Manchester United F.C Thread [2009/2010]

[AsmodaiPlay]

Fergie uses these comments to deflect attention away from analysis of United's performance. I agree that sometimes a lot of the hatred directed United's way is down to him.

We played really well last night, Nani was excellent - but once Bayern got the man advantage their attitude changed and they became more dangerous. I do however feel that this close season, a lot of questions need to be addressed, because without Rooney it appears we have no thrust or creativity.

As for transfer targets, I again would suggest Benzema, Suarez or someone like that. Also I really hope we can get Joe Cole on a free.

You can say "poor refereeing", "fluke goals", "injuries" anything you like, but simply in the cold light of day, United are not good enough.

Yeah, you're right, I just get a bit fed up with it.

Got mixed feelings over this Mexican lad signing. He seems good for his age, he's already got some senior caps for his country and has a good scoring record in the Mexican league. The only danger is how quickly he will adjust. I think we should loan out Macheda or Welbeck when he arrives and still sign another experienced striker. Berbatov I don't rate I'm afraid and Owen is injury prone. That still only leaves Rooney, this unknown quantity Hernandez and Diouf. If he hits the ground running then it'll be enough but I think we need provision in case he doesn't.

Do some of you reckon he's being used for marketing purposes then? If he is then I hope he can play better than Dong lol. In fairness to him he was very useful for marketing in Asia.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Do some of you reckon he's being used for marketing purposes then? If he is then I hope he can play better than Dong lol. In fairness to him he was very useful for marketing in Asia.

Yes. Guys like this don't just suddenly get bought by Manchester United to play. I wish him the best, but it wouldn't surprise me if this was to sell some jerseys and crack the market of a massive soccer crazed nation. In all honesty, who was the last United player to get plucked out of obscurity and start playing right away? I can't think of a single player who didn't at least spend a few years in the academy and with the reserves. The quality of your team is too high, even now, to tolerate this kid anywhere near the first team.

Of course I'm just making an assumption, maybe he's the next Ronaldo.

 

[adedawson]

Yes. Guys like this don't just suddenly get bought by Manchester United to play. I wish him the best, but it wouldn't surprise me if this was to sell some jerseys and crack the market of a massive soccer crazed nation. In all honesty, who was the last United player to get plucked out of obscurity and start playing right away? I can't think of a single player who didn't at least spend a few years in the academy and with the reserves. The quality of your team is too high, even now, to tolerate this kid anywhere near the first team.

Of course I'm just making an assumption, maybe he's the next Ronaldo.

Its a strong possibility especially as pointed out this is a crazed 111 million footballing nation. There again he is playing for country and doing well in his own league.

I guess we will see pre season how he does. Were bound to have some big team friendlies lined up like last year.

In spite saying that all these players like dong, were not just about marketing. They have all shown some signs of skills to be given a punt. Look at the american lad Freddy Adu was it? gave him a trial and didn't meet the mark. They got to have some skill. Actually I take that back maybe it was just about marketing with Dong, he only scored goals when playing in B divisions. Manucho did brilliantly for country so was worth a gamble. Diouf has scored the odd goal, and lots for reserves before he got injured.

Chicharito, I guess its a gamble with marketing rewards if he fails, win win situation. The proof will be in the pudding pre season. See how he does vs some bigger names.

 

[Help?]

Who cares what his name means? Chicarito doesn't sound bad at all. Why would he take heart at somebody mocking him? He signed for United, others didn't.

 

[Pogba4Now]

Honestly its just a name, who gives a ****. We have Nani who's name can be mocked up even more (Add pu- at the beginning). I think Chicharito sounds cool. Very mexican.

 

[MaestroZidane]

Just though I point out that only one person here is complaining about his name, whereas the rest of you are o'k with it.. That pretty much tells you something.

 

[MikeyM]

I saw the MUTV interview with David Gill about this kid, he's hinted United are working on more deals for the summer.

The Guardian newspaper has claimed United have been offered David Villa for
£40M, but it was turned down from the Glazers.

I'm sure that's crap, because if the Glazers started doing stuff like that Fergie'd be off right away. More likely United think £40m for a 28 year old is too much, and they'll knock Valencia down to a more realistic price.

Also in the frame is Benzema (again) and today's new name is James Milner.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

More likely United think £40m for a 28 year old is too much

It's WAAAAY too much. Especially for a smaller striker who's never played in England. If he was more physically imposing... maybe, although it's still too much for a 28 year old.

 

[jimorrizon]

Chicharito is not his name just his nickname "Little Pea". if you want to just call him Javier Hernandez....

 

[Pogba4Now]

Chicharito is not his name just his nickname "Little Pea". if you want to just call him Javier Hernandez....

We know its his nickname... His father was named "Chicharo" which means "the pea". Thats why he's called the little pea. Btw since you are Mexican, can you tell us more about him? You must've seen him play a lot I guess.

 

[jimorrizon]

I'm actually Mexican American. well to me he is like a Cuahtemoc Blanco but as a striker because he is always thinking before the ball gets to him and knows how to look for open spaces for through passes. very good heading and jumping ability, can shoot with both both feet, good speed, knows how to create plays where there is none and a team player who will sacrifice himself or pass it to a team mate with a better chance of scoring.

to me he is a more complete player than Carlos Vela (arsenal) because Chicharito has all the skills that vela lacks.

 

[cfdemarco]

So apparently we had a chance to get Villa for 40 million and SAF balked.

SAF is now my enemy.

I hope Villa scores 8 goals at the WC and then Chelsea sign him for 50 million and he leads the Premiership in scoring next year and does us in with a hat trick in both games just to show SAF what a dumb**** he is.

 

[Daz]

Give us a valid, reliable link proving that ever took place. It's just rumours.

 

[Mandieta6]

Yes, I'd be pissed too if my manager didn't sign a 28-year-old striker whose unproven in the Premiership for 40m from a team that is strapped for cash, especially when all he's done for the club is win these titles:

* Premier League (11): 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
* FA Cup (5): 1989–90, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
* League Cup (4): 1991–92, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10
* FA Charity/Community Shield (8): 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008 (* shared)
* UEFA Champions League (2): 1998–99, 2007–08
* UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1990–91
* UEFA Super Cup (1): 1991
* Intercontinental Cup (1): 1999
* FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

Sack! Sack! Sack!

 

[cfdemarco]

Yes, I'd be pissed too if my manager didn't sign a 28-year-old striker whose unproven in the Premiership for 40m from a team that is strapped for cash, especially when all he's done for the club is win these titles:

* Premier League (11): 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
* FA Cup (5): 1989–90, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
* League Cup (4): 1991–92, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10
* FA Charity/Community Shield (8): 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008 (* shared)
* UEFA Champions League (2): 1998–99, 2007–08
* UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1990–91
* UEFA Super Cup (1): 1991
* Intercontinental Cup (1): 1999
* FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008

Sack! Sack! Sack!

I'd hate to break it to you, but SAF didn't win those trophies, the players did.

For half that ****, I could have coached the team and they still would have won.

Do not make the mistake of giving coaches more credit than they deserve, it is the players that win and lose games.

 

[Pogba4Now]

I'd hate to break it to you, but SAF didn't win those trophies, the players did.

For half that ****, I could have coached the team and they still would have won.

Do not make the mistake of giving coaches more credit than they deserve, it is the players that win and lose games.

Dude, thats real life, not FM. What SAF has done with United, NO ONE has ever done with any team.

 

[ArgVega]

Dude, thats real life, not FM. What SAF has done with United, NO ONE has ever done with any team.

+1

His achievements are massive, to last for so long in the hot seat of a top team in the world is incredible. It would be hard to find another coach in any other sport who has done this

 

[Xifio]

Sack! Sack! Sack!

2 Champions League wins in how many years? he would have been sacked at most other clubs on a number of occasions ... people may say that Real Madrid and now Chelsea and the like have fantasy money, which makes managing those teams easy ... well, you can buy the big stars you want at those clubs, but you need to make them all gel instantaneously (and not over a period of even 4-5 years); because if you don't win the Champions League every 2-3 years, you are gone ... Ferguson's rate of league titles (number of trophies per seasons managed at the club) is matched by quite a few around Europe ...

one example of that is Lippi at Juve (look up his stats, and compare the rates) ... plus, I'm sure many Prem fans will be ignorant of the fact that Lippi was knighted a Commander in Italy, the same as Ferguson in Britain ... just because you don't hear people mentioning Lippi's honorific like they do with Ferguson every time, doesn't mean Lippi's knighthood doesn't exist ... the praise around Ferguson is more hype than substance to me ... I mean, Ferguson got knighted after winning the treble; Pep achieved that in his debut season, and then went on to win more within the year! Lippi has won it all at club level (including twice as many final appearances in the Champions League in half the time at Juve), AND he delivered the big prize at international level ...

Ferguson is a club legend, and is responsible for making the modern Man Yoo what it is, I agree ... he is one of the great football managers, and is definitely an immortal club legend ... but that's as much praise as he should get from anyone being objective about football managers at the top level ...

just something to think about, I guess ...

 

[Deisler]

People also need to realize that he has been there since 86. That's an awful long time to be at the helms of one of the best teams in England.

 

[adedawson]

2 Champions League wins in how many years? he would have been sacked at most other clubs on a number of occasions ... people may say that Real Madrid and now Chelsea and the like have fantasy money, which makes managing those teams easy ... well, you can buy the big stars you want at those clubs, but you need to make them all gel instantaneously (and not over a period of even 4-5 years); because if you don't win the Champions League every 2-3 years, you are gone ... Ferguson's rate of league titles (number of trophies per seasons managed at the club) is matched by quite a few around Europe ...

one example of that is Lippi at Juve (look up his stats, and compare the rates) ... plus, I'm sure many Prem fans will be ignorant of the fact that Lippi was knighted a Commander in Italy, the same as Ferguson in Britain ... just because you don't hear people mentioning Lippi's honorific like they do with Ferguson every time, doesn't mean Lippi's knighthood doesn't exist ... the praise around Ferguson is more hype than substance to me ... I mean, Ferguson got knighted after winning the treble; Pep achieved that in his debut season, and then went on to win more within the year! Lippi has won it all at club level (including twice as many final appearances in the Champions League in half the time at Juve), AND he delivered the big prize at international level ...

Ferguson is a club legend, and is responsible for making the modern Man Yoo what it is, I agree ... he is one of the great football managers, and is definitely an immortal club legend ... but that's as much praise as he should get from anyone being objective about football managers at the top level ...

just something to think about, I guess ...

People also need to realize that he has been there since 86. That's an awful long time to be at the helms of one of the best teams in England.

You guys forget when SAF first joined we were winning nothing, It was all liverpool and other clubs. We were finishing in 11th place. He had to build the team. It took him till the 90's before things started to take shape and that's was just the FA cup.

I should also add English clubs were banned from Europe for over half a decade. That's a long long time to not be playing in Europe. SAF had to learn how to play there not to mention the fact that we hadn't even conquered the English league, more building to be done.

93, we won their first league title since 1967! You under estimate how much SAF had to do. This aint like Pep Guardiola getting handed a team full of super stars lol

In the 90's we were still in shock and absolutely thrilled that we were still beating Liverpool and co to the titles in the most part. You cant go conquering Europe when you cant even do your own leagues.

I'm just going to stop. Go buy a book about Manchester United. What insulting comments to make.