London Underground Explosions

[FFC2004]

I understand why you might think this mate,and sure we have a few boneheads over here,but generally speaking,nobody is gonna want to harm you just because you might be a muslim or you aint white.If you want to come to London to study,then come on over and do that.You will be most welcome in what is probably the most culturally diverse, harmonious and tolerant Capital city in the world.

 

[INFESTA]

* Tips hat at -William-, Joe Star and Phil. [Yes, I'm a bitter old man]

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Back to the real world, there was news here one portuguese injured in the blasts, but apparently the guy is from Colombia.

 

[The_Knight]

I understand why you might think this mate,and sure we have a few boneheads over here,but generally speaking,nobody is gonna want to harm you just because you might be a muslim or you aint white.If you want to come to London to study,then come on over and do that.You will be most welcome in what is probably the most culturally diverse, harmonious and tolerant Capital city in the world.

Thank you so much, I actually love the country and was one of the happiest when I knew it won the 2012 olympics race... (I believe it will be one of the best olympics ever) but......

I'm talking about the hundreds of muslim job applicants that will be dismissed for having an 'ahmed' or 'mohammed' in their family names... I'm talking about the known muslim stores that will have their sales massively lowered to the extent of bankrupcy, driving many innocent families to fast poverty... I know many youth -such as myself- that were counting on paying thousands to simply find an already difficultly obtained residency or internship in a British hospital to have written on their resumes... Many marriages postponed... many families leaving the country and heading elsewhere to start a brand new life.... this is the REAL terror that already happened with countless families in the US post 9/11 and will happen again in England... maybe on a lower scale... but still inevitable...

How about if I had a daughter over there... with all the media campaigning against muslims, how comfortable should I feel when she walks alone in the street? Or if I had a wife walking with her scarf on in the streets? How dangerous could this 'boneheaded' minority be... Myself, personally -till this moment- shall suffer the least... I am white and mistaken a lot for a foreigner, and I don't have a family or children to worry about... but I do have a future that is always put on the line of jepordy after each attack of the same nature... ironically, a common unaffected british man in London could be suffering the least compared to another fellow counting on a small window of opportunity to start his entire marital life on the other half of the globe...

The MRCP exams are the toughest world-wide... young men spend fortunes (its really expensive) and years of studing just to be accepted... I sure hope things don't go as bad as I think they will for the others who already paid and got hooked up in the deal... and I really hope they get the bastards responsible for the attacks first thing in the morning.... Amen to that.

But definetly as you said, England, being one of the most culturally diverse, harmonious and tolerant countries in world, will have a considerably better reaction than the attacks in US... and I've seen the English people's reactions on ABC Primetime... the solidarity of your people is amazing, only contributing to the magnificent country it already is.

 

[nird]

RIP to those who lost their lives, and those who lost friends and family memebers; my deepest compassion

 

[::shinji::]

I'm talking about the hundreds of muslim job applicants that will be dismissed for having an 'ahmed' or 'mohammed' in their family names... I'm talking about the known muslim stores that will have their sales massively lowered to the extent of bankrupcy, driving many innocent families to fast poverty... I know many youth -such as myself- that were counting on paying thousands to simply find an already difficultly obtained residency or internship in a British hospital to have written on their resumes... Many marriages postponed... many families leaving the country and heading elsewhere to start a brand new life.... this is the REAL terror that already happened with countless families in the US post 9/11 and will happen again in England... maybe on a lower scale... but still inevitable...

Those are very unfortunate consequences and I can imagine their lives must be under daily stress, but don't call it the "REAL terror", I'd save that term for the poor innocent individuals who were blown apart in the terrorist attacks, and their families, children, and friends. I can well imagine many of those who lost loved one's would be telling you to cry them a river if they heard someone talking about resumes and postponed marriages at this moment in time.

 

[Joe]

Weird

We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused.

I find this extremely ironic. That actually sounds like a Satanic code. Essentially the code says if someone messes with you, warn them once, if they continue to do what they're doing "destroy them." Very interesting.

 

[Jambo Den]

The_Knight, you have fairly legitimate concerns. Certainly the feel I'm getting from the British media is not one of an anti-Islam nature. I think at the very least the vast, vast majority of the public are more than able to distinguish between your average Muslim and the breasts that call themselves Al-Qaeda. Particularly in the medical field, where if it wasn't for the prescence of Asian (Pakistani) doctors, the NHS would be well and truly shafted - hell, I bet plenty of Muslims were the first on the scene of the attacks. Bear in mind, there is a very large Muslim popluation in the UK, especially in London.

Interesting wee word is terrorism. The objective of terrorists? To terrorise. If you feel afraid of coming to Britiain, afraid of a country you say you love, I'd say that the terrorists have won. Does anyone want that (bar the idiots who perpetuate this pish)? Believe me, nobody I know has been wrapped up in a sense of blind nationalism a la Americans. A city as ethnically diverse as London... well, Muslim/Arabic people have become a fairly large part of London. You'd be surprised just how much! The only thing people are very vociferous about, however is that British values and freedom will not be defeated or impaired because of the actions of the terrorists. Apart from that, there certainly hasn't been any xenophobic backlash that I know of. The tabloids will probably have something different to say, but hey, they're comics and not much more.

Oh yeah, what's with this buttering up of the English? They're sh*te. As the intelligent person you are Knight, I'm sure you'll be aware that Britain does not equal England.

Another interesting wee thing, noticed how many white people there are in London on the news? Incredibly un-London like.

 

[The_Knight]

Those are very unfortunate consequences and I can imagine their lives must be under daily stress, but don't call it the "REAL terror", I'd save that term for the poor innocent individuals who were blown apart in the terrorist attacks, and their families, children, and friends. I can well imagine many of those who lost loved one's would be telling you to cry them a river if they heard someone talking about resumes and postponed marriages at this moment in time.

Definetly right... it may better be called an 'unnoticed' relative terror... nothing is more terrorizing than the loss of countless innocent lives trying to make an honest and decent living.

But of course, many of you have probably seen FOX's hit show '24'... okay I can't deny its charm... the amazingly designed characters and sequence of events... the superb direction and production... but over all, this show, has VERY VIVIDLY shown to every viewer how an innocent-looking muslim neighbor, Doctor, or college student, could be a terrorist hiding behind a friendly smile of gratitude... And we all know that a serial killer, muderer or a terrorist isn't a long bearded guy running in the streets drooling saliva while frantically waving a knife in the air.... He's most probably a decent well-dressed person no-one would suspect.... Now add the previous 2 facts mentioned to the late attacks in London and talk to me about the looks of suspicion a decent looking muslim would get over there... now multiply that to a stranger young muslim who 'says' he's come to apply for an internship... having considering the fact that many other people all around the world apply for jobs in the UK.... careers are most likely to roll.... but again, I am strongly relying on the cultural diversity the UK enjoys more than many other nations in the world...

Again I'm relating from the post 9/11 anti-islamic campaign in the US.... add to that the hundreds of wrongfully arrested... wrongfully accused... it was a real tragedy and twist in history of which we -where we live- hear lots of countless heart-breaking stories about which western media is seldomly interested in...

Certainly the feel I'm getting from the British media is not one of an anti-Islam nature. I think at the very least the vast, vast majority of the public are more than able to distinguish between your average Muslim and the breasts that call themselves Al-Qaeda.

Well THANK you for saying that... to be frank I haven't been watching the BBC... only ABC and CNN... and having headlines on CNN like 'Blair blames attacks on muslims' wasn't so friendly.... it only flashed for like 5 seconds but it didn't leave me expecting any better....

Oh and nice one about the news bit...

I hope the 'Londoners' get over this tragic event, if anything it should make them stronger and more determined.... "what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"..am I right? And I do like Britian's moderacy... and I found in a quick comparison, that Paris was relying on its 'charm' in the olympics race whereas London relyed on its capabilities.... Paris sure is overqualified but the better ones won...

It's also good to know none of the UK forum users have a dear one affected by the incident... I wish no-one finds himself in such a situation...

 

[FFC2004]

I think everyone understands the fact that not every Muslim is a terrorist and will try to do their best, as indivduals even, to prevent discrimination. It's always going to happen a little amount, because that's war, which is what this all is. I personally don't think it will be that bad, I think most Londoners have the common sense to understand that not every Muslim will be a terrorist.

 

[panxoman]

If that's ur personal opinion then say so, althought unfortunately there is no room for agitating personal opinions concerning these facts.... but if you're THAT KEEN on spreading misinformation that will only lead to more misunderstanding and terror then SHAME ON YOU.

The_Knight, I didn't choosed well my words. That's my fault. but I still think it's time to muslims in general to do somethinmg to stop this.

You talk about Iraq war as a cause, but you've seen demostrations with thousand of people against this war and its "causes". You've seen both in Madrid and in London ... and in most other western cities.

I would love to see such big demostration in muslim countries against terrorism.

When I said ashamed, it was because I think most people in western countres is ashamed by our way of defending democracy and they show it. There's a social concern about this.

I would like to see the people in muslim countries to do the same and see that there's a social movement against this terrorism.

I think I'm not extremist to ask muslins (in general) to show that they are ashamed of having some of them using tehir name for terrorism, the same way that most western people is ahsamed of democracy is being "defended" in Iraq.

 

[pede54]

Knight......you gotta stop watching channels like CNN man,I also have watched this channel out of curiosity just to see how they present this particular atrocity.As usual they are Xenophobic and narrow minded.Just find another news channel mate because CNN does not and will never represent the thoughts of people in the UK.You gotta remember that this City has been living with terrorism in one form or another for all of my lifetime.First the IRA and now this.This City has a deep understanding of dealing with terrorism,as do the whole of the UK.We have lived with it for so long now.Sure incidents like this are horrible and barbaric but we have learned over the years not to condemn an entire race or creed or religion over the actions of a few nutters who "claim" to represent an entire peoples.The Muslim council of the UK have issued statements condemning the barbaric violence that occured in London.The vast majority of Muslims in the UK deplore these murderers killing innocent people under the umbrella of Islam.UK residents are also more familiar with the basics of Islam than many give them credit for,and we know that the Koran forbids it.So like the renegade Irish before them,we are very aware that this handful of scumbags do not represent the nation of Islam.Knee jerk reaction do not occur so much over here as they might elsewhere.We in the UK deeply understand the ins ond outs of a conflict like this.We are an informed and intelligent population in the main,and only the neanderthal amongst us would be so quick to condemn everyone for the actions of a few.The media are not gung ho over these kind of incidents any more either.Generally we get a fair and honest account of anything that occurs,and any newspaper that might try to create a negative slant on something like this is soon held up to ridicule and severly condemned.So really,there is not a lot of chance that you will be singled out or targetted as a "dodgy alien".If i go into the City's square mile,i too would expect to be searched and I.D. shown.That is sensible,and if it didnt happen ,thats when i would worry,but you will not get treated any differently than me,i can assure you of that.Do not let the terrorists win mate.Get yourself over here and live your life as a free man.Do you think the bombings stopped London living its life ?The very next day life was generally back to normal.People going to work,relaxing in the park,just everyday things.Terrorism really does not deter the majority of us from living a normal life,its always been there in the background and we just deal with it.

 

[adj137]

yeh its true, things have calmed down quite a bit, apart from the odd suspicious glance things are quite liveable... still p-ssed off that they bombed aldgate east, my friends shops there, if anything its disrupted buissness more than anything

 

[pede54]

Yeah adj137.....and Aldgate and that part of the East End have a very high Muslim population, so that just shows how indiscriminate these ppl are.Blowing up the ppl you claim to represent is just stupid to say the least...........

 

[FFC2004]

doesn't the edgeware road area have a high muslim population too?

 

[Vazza]

Yeah, nearly all of local businesses there are owned by muslims, which shows you how indiscriminate these bombings were

 

[zul-aid]

Well my sister was on a tube train that morning got to Euston Station before being told to leave the train because of a power surge - which in hindsight was a good idea by London Underground staff - no panic just a normal day in London, however she is working for RADA in Gower street and found out what happened when she walked past that bus.

Now I know what Shinji was implying in the first two pages, when Sept 11th happen I was on here like many and said this was coming - America was a target (whether rightfully or wrongfully - as the most powerful nation in the world your a target and with its history in world affairs it was a matter of time). Bali second cab off the rank so to speek if your australian you would know of the hatred many have towards Australians and other western countries - im certainly not calling Indonesians racist, some of the things previous Australian governments and others around the world have done to your country it wasnt surprising when it happened. Madrid and Beslan where more inhouse - ETA in Spain and Groznyians in Southern Russia (i cant spell i know) have been fighting with their main heads of government for many many years and found sympathizers with the devil.

Now to London, well what can i say - was this attack justified? no, was any previous attack justified? no. I can give reasons - I mean look above the previous statements - G8, Olympics 2012. But what i think is now happening is this is becoming a more of a way to become famous "In a very sick way" now we will forever remember Mohammed Atta for the rest of our days. London is one of the more highly populated muslim communities in Europe. I know three muslims and they are friendly and hospitable people their religion is no different from our own and if you walked one day in their shoes you would know they are also victims in this, and the attacks in nothern London is in the heart of the community. I wouldnt be surprised if the people who did this end up being 18-24 years old. I mean your in a predominately white country most of which hates you for what other people in your race have done in the rest of the world (its not as if us whites can be rightous either - we have done so many terrible things in the past to numerous to mention). You get one morning had enough your mates plan revenge - you meet by chance someone high up willing to help you and then everyone knows the rest.

I had many hours waiting to know what happened to my sister - 6 in total. And when she rang i was over the moon with joy. You never wish this on anyone.

My thoughts are this. The New York attacks proved to be very "successful" for the Al Qeada cause, but how effective will the London attack be? unprovoked were all the attacks it would seam this attack was done by amauters if you compare it to NY and Madrid, this attack could be more compared to Bali which, when looked at didnt have all the hallmarks of a co-ordinated attack. I think the Muslim world will turn on the terrorists, yes I have read some of the comments done by some youths on a islamic website claiming victory - but the more and more these attacks go on - more and more these groups have lesser and lesser allies to help them attack, because more of their allies will ask - what does this prove? - that they are heartless murderers? does this help their cause for a better life? no, or make already their downtroaden lives worse? yes.

 

[Stotty]

5 houses in leeds, west yorkshire, about 20 minutes from me, have been raided in connection with the bombings.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4674463.stm

 

[Yossarian]

I'm glad I made a promise to myself early on in life to never bring any children into this world, man.


The first five years of this century (starting with the Y2K sham) have just been absolutely horrible and rife with devastation, man, and it looks like it's only gonna get worse and worse.

 

[FFC2004]

there has always been war.. it'll probably never end... being scared of it does no good

 

[Jannes]

Haha.