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dsh
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Eh...if you say so...I haven't got much faith in the English team these days regardless.
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HOW IS BRAZIL STILL #1 IN THE WORLD
- Thread starter Italia#1
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[the brazilian national side has obviously have not been playing great soccer]
Yes, I guess that Brasil just isn't great because they haven't decided to stick 10 players in the box during an entire game. Damn, they should really stop attacking and play ultra-defensively from now on so they can match up to those incredible Italians.
Their strikers should also stop shooting on goal and miss the best opportunities that may be given to them. Then, and ONLY then will they become truly number one !
[i just want others opinions, i dont need you to state the obvious]
Well buddy, you should be speaking for yourself, especially since you 'already knew' that the world rankings are based on point accumulations for past tournaments and matches won. The FIFA/COCA-COLA World Rankings are not accurate on terms of actual skill, but consistency and frequency in obtaining victories. But I'm sure you had already realized that.
[Man ,you guys dont accept the defeat ,dont you?Geez you lost to France ,bottom line]
Yeah, same goes for you. Tell your Italian bosom buddies the same, if you're going to tell the Brasilian supporters that they cannot offer their opinion on their team's loss. After all the posts and excuses you have given for your own team, they are entitled to the same. Isn't it funny how there are double standards here in this forum ? No, the Brasilians cannot say that they shouldn't have lost that game, but the Italians can sure as hell say what they want about their own losses. That's cute, but that's not the way it works.
Juninhio:
Don't even worry about what they have to say. FIFA determines who's best, not Paolo_Rossi or Italia#1. Look at it this way, at least they're not complaining about their own team being at #1. They have the maturity to recognize that their own team doesn't deserve to be up there yet.
I can't wait until World Cup 2002, where all of you bitter punks (And I mean everyone who is fighting about who is best)will get your chance to see who's the best in the world. I root for my home team always, but I'm open-minded and accept that other teams may perform incredibly great. Brasil will be one of these, Portugal, France, Argentina, Mexico, Chile, England, and possibly a new Germany will arise to show all who really is the best. Until then, France is #1 in skill, Brasil is #1 in accomplishment.
TeKNoS
Yes, I guess that Brasil just isn't great because they haven't decided to stick 10 players in the box during an entire game. Damn, they should really stop attacking and play ultra-defensively from now on so they can match up to those incredible Italians.
Their strikers should also stop shooting on goal and miss the best opportunities that may be given to them. Then, and ONLY then will they become truly number one !
[i just want others opinions, i dont need you to state the obvious]
Well buddy, you should be speaking for yourself, especially since you 'already knew' that the world rankings are based on point accumulations for past tournaments and matches won. The FIFA/COCA-COLA World Rankings are not accurate on terms of actual skill, but consistency and frequency in obtaining victories. But I'm sure you had already realized that.
[Man ,you guys dont accept the defeat ,dont you?Geez you lost to France ,bottom line]
Yeah, same goes for you. Tell your Italian bosom buddies the same, if you're going to tell the Brasilian supporters that they cannot offer their opinion on their team's loss. After all the posts and excuses you have given for your own team, they are entitled to the same. Isn't it funny how there are double standards here in this forum ? No, the Brasilians cannot say that they shouldn't have lost that game, but the Italians can sure as hell say what they want about their own losses. That's cute, but that's not the way it works.
Juninhio:
Don't even worry about what they have to say. FIFA determines who's best, not Paolo_Rossi or Italia#1. Look at it this way, at least they're not complaining about their own team being at #1. They have the maturity to recognize that their own team doesn't deserve to be up there yet.
I can't wait until World Cup 2002, where all of you bitter punks (And I mean everyone who is fighting about who is best)will get your chance to see who's the best in the world. I root for my home team always, but I'm open-minded and accept that other teams may perform incredibly great. Brasil will be one of these, Portugal, France, Argentina, Mexico, Chile, England, and possibly a new Germany will arise to show all who really is the best. Until then, France is #1 in skill, Brasil is #1 in accomplishment.
TeKNoS
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PolishPower
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Juninho- betting lines are a pretty good indicator of how the betting is going, but sometimes not so good as to actual quality. So that is why England might be 4th favorite. If the bookie is based in England he will get a lot of bets on England to win the cup so therefore you'd expect the odds on England to be better than they would be if rated objectively.
Another example: in Las Vegas odds on New York and LA area teams are usually inflated because those teams have many supporters who will bet on them to win no matter what their actuall quality is.
Also don't worry the sport books have the odds figured out that no matter what happens they never lose money in the long run.
Another example: in Las Vegas odds on New York and LA area teams are usually inflated because those teams have many supporters who will bet on them to win no matter what their actuall quality is.
Also don't worry the sport books have the odds figured out that no matter what happens they never lose money in the long run.
i still rate Brasil as #1 for skill tho
i base this on: if France and Brasil were to field their best teams tomorrow in a neutral ground.. Brasil woud win. In my humble opinion. So France beat a 2nd-rate Brasil side at home.. if they consistently beat Brasil , thats another story - but that is not the case
i base this on: if France and Brasil were to field their best teams tomorrow in a neutral ground.. Brasil woud win. In my humble opinion. So France beat a 2nd-rate Brasil side at home.. if they consistently beat Brasil , thats another story - but that is not the case
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Paolo_Rossi
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Brazil no. 1 ,hahahahahaha .Odds of winning the world cup doesnt mean shit ,look at WC 98 ,Brazil were favorites and they didnt win ,in 94 italy were 4th favorites and they reached the finals .France will kick Brazil's ass like they did in 98 .It seems that everyone that aint brazilian agree that they shouldnt be first ,I wonder why ?Cause you Brazilians think that you can beat anyone very easily and win each tournament easily .Thanks god ,France kicked their ass ,cause it shut their mouth instead of yelling that they are number one and stuff .
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Juninhio
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Really, everyone besides Brasilians think France are no 1?? I guess the entire group that ranks teams are all Brasilian. So are all the international coaches that decide who should be ranked what.
Face it players like Roberto Carlos Rivaldo Emerson etc are better than crap Italy could ever produce. Thats why you Italians always cry about Brasil.
I never met a non Italian who didn't hate Brasil. I guess you still think we hurt you too bad in 1994.
Oh well our defense was much superior in 1994 along with our attach.
Pablo, fact Brasil made it to the finals 2 times in a row. Has Italy even scored more than 2 goals ever in a game?
Face it man fans of soccer love Brasil and all of the Brasil fans along with neutrals realize that Brasil could beat the hell out of Italy with a under 23 side.
Sorry but I need to see France win somewhere else besides france before they become no 1.
I mean come on they missed the previous 2 world cups. Lets see what happens in 2002. Brasil odds on to win it. Italy?? Maybe second stage?
Face it players like Roberto Carlos Rivaldo Emerson etc are better than crap Italy could ever produce. Thats why you Italians always cry about Brasil.
I never met a non Italian who didn't hate Brasil. I guess you still think we hurt you too bad in 1994.
Oh well our defense was much superior in 1994 along with our attach.
Pablo, fact Brasil made it to the finals 2 times in a row. Has Italy even scored more than 2 goals ever in a game?
Face it man fans of soccer love Brasil and all of the Brasil fans along with neutrals realize that Brasil could beat the hell out of Italy with a under 23 side.
Sorry but I need to see France win somewhere else besides france before they become no 1.
I mean come on they missed the previous 2 world cups. Lets see what happens in 2002. Brasil odds on to win it. Italy?? Maybe second stage?
[and stuff.]
I think the appropiate expression that should follow that comment should be DUH !!!
I can't believe how utterly immature and stupid you are. You have posted for months and months just because some people on this forum believe their team to be number one. I don't really see why that bothers me so much. Anyone could walk up to me on the street and say, "Hey, your team sucks, mine is number one !" and I would just shrug and walk away without thinking twice about it.
France will kick Brasil's ass. Hmmm, I guess you've already deemed yourself as a prophet. France is a great team, without a doubt, but I don't know how you can keep saying such foolish things as "Brasil sucks," when they've won 4 World Cups and provide many more players to more foreign sides than any other nation in the world. You even go so far as posting about why the FIFA rankings still rank them as number one, as if that "bothers" you or something.
You also say that you never provided excuses for your own team's losses against France, but as I remember, at the end of Euro 2000 that sums up pretty much all of what you did. You posted numerous comments about how Italy deserved to win, and how ultra-defensive tactics such as sticking 10 players in the penalty box are much more superior to other strategies around the world.
I really have no idea what you have against Brasilian supporters, but it's getting lame. Just stop the crap here, and so will the rest. Ask Juninhio and the others to stop posting about the same and I'm sure he'll want to stop too. In your mind Brasil sucks, but in the minds of millions around the world, they are still one of the top football nations. Accept that and so will everyone else about the fact that France and Italy are also top nations. Enough is enough.
TeKNoS
I think the appropiate expression that should follow that comment should be DUH !!!
I can't believe how utterly immature and stupid you are. You have posted for months and months just because some people on this forum believe their team to be number one. I don't really see why that bothers me so much. Anyone could walk up to me on the street and say, "Hey, your team sucks, mine is number one !" and I would just shrug and walk away without thinking twice about it.
France will kick Brasil's ass. Hmmm, I guess you've already deemed yourself as a prophet. France is a great team, without a doubt, but I don't know how you can keep saying such foolish things as "Brasil sucks," when they've won 4 World Cups and provide many more players to more foreign sides than any other nation in the world. You even go so far as posting about why the FIFA rankings still rank them as number one, as if that "bothers" you or something.
You also say that you never provided excuses for your own team's losses against France, but as I remember, at the end of Euro 2000 that sums up pretty much all of what you did. You posted numerous comments about how Italy deserved to win, and how ultra-defensive tactics such as sticking 10 players in the penalty box are much more superior to other strategies around the world.
I really have no idea what you have against Brasilian supporters, but it's getting lame. Just stop the crap here, and so will the rest. Ask Juninhio and the others to stop posting about the same and I'm sure he'll want to stop too. In your mind Brasil sucks, but in the minds of millions around the world, they are still one of the top football nations. Accept that and so will everyone else about the fact that France and Italy are also top nations. Enough is enough.
TeKNoS
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Paolo_Rossi
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Whats your point of Italy putting 10 men in the box ?At least they are succesfull at it .And why do u bring the 1994 world cup finals .Thas over 6 years ago ,its like saying hahaha ,Italy beat Brazil in 1982 ,both are a long time ago and i still have the 1982 tape where they beat Brazil and the way that Paolo Rossi manhandled Brazil all by himself .So i dont give a crap about 94 ,and you say Brazil had a good defense ,but Italy didnt even attacked so how can you say brazil\'s defense was solid when Italy never tried to score .You should say instead how Italy stopped Brazil's attack .I know what you are going to say ,that brazil had chances ,big deal ,they couldnt convert on them just like Holland .I can see it now ,World cup 2002 finals ,Italy vs Brazil ,Italy puts everyone behind in the box ,despite Brazil's attack ,most shots go wide or Straight at the goalkeeper .Toldo is unstoppable ,nobody can score on him and the penalty shots ,Toldo does the exact thing that he did against Holland and stop most of Brazil's shot cause of his big height ,something pagliuca never had with italy in the past .
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ForzaAzzurri
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"We all know u over-rate Italy
and under-rate Brasil"
And we all know that you overrate Brazil and underrate Italy.
Enough of this stupid argument, all right?
and under-rate Brasil"
And we all know that you overrate Brazil and underrate Italy.
Enough of this stupid argument, all right?
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Juninhio
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You patethic Italians who hate Brasil have no reason to cry. Professionals rank the teams and have ranked Brasil 1st.
Man you guys must really hate Brasil to want even France to be above them. I mean they fucked you guys hard 2 times deservingly.
And yes Brasil's defense was superior to Italy's in 1994. We didnt lose any games like Italy and had only 2 goals against us in the whole tournement. A record.
Its the first time the best attacking team was the best defense team. And by 2002 our defenders will be world class again to complement our superior attack.
Man you guys must really hate Brasil to want even France to be above them. I mean they fucked you guys hard 2 times deservingly.
And yes Brasil's defense was superior to Italy's in 1994. We didnt lose any games like Italy and had only 2 goals against us in the whole tournement. A record.
Its the first time the best attacking team was the best defense team. And by 2002 our defenders will be world class again to complement our superior attack.
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ForzaAzzurri
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You just don't get it, do you?
We don't hate Brazil, we just have a problem with people with an attitude like yours (I'm not even Italian btw, I just really love Italy and Italian football).
What the hell is your problem? Can't you accept the fact that France is the best team in the world right now? As you well know, but refuse to admit, Brazil is not ranked 1st because "professionals understand they have the best team", but because they've had the most success internationally than any other team. The FIFA rankings are screwed up, and you know it. Come on, everybody admits, why can't you? France has the best team in the world, and they've consistently shown it over the past 2 years. That's why they're World and European champions.
I'm not saying Brazil sucks. Of course not. They're just not better than France.
And what is you problem with Italian fans? We all see how blindly you follow Brazil. Why can't you have respect for people who do the same for their own country?
We support the Italian team because they play their hearts out in every game, and have been doing so for years. It hurts us to see that all that hard work still hasn't paid off. They've been getting screwed at penalties in the past 3 World Cups, and now the EURO2000 disappointment just adds to that long list. In 94, they held off a clearly superior Brazilian side for 120 minutes, even with an injured Roberto Baggio who had carried them single-handedly to the final, only to lose at penalties. In 98, the same deal, losing at penalties to the future world champions. And now the way they lost EURO2000. See what I'm getting at? They deserve to finally win something. That's why we support them so much. Why do you have a problem with that?
We don't hate Brazil, we just have a problem with people with an attitude like yours (I'm not even Italian btw, I just really love Italy and Italian football).
What the hell is your problem? Can't you accept the fact that France is the best team in the world right now? As you well know, but refuse to admit, Brazil is not ranked 1st because "professionals understand they have the best team", but because they've had the most success internationally than any other team. The FIFA rankings are screwed up, and you know it. Come on, everybody admits, why can't you? France has the best team in the world, and they've consistently shown it over the past 2 years. That's why they're World and European champions.
I'm not saying Brazil sucks. Of course not. They're just not better than France.
And what is you problem with Italian fans? We all see how blindly you follow Brazil. Why can't you have respect for people who do the same for their own country?
We support the Italian team because they play their hearts out in every game, and have been doing so for years. It hurts us to see that all that hard work still hasn't paid off. They've been getting screwed at penalties in the past 3 World Cups, and now the EURO2000 disappointment just adds to that long list. In 94, they held off a clearly superior Brazilian side for 120 minutes, even with an injured Roberto Baggio who had carried them single-handedly to the final, only to lose at penalties. In 98, the same deal, losing at penalties to the future world champions. And now the way they lost EURO2000. See what I'm getting at? They deserve to finally win something. That's why we support them so much. Why do you have a problem with that?
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Paolo_Rossi
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Who says that im jealous of Brazil ?Brazil is a good football team ,but its people like you who i dont like .You guys never accept defeat and always try to find excuses ,Junhinio keeps talking about the 1994 world cup ,wich is a very long time ago and how Brazil were unfit in the world cup 98 wich is the dumbest excuse ,Brazil did not have a good 98 world cup ,they lost to Norway ,they battled a hard victory over Denmark ,a game where the Laudrup brothers almost did the impossible .Holland were also a very worthy opponent that also could of beatten brazil if only they knew how to take penalties and France,nuff said .Im not trying to say Brazil sucks ,but you fans always insult every country including Italy .
The most stupidest argument has to be Junhinio when he says that Italyt play defensive football and that they deserve to lose becuase they play defensive .How stupid is that ,first of all ,who said that playing defense is a crime .Italy was the first team to play very defensively in the 1930's wich brought them 2 world cups ,they are the masters of keeping a 1-0 lead in their side and have the most succesfull rate at it .I agree that Brazil have a good side ,but when you start dissing italy saying that they dont deserve to beat holland and other crap like that ,it proves how stupid you are .Do u know how Italy battled hard against Holland ?Did you see how tired the italian players were ?Did you see all the efforts they put out so that they can go to penalty shots ?Did u ever see a 32 year old defensemen last 120 minutes before ?Did you also see Italy's statistical shooting record ?They had scored 1 goal per every 3 shots .something Holand or even France cant even match up to .Instead of dissing their tactics ,you should applaud for the effort they give each game ,they fight hard for a win ,but usually they get the job done .
The most stupidest argument has to be Junhinio when he says that Italyt play defensive football and that they deserve to lose becuase they play defensive .How stupid is that ,first of all ,who said that playing defense is a crime .Italy was the first team to play very defensively in the 1930's wich brought them 2 world cups ,they are the masters of keeping a 1-0 lead in their side and have the most succesfull rate at it .I agree that Brazil have a good side ,but when you start dissing italy saying that they dont deserve to beat holland and other crap like that ,it proves how stupid you are .Do u know how Italy battled hard against Holland ?Did you see how tired the italian players were ?Did you see all the efforts they put out so that they can go to penalty shots ?Did u ever see a 32 year old defensemen last 120 minutes before ?Did you also see Italy's statistical shooting record ?They had scored 1 goal per every 3 shots .something Holand or even France cant even match up to .Instead of dissing their tactics ,you should applaud for the effort they give each game ,they fight hard for a win ,but usually they get the job done .
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Juninhio
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I love how Brasil being number 1 seems to be some in justice to you Italians. Its like it really effects you.
Here is my question how is Italy in the top ten?? They beat one team of decent standing in 2 years - Netherlands. On penalties.
Wow victory against Belgium, (after losing a game), Turkey what a history they got (and all it took was a dive), oh wait Romania and their senior citizens who were down 10 men. Sweden who were all but out. Such a great team really deserving of the top 10.
I mean you guys must really hate Brasil to start these kind of threads. I dont cry about Brasil's loss in 1982 why do you still hate brasil for what we did to you in 1994?
How does it bother you?? I'll say it again I dont rank Brasil Professionals do and in 2 years Brasil lost only 1 time to a world power France. In a game held in france when THE POPULAR CONSENSUS is that Brasil were below their best that day and france was at their best.
Here is my question how is Italy in the top ten?? They beat one team of decent standing in 2 years - Netherlands. On penalties.
Wow victory against Belgium, (after losing a game), Turkey what a history they got (and all it took was a dive), oh wait Romania and their senior citizens who were down 10 men. Sweden who were all but out. Such a great team really deserving of the top 10.
I mean you guys must really hate Brasil to start these kind of threads. I dont cry about Brasil's loss in 1982 why do you still hate brasil for what we did to you in 1994?
How does it bother you?? I'll say it again I dont rank Brasil Professionals do and in 2 years Brasil lost only 1 time to a world power France. In a game held in france when THE POPULAR CONSENSUS is that Brasil were below their best that day and france was at their best.
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Paolo_Rossi
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Another thing ,to answer your question ,I dont hate Brazil ,but I dont like them either ,they are neutral to me .
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Juninhio
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Lets see countries Brasil has had to play in tournements within the last 2 years:
Holland Argentina
Countries Italy has had to play
Holland
Man you guys are pathetic. What difference is it to you if Brasil is ranked one. How does it bother you. In my opinions there is no need for rankings because they only sprout you fools who will always critisize them.
In the last two world cups brasil one one and made it to the finals once.
In the last two copa americas brasil won both.
Thats 3 out of 4 tournements. Thats why they are ranked 1.
Get over it.
Holland Argentina
Countries Italy has had to play
Holland
Man you guys are pathetic. What difference is it to you if Brasil is ranked one. How does it bother you. In my opinions there is no need for rankings because they only sprout you fools who will always critisize them.
In the last two world cups brasil one one and made it to the finals once.
In the last two copa americas brasil won both.
Thats 3 out of 4 tournements. Thats why they are ranked 1.
Get over it.
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Paolo_Rossi
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Junhinio ,whats your point ?So Brazil played one good team more than Italy ,so what does that have to do with anything ?I dont know why you are always trying to find something like this stupid argument .What do u want Italy to do ,ask fifa to give them all the best teams in the same group for the WC qualifyers ?All these things come in random .
Paolo_Rossi:
The point he's trying to make is:
Don't undermine Brasil's skills and accomplishments on basis of your own personal bias against that nation. The teams Brasil has to play are far superior to the teams that Italy and France has had to play recently. Therefore, they are still and will be a top footballing nation, whether you like it or not.
And about the FIFA scheduling thing...shut the f*ck up. That was just plain stupid. Nuff said.
TeKNoS
The point he's trying to make is:
Don't undermine Brasil's skills and accomplishments on basis of your own personal bias against that nation. The teams Brasil has to play are far superior to the teams that Italy and France has had to play recently. Therefore, they are still and will be a top footballing nation, whether you like it or not.
And about the FIFA scheduling thing...shut the f*ck up. That was just plain stupid. Nuff said.
TeKNoS