to one for the TV. PES provides concentrated gameplay even with its passing system, where unless you time your button presses to coincide with player positioning and body movement, you'll hoof a dud straight to the opposition. FIFA has always made this part easier, hence the feeling of detachment from the actual players. If you have the vision, it is possible to keep the ball going from player to player just like on TV, whereas Konami will have you thrilled at the end of a 0-0 draw at the pleasure of a clean sheet and several minutes of thumb training in demanding conditions.

If soccer is the beautiful game, EA Canada has made it so even on PlayStation 2. That's not a reference to the graphics, by the way. We all know the relative strengths of each game in this department. However, EAC has taken FIFA to a new level with animation and ball physics - and pass execution - that is a lot closer to the real thing than anything that has gone before.

Receivers now move into the pass, which tends to go a step ahead of them after skidding, rolling and bouncing with supreme authenticity. The passing and trapping is equally realistic, and even your analogue aiming threatens to ruin opportunities and put team-mates off their timing. Remember - PES has never used analogue control for anything other than filling meters (and we don't want to get picky about the fact the DualShock 2 is in fact all-digital anyway).

Something else we love about FIFA 2005 is the television-angle camera, which not only provides our favourite angle for seeing angles and action but moves like no camera before it, crossing the pitch from is central position with perfect zoom and framing. Mixed with the new animation and ball effects, you can see why the detached experience is so believable.

But it's time to talk about the single improvement that has seen the game progress not only beyond its previous iterations, but also anything we have seen from Konami to date. That improvement is the implementation of first touch control via the right analogue stick. Now, Gameplanet has seen some footage that possibly no-one else in the world has seen outside of Electronic Arts staff. It explains how the system was implemented but while we don't think we should share the specifics with you, ironically in case Konami learns all about it (that would be good for Konami but not good for football games in the long term and certainly not good for Gameplanet's chances of getting this kind of access in the future) what we can tell you is how it works during gameplay.

If you don't know what first touch is, it is simply what the player does with the ball in the moment of his first contact. As EA admits, opportunities were wasted in FIFA 2004 due to players always trapping the ball rather than doing something else with it, and trapping it in the same way no matter the situation or the player involved. First touch, which has been automated in PES based on your player positioning and movement since it was introduced two years ago, now has a legion of permutations, all determined by your input to the right stick as well as the left depending on the height of the ball. You can even score goals with it, which doesn't sound unusual in football, but now it's executed manually rather than as necessary in PES based on when you hit the shot button.

This changes FIFA 2005 from a game that lets in goals based on exploitation more than anything to an experience where the striker-keeper relationship is totally revisited. PES implemented a delay in the 'keeper's reactions that was necessary, and while frustrating in terms of realism, about the only way to balance the game. And balance has always been a hallmark of that series from evolution to evolution. Now it's a matter of tricking the 'keeper rather than simply forcing him into a compromising situation.

You can use first touch to get around a marker, or through him, or over him. You can use it to set up a long pass or a shot, or another fancy right-stick move that many players will be well versed in from FIFA 2004, both on the ball and off. And if you don't care for any of this, you can always ignore it and play without the right stick altogether, though we doubt anyone could resist the opportunity to play such a beautiful game.

Gameplanet commends Konami for sticking to hand animation to allow for instant player control rather than forcing players to put up with motion-capture cycles, but now even that has been changed in FIFA 2005. Players react immediately and we can only wait with baited breath to see what PES4 will do with its own animation, not to mention everything else.


Where do you have that from?
 

gian

Starting XI
gusy from the whole page i read only first 6 lines (i gotta admit too much) and that's my answer. Every year sam thing happens. New gameplay engine. They start saying. Re-writen from start. Then 80% then 60% and then it's same bulls lik last year adding some dribbles which making it even more unrealistic. So EAS STOp bull****s.
 

Passanzaro

Youth Team
Re: Has EA finally got there finger out!

Originally posted by MightyTic
FIFA has always made this part easier, hence the feeling of detachment from the actual players. If you have the vision, it is possible to keep the ball going from player to player just like on TV
and u cant in pes?
we don't think we should share the specifics with you, ironically in case Konami learns all about it (that would be good for Konami but not good for football games in the long term
how would adding a good new feature to more football games be bad for them in the long term?
and certainly not good for Gameplanet's chances of getting this kind of access in the future)
i think thats got more to do with it
i think thats the more likely reason they dont want to tell
First touch, which has been automated in PES based on your player positioning and movement
Thats bs. Theres loads of stuff you can do with the first touch in pes.
 

willem

Reserve Team
I heard this last year....and the year before.....I don't think these people have ever played PES in their lives.
 


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