hmm..netherlands is missing

[MagicaRoma]

Originally posted by stonKed
My advice to all Holland vs. Italy arguing types is to try actually going and playing in those countries, rather than writing about it.

I have played in the UK, Holland and Italy and Italy has BY FAR the most talented player base in the world other than Brazil (even their embassy team of mostly ex race car drivers and polo players beat the heck out of us). It's not normal to see so many incredibly talented players in a European country, with superlative, ridiculous skills, in one country.

It's a fact. The problems with Italy are the politics behind the selections and the team strategy - if Capello was the national manager, you would see amazing changes in Italy's game - and the fact that few Italians understand the importance of team play over individual showmanship.

Good reply!!! But I hope Capello won't become the manager of the Azzuri......................because I want him to stay with La Magica (Roma)! I had my doubts last season when he made some (tactical) mistakes & played too defensively, but this season he just made us into a TEAM that plays attractive, attacking AND EFFECTIVE (SOMETHING THE DUTCH LOTS OF TIMES FORGET), not just 11 individuals! Grazie Cap!!

By the way, back to the topic (hmm, hmm), I DO miss the Dutch team in FIFA, it's a real shame, especially as there's no creation centre, in 2003 I could create it myself.

 

[penappels]

the KNVB (dutch football association) are asking a lot of money from EA.. to put the Holland Casino Eredivisie(the official name of the dutch league) or the national team in the game.. 7 times as much as other leagues were.. asking..

 

[MagicaRoma]

Originally posted by penappels
the KNVB (dutch football association) are asking a lot of money from EA.. to put the Holland Casino Eredivisie(the official name of the dutch league) or the national team in the game.. 7 times as much as other leagues were.. asking..

That's probably because they THINK they are 7 times better than the Serie A, Liga & Premiership!

 

[penappels]

talented players in italy?? hmmz.. i don't agree with you.. not at all.. look at the selection of the italion squad.. there all 25+... is there any room for talents.. in italy the most of the players reach there top on the age of 28.. the team of holland that played against scotland had an average age of 23..
5 players were under the 20.. and the made the game to wat it became (6-0)
So don't talk sh*t about talents in holland..
and what you say about playing in all these countries??
you really think anyone believes that.. i don't say i don;t believe it.. but i find it rather sad if a skillfull soccerplayer.. talks on a FIFA2004 forum

 

[MagicaRoma]

Originally posted by penappels
talented players in italy?? hmmz.. i don't agree with you.. not at all.. look at the selection of the italion squad.. there all 25+... is there any room for talents.. in italy the most of the players reach there top on the age of 28.. the team of holland that played against scotland had an average age of 23..

Sneijder, VD Vaart, Robben, but apart from that Holland doesn't have that much youth I think. Look at Holland in general (not just the last game): vd Sar, De Boer, Stam, Overmars, Cocu, Davids, they are ALL over 30!!!! And unfortunately Trapatoni doesn't use so much youth. Lately he's been trying and I can tell you, Italy has got lots of young talented players : Cassano, De Rossi, D'Agostino, Ferrari, Miccoli etc. So it's mainly a coach' decision, not a not HAVING any talent.....

 

[penappels]

Inzaghi is the biggest crap in the world as a player.. old players as Pele, Cruijff, Van Basten, Ziko.. all say he's falling star (schwalbe after schwalbe) very annoing beaviour.. it has nothing to do with football.. Milan has one good striker who fights for the squad.. Shevchenko!

 

[penappels]

i agree.. with you there.. but use younger players.. there comes a time when players as nest, maldini and other old players will stop.. the new ones gotta have some experience.. otherwise the will not make it on the international stage..

 

[penappels]

but there's a lot of talented youth.. walking around in the dutch league.. who hasnt got there chances in the national team yet..
Nigel de Jong (Ajax, scored against arsenal) John Heitinga (Very good last man, also Ajax).. Michael Lamey (Utrecht) Jan Kromkamp (AZ) Snoyl (Feyenoord)

de Boer, Cocu and vd Sar.. probably won't be joining the team at Euro 2004
Dick Advocaat anounced that

 

[MagicaRoma]

I fully agree, but like I said before, I don't lik Trapatoni and with me lots of people. If he has the guts he takes Cassano & De Rossi to Euro2004, really THE 2 biggest talents I've seen for a very, very long time. I know I'm prejudiced as I am a Roma fan, but trust me, De Rossi is so complete in midfield, nowadays you have attacking OR defensive midfielders, he combines both. And Cassano, well, what he can do with a ball is amazing & unlike others, it's not just nice to watch but it is EFFECTIVE, something others lots of times don't have. He's allready called "the new Maradona" and if he can mature more, he'll be a future Ballon d'Or winner. Not for nothing ManUtd allready wants to spend E 35 million on him. (they can FORGET getting him by the way, he won't swap beautiful Rome for ugly Manchester).

 

[MagicaRoma]

Originally posted by penappels
but there's a lot of talented youth.. walking around in the dutch league.. who hasnt got there chances in the national team yet..
Nigel de Jong (Ajax, scored against arsenal) John Heitinga (Very good last man, also Ajax).. Michael Lamey (Utrecht) Jan Kromkamp (AZ) Snoyl (Feyenoord)

Apart from the last 2 (don't really know them) I agree, especially De Jong & Heitinga impressed me a lot, they deserve a chance in the national team!

 

[stonKed]

Originally posted by penappels
talented players in italy?? hmmz.. i don't agree with you.. not at all.. look at the selection of the italion squad.. there all 25+... is there any room for talents.. in italy the most of the players reach there top on the age of 28.. the team of holland that played against scotland had an average age of 23..
5 players were under the 20.. and the made the game to wat it became (6-0)
So don't talk sh*t about talents in holland..
and what you say about playing in all these countries??
you really think anyone believes that.. i don't say i don;t believe it.. but i find it rather sad if a skillfull soccerplayer.. talks on a FIFA2004 forum

Wow, what an inferiority complex. Which makes me laugh. I never said I was a skilled soccer player (but thanks for the compliment), I just said I have played in all those countries, and if you would like to know, as part of a company team, i.e. a team made up of the best players in a corporation (note I said we were beaten by the Brazilian Embassy, which should give you the idea that I wasn't referring to professionals. That said, we also play against some semi-pro teams). I am now a freelancer, which gives me time to browse the internet and play more soccer, both on the field and on the Xbox.

I looked into the thread because I was disappointed that Holland was missing, but I heartily disagree with the blinkered, biased and unfounded opinionating going on.

Forget the flag and have a bit of humble pie, non qualifiers.

 

[americangreg]

HAHAHHAHAHA penappels, don't make me laugh.... Average age 23??? Holland a young team? You must be joking...

Average age of holland in the first match was somthing about 29,5 yrs... And for the return match they only changed 3 players, so the average age must still have been around the 26...

And when you look to U21 teams, Holland doesn't take any part on those tournaments. It are always the same teams that dominate those tournaments. Portugal, Spain, Italy...

Yeah, I'd say Italy's youngsters are better than the dutchies..

 

[16Valve]

Hey, MagicaRoma, it was good of you to point out several ties that Holland also gave but I certainly *could* have picked out dozens more ties than I did (if you still want me to I can). I just chose to point out the 0-0 ties most.

Let's face it, the Italians are KNOWN for defensive football. It's part of their history. A legacy.

Maybe there's more goals scored in Serie A because most of the Premiership is crap. It's basically a three-team league every year.
Man U, Arsenal, and someone else. This year it's Chelsea. Sometimes Newcastle and Liverpool join in.
I'd say that the Serie A has more quality teams overall, top to bottom.
Saying that the Serie A scores more goals says nothing about Italian (team side) football overall. Holland has a history of attacking, creative football. Especially in the early 70's until the mid-80's. You could go waaaay back and find the same sort of scores for Italy.

I guess we can agree to disagree. Enough banging our heads against the wall. I hate Italian football, you hate your own team
I'd still like to see the dutch in FIFA. I suppose we can gree on that.

 

[ekardo]

Originally posted by 16Valve

I'd still like to see the dutch in FIFA. I suppose we can gree on that.

yes...please stick to the topic..


where to get the patch ??

 

[pAtkL27]

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