Manchester United F.C Thread [2010/2011]

[Help?]

Owen is still not back from injury yet and I'm guessing Berbatov is being rested for City.

Wolves deserved something from the game probably, but the last 25 minutes was all United. Great to see Park score, but we really shouldn't have given up a goal like that again. Haven't seen anybody make as many bad crosses as Bebe did in a while. He needs to learn some serious composure with the ball. Its like every single cross was actually a shot on net.

 

[Pogba4Now]

Very disappointing game. Zero creativity, poor delivery from the flanks. How were we gonna win with a lineup like that? I am very happy we managed to salvage the 3 points in the end thanks to some Ji Sung genius. It was a poor game overall except for Park and maybe Fletcher.

And don't get me started on Bebe! What a joke of a game for him. He is incredibly skilled but he is too wild. Very poor understanding of tactics and team-play. He thinks he can score from crosses every game? His contribution today was 0. He made a great contribution for Wolves. Not for us. He has the talent though, but right now he's clearly not ready and needs to spend some time in the reserves.

 

[mnj2x]

We looked much better when we switched to 4-4-2. That last 10 15 mins we battered wolves and pinned them back. Park with a fantastic solo goal. It was very much needed. Pleased for him. Before we slate the team, i think its important note the number of first team players that were missing.

Also, Bebe i thought apart from his crossing did alright. He will learn. I am not worried about that. I am not gonna judge him this season. The lad needs time. Its a big step up for him.

 

[Pogba4Now]

Yeah true. Thats far from our starting lineup. I didn't realise how many first team players were missing to injury. Giggs, Nani, Valencia, Owen, Rooney, Anderson etc... Nani and Anderson should be back for the City game. Giggs is doubtful.

 

[Pogba4Now]

Also, Bebe i thought apart from his crossing did alright. He will learn. I am not worried about that. I am not gonna judge him this season. The lad needs time. Its a big step up for him.

I too think so. But crossing is a fundamental part of being a good winger. I'd say its the the MOST important aspect of a winger. Whats the point of being lightning fast but having no end product? I think Bebe and Obertan are very similar in that way. They have pace, power and dribbling skills but the end product missing. Their crossing is very disappointing. Obertan is improving in his crosses though. They are both young and will learn.

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Park is without a doubt one of the most valuable players in the world. It is AMAZING to me that some very intelligent football people and many of United's own fans don't realize it. He's not going to be Zidane with the football (although his technique is definitely underrated), but he does SO ******* much; he plays his best in the big games and moments, runs forever, and is one of the few modern players you could theoretically play in any position and not be too worried (except for CB and GK).

Now that you guys have seen a bit of Bebe, what do you think? Surely he must be pretty good if he's playing this much; SAF doesn't mind giving reserve players a few games, but at the same time he doesn't do it unless the time is earned. I need a scouting report.

 

[ladylover]

Park is without a doubt one of the most valuable players in the world. It is AMAZING to me that some very intelligent football people and many of United's own fans don't realize it. He's not going to be Zidane with the football (although his technique is definitely underrated), but he does SO ******* much; he plays his best in the big games and moments, runs forever, and is one of the few modern players you could theoretically play in any position and not be too worried (except for CB and GK).

Now that you guys have seen a bit of Bebe, what do you think? Surely he must be pretty good if he's playing this much; SAF doesn't mind giving reserve players a few games, but at the same time he doesn't do it unless the time is earned. I need a scouting report.

You are right about Park, his ability to find space was the main reason why SAF bought him years ago, he showed that on his first goal, fantastic ball from Fletcher as well..... Bebe is doing well considering where he came from, a bit similar to Smalling in terms of football experience on a high level. I feel sorry for Hargreaves, but as expected his body needs to get used to the game, hope that his hamstring injury isn't too serious, he certainly looked up for it and did not seem to hold back in that very short spell....

Our play in general today was very bad, Wolves actually were the better side and they deserved something...... but we also are missing a lot of first team players. Quite encouraging that for the last 20 min or so we showed our true colors when needed.....

 

[Xifio]

Park is without a doubt one of the most valuable players in the world. It is AMAZING to me that some very intelligent football people and many of United's own fans don't realize it. He's not going to be Zidane with the football (although his technique is definitely underrated), but he does SO ******* much; he plays his best in the big games and moments, runs forever, and is one of the few modern players you could theoretically play in any position and not be too worried (except for CB and GK).

getting a bit carried away aren't we? I know 3 points is 3 points, but talking about "big games and moments" after a winner against Wolves is a bit much surely ...

but, in a way, your point makes sense: for the big teams, having a quality utility player in the squad, who doesn't moan when he's on the bench and who does his job and more when called upon, is just as crucial as having a super-talented superstar ... in that light, Park is certainly amongst the candidates for most valuable squad player ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

Maybe I'll have more of an authority say it.

“Park has started very well. I think he has made his name at Eindhoven first and in the Champions League has convinced. When you play against him, he’s a very hard working player who sacrifices for the team but as well has good skill and scores important goals, unfortunately, against us.

“I’m convinced by his quality. He has a top level attitude.”

Park had 4 goals last year. 3 of them were: Winner at the Emirates, Winner against Liverpool, CL against Milan.

He was taken off @Allianz in the 70th minute. Bayern got goals in the 76th and 90th minutes, goals that decided the tie. And I might add that Olic took the ball off Evra on the side where Park was playing for the winner.

He was taken off vs. Chelsea in the game that may have decided the title in the 72nd minute. Drogba got the eventual winner in the 79th minute.

 

[Xifio]

this season, he came on for Evra against Everton in the 81st, the score reading 1-3 for Man Yoo ... the game finished 3-3 ...

last season, he came off for Nani at the break against Chelsea at the Bridge; Nani grabbed a late assist to secure the points ...

and there were several games where he was taken off and they still went on to win comfortably ...

we can keep reading such stats in different ways, or reworking stats to fit certain theories, but it is pointless ...

I already agreed that he is amongst the best versatile squad players ... he's not going to win big things for big teams "on his own" (in attack or in defence); his value is playing wherever his side needs him to fill in in an emergency or to rest a regular starter, or start a match when he could be assigned a specific task -- usually constantly tracking a particular threat to neutralize it ... but I've seen even Khalid Boulahrouz do the latter amazingly well against Ronaldinho at his peak ... point is, Park can do that and the rest of utility stuff too (including scoring gamewinners -- 3 points is 3 points) ... that makes him invaluable in a certain way ... I think that concurs with what you've quoted Wenger as saying ...

 

[ShiftyPowers]

The Nani assist doesn't mean anything; obviously sometimes you want something new tactically (and Nani is a TOP TOP TOP player).

He's more than what you're describing him as. He was the best player as South Korea went to the World Cup Semis. He was an integral part of the PSV team that went to the CL Semis. SAF seems to start him in situations where you wouldn't merely rest your first XI; many of Park's starts are in games against the top 4 and in Europe. He'll get Carling Cup games or Wolves games to stay fresh through out the season, but he plays a lot of games that you wouldn't just insert a guy to give a better player a rest.

 

[Xifio]

He was the best player as South Korea went to the World Cup Semis.

he definitely impressed, along with Lee Eul Yong, Chong Song Guk, Seol Ki Hyeon, Lee Chun Soo, Hong Myung Bo, and Ahn Jung-Hwan ... being several years younger than the others who impressed, he had enough time to cash in on his breakthrough performance the most ... however, it must be noted that, in the knockout stages, Korea's best assets were Byron Moreno and Gamal Al-Ghandour ...

He was an integral part of the PSV team that went to the CL Semis.

you underestimate Hiddink's role ... Park was very good that season, Cocu was crucial, and Van Bommel's performances in Europe earned him his Barcelona move that year ... DeMarcus Beasley did his bit too for PSV in the Champions League ...

SAF seems to start him in situations where you wouldn't merely rest your first XI; many of Park's starts are in games against the top 4 and in Europe.

but somehow the 2008 Champions League final wasn't one of those occasions (not even the bench) ...

He'll get Carling Cup games or Wolves games to stay fresh through out the season, but he plays a lot of games that you wouldn't just insert a guy to give a better player a rest.

sure, he brings a LOT more quality to the table than a John O'Shea-type versatile player, and you can assign him specific attacking or defensive roles (as previously discussed) ... he's not going to be your go-to guy if you need to start or bring on someone to produce something from nothing, but he adds his own quality to the side, within the limitations of his specific duties on each occasion ...


what I'm trying to say is: when one talks about the most valuable players, one talks about players who coaches build their entire team around ... when one talks about most valuable squad players, Park is in contention ...

 

[mnj2x]

So Pool vs Chelsea... any united fan hoping for a pool win must be disillusioned.
Gerrard will do everything in his power to ensure that chelsea come away with all 3 points.

 

[Filipower]

Cheers for the inside info

 

[ladylover]

Wow, we turned out to be the biggest winners of this weekend!

 

[1966+2006]

Priceless points for Liverpool in the fight against relegation

 

[cfdemarco]

This turned out to be a pretty good weekend for us. We steal all 3 points and both Chelsea and Arsenal lose.

Huge game vs. City now, we need to win at all costs.

 

[Recrero152]

Yep, very good week for United. Only two points from Chelsea and as said, the City match is important. Above all, United must not lose.

Btw, rumor's going out that Real Madrid are targeting Hernandez, lol

 

[night]

Btw, rumor's going out that Real Madrid are targeting Hernandez, lol

Here we go again..

 

[Pogba4Now]

These are bull**** rumours because Mourinho will be the next United manager and won't get Chichi from his future club